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List Members,

The site below has an Etidorhpa Table of Contents; I'm going to compare it
with the one which Tuscan has just sent.

Dharma/Dean

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From: G.S. Usher <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:19 PM
Subject: Etidohrpa

Dean,

Kessinger Publishing http://city.mit.edu/Masonry/Misc/bookcat.html has the
"expanded and enlarged" version of Etidohrpa. I don't know that this is
what you are looking for.

Stuart

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List Members,

Remember that gravity, according to Joseph H. Cater, consists of a low
frequency, negative charge within the Earth's crust. By absorbing negative
charges in the Van Allen belt, the containers exhibited a bit of " repulsion
", i.e., antigravity effects, as a woman's hair does when it absorbs a
certain quantity of negative electrons from a hair dryer. Here is an
appropriate paragraph or two from The Ultimate Reality:

" Missle Loss in Space Explained

The physics of levitation was demonstrated in part when missles were found
to have lost most of their original weight after traveling through the Van
Allen Radiation Belt and returning to Earth. The mystery deepened when this
weight loss continued for some time, and containers in which pieces of the
missle were placed also lost weight. This event was hushed up in keeping
with standard policy concerning things which are damaging to orthodox
concepts. The radiations belts contain high concentrations of negative
charges of all kinds, from hard electrons to the very soft ones.

The missle became impregnated with negative charges as it passed through
this region. Since they are of varying types, it was able to absorb an
abnormal quantity. The more penetrating softer particles opened the door for
the harder particles to enter. A similar principle is involved in the
operation of a transformer .... Because the missle continued to lose weight,
and was evidently losing particles which originally caused it to lose
weight, a paradox arises. The loss of weight of the container, in which
pieces of the missle were placed, which would mean that the pieces were
discharging some of the negative charges they had picked up in the radiation
belt, and were then absorbed by the container."

By the way, our poll on gravity is still open. The question can be viewed
under the caption poll subject and a response selected at this address:
http://www.egroups.com/polls/allplanets-hollow

Dharma/Dean

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                        Letter From Joseph Cater.

From: "John F. Winston"
Subject: IUFO: Letter From Joseph Cater.
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:16:46 -0800

-> IUFO Mailing List

Subject: First Letter From Joseph Cater. Dec. 12, 2000.

I have mentioned before that I have a friend called Joseph Cater.
His has many past lives that he has explained to me. I've asked
him a lot of questions about them and here is his letter back to
me.

.....................................................................
.....................................................................

Dear John:
I found out a long time ago I had a double. He has my name and looks
exactly like me. He also has supernormal powers and knows every move
I make. I first learned of his existence about 55 years ago when I was
living in Los Angeles. Some one I never saw before accosting me on
the street and greeted me like a long lost brother. It seemed I had
been his roommate for about two years. He started meminiscing. Later
friends and acquaintances related seeing me do things in places when in
reality I was someplace else. I am certain he is another embodiment
of me. I once got into his mind. It was a weird experience. Imagine
having two memories occurring simultaneously and each one as real
as the other. This pattern continued after I move to Portland. He
tends to associate with my friends and associates when I am somewhere
else.
Most of the experiences you speak of was with my double or my other
self. However I am the real scientist of the two and the one who
wrote the books and I am the one who has taken all the flak from the
forces of ev-l. He has powers such as the ability to teleport that I
don't have but my powers are far more extensive. However, they can
only be used against forces that are a threat to me or the planet.
My targets have always been picked out for me in subtle ways. For
example, in 1990 I learned that the US go-t. had been in collusion
with e-il aliens since Eisenhower was president. They were known
as the Grays and Reptoids. They had underground installations
and cities all over the planet (mostly in the US). In fact 85 of
them.
Over the decades the g-vt. (controlled by the power el-te) had
invested trillions of dollars in these installations. Most of this
came from dr-g money. The US go-t. is the biggest d-up dealer on
the planet. The vast majority of UFO sightings during this period
were UFOs coming in and out of these installations.
After I learned this I realized all of them had to be destroyed at
the same time. I visualized countless disintegrating rays converging
on all 85 of them and causing a mass cave in of each one. It was
only the lower level where all of them went and their cities and
equipment that were wiped out. Thus no evidence of the cave ins on
the surface. This was Dec. 1998. After this, UFO sightings almost
came to a halt for many years. There happened to be one of them about
50 miles S.E. from Portland in a mountainous area at about 5,000 ft.
elevation. Right after this there were reports of unexplained rock
slides in that area. I and a friend found that most of these rocks
had to have been airborne to have landed where they did. This
occurred for a radius of 5 miles from the center. We found evidence
of land sides and roots of trees exposed. At the center a tree and
its root system weighing several tons had been dumped on the road,
and about one quarter mile of the road had been taken out. Imagine
about one half cubic mile of rock falling hundreds of feet. Anyone
in the area would have been ki-led from the shock. There is much
more to the story than this. An entire book could be written about
it. This is an example of the powers I can muster when it becomes
necessary.
On another occasion I had to pass a test to prove my identity in
order for certain action to be taken in my behalf. I was given a
long piece of thread in which knots had been tied. As you know it
is an impossibility to take out even one overhand knot put in a
thread. (JW I'm probably not getting all of the context of this
explanation, so I'll check with Joseph again on this explanation.)
I was then told to put more knots in the thread. The ends of the
thread were pulled tightly after each knot. I put another dozen
in the thread. Then, I was told to take out all the knots. I
accomplished it in less that two minutes! I could no more do it
now than I could fly to the moon.

It was my double who did in the bad guys for the praying group. (JW
This was the case Joseph told me about where he found a group praying
about some international ba-kers and other people were going to take
control of certain things. He told them he would take care of it. He
obtain an army of elementals and had them ki-l over 100 of these
people. It showed up in the newspapers about these people being
k-lled. He went back to the group and told them what he had done.
They were horrified that he had done such a thing and requests
that he never come back. I once told Joseph that there seemed to be
something that was keeping me from accomplishing something that I was
trying to do. I will now start to called Joseph by the name of Joe
which is what his close friends call him. Joe asked me if I would
like for him take knock out the power that was doing this. I then
told him, "Sure go ahead and do it.
That night while I was at work I was hit by a massive psychic
attach. My vision in my eyes whited out and I couldn't see. I sat
down on the floor for a while with a very bad headache. I later
explained this to my psychic advisor by the name of Evelyne. She
said, "You idiot, it was your higher self keeping you from doing
this. You asked him to knock out your own higher self. It's a wonder
it didn't kill you." From then on I was careful what I asked Joe to
do.)

As for the Salton Sea episode! One early afternoon I found myself
surrounded by about 40 UFOs of all sizes and shapes. They remove
themselves somewhat and were still there after I retired for the
night. Later I learned they were there to hold at bay other UFOs
that meant me harm.
That experience you had in the Milpitas church was my double. (JW
Joe and I were alone in a building and he asked me if I would like
for him to make it stop raining where we were and it was really
raining everywhere. He made it stop raining just in the area where
we were.)

As to some of my embodiments! I was three of the greatest
composers of all time, Bach, Handel and Beehoven. (JW Joe told me
that although he was these people, in this life he can't even carry a
tune.)
There is something about Maxwell historians are unaware of. Maxwell
died young because he was going to reveal things the world was not
ready to know. Much of this
is to be found in my books. (JW Joe was Maxwell in a previous life.
In this life he has a college degree in, I think, Physics. He works
with free energy, transformers and other things.)
I was also Aristotle. Historians have rendered him a grave
injustice. He was supposedly not versed in science and allegedly
made absurd remarks concerning falling bodies.
The Rosicrucian Order has documents to prove he was well over
2,000 years ahead of his time. He was a mathematician without
peer and his scientific achievements were staggering. They dwarfed
anything Leonardo did. He wrote about 1400 books most of which
have been lost. That was one of my best embodiments. Another one,
James Field, history is not aware of. He was a friend and classmate
of Newton. He was the brains of the duo. Newton was a great craftsman
and set up experiments for him. He taught Newton the Calculus.
He died during the plague that hit England during the time and Newton
inherited all of his writings and notes. It was from these that Newton
wrote the Principia (JW SP ?). Later a fire destroyed all of Field's
writings.
Newton had a nervous breakdown and his scientific work came to a
halt. This has puzzled historians.
I was the twin brother of Archimedes. This twin was the brains of
the duo. Archimedes was far more extrovertive and consequently got
the credit for the work his twin did. History has never mentioned
his twin. I was also Hermes.
I was also the mathematicain and physicist Leard Enler who some
regard as the greatest mathematician of all time. I doubt it. I
was also Hubla Khan who was about he only good ruler China ever had.
I have also had many many other embodiments history is unaware of.
They did a lot to shape history and have had achievements they never
got credit for as was the case with James Field.

My past lives have been revealed to me from various sources all of
which are in agreement and fit a pattern. The same is the case
with my real identity. I am an embodiment of the king of the
Elders, the oldest and most advanced race there is. They were the
first beings to emerge from the so called g-dhead and fully
developed. My cosmic name is El Daoud. Their job is to oversee the
development of humanity and embody on planets to serve as guides and
teachers. Without them there would not be much advancement.
Best Regards
Joe.

John Winston. [email protected]

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Dean,

I have recently bought and read The Awesome Life Force mainly due to my
interest in "anti-gravity" and Orgonian physics. Cater's soft particle
theory is interesting but is there one empirical test that can confirm any
of his claims? If his theories are actually correct then experiments to
prove them should not be so difficult. I'm suspect of anyone who can't
back up what they claim with some hard evidence. I have been tempted to
perform the "mirror" arrangement that supposedly produces a soft particle
beam but as one list member reported, his experiment didn't yield anything
tangible. Explaining it away as not an accurate test because the mirrors
were not concave is a stretch. I would like to believe this stuff as much
as any of you but simply believing isn't going to get us anywhere. I am
sure people discussed the properties of combustion years ago and speculated
about harnessing it and formulated theories about producing an engine.
Since the concept was sound and based in reality working models of internal
combustion engines were produced and that was that. If this soft particle
business is for real than the same thing should occur. There are enough
great minds out there to figure out how to get some tangible results if what
Cater says is correct, but since Cater is the theorsist here then why
doesn't he devise an experiment to prove his concepts? Furthermore, if this
soft particle business is a natural process and going on around us all the
time wouldn't anomolous gravitational effects be the norm instead of the
exception simply due to pure chance? If gravitational effects are due to a
frequency somewhere between the infrared and radar band why haven't
anomolous events occurred at radar bases (related to the equipment)and why
hasn't someone reported a TV remote ( infrared beam)controller jumping out
of their hands? As much random as most of the things in the natural world
are it seems to me the exact frequency of gravitational effects would have
somehow been generated here and there accidentally by our modern technology.
I don't ask anything more than I'd be willing to be asked of me and that is
that if you proclaim something, back it up with proof.

Sean

List Members,

Remember that gravity, according to Joseph H. Cater, consists of a low
frequency, negative charge within the Earth's crust. By absorbing negative
charges in the Van Allen belt, the containers exhibited a bit of "

repulsion

", i.e., antigravity effects, as a woman's hair does when it absorbs a
certain quantity of negative electrons from a hair dryer. Here is an
appropriate paragraph or two from The Ultimate Reality:

" Missle Loss in Space Explained

The physics of levitation was demonstrated in part when missles were found
to have lost most of their original weight after traveling through the Van
Allen Radiation Belt and returning to Earth. The mystery deepened when

this

weight loss continued for some time, and containers in which pieces of the
missle were placed also lost weight. This event was hushed up in keeping
with standard policy concerning things which are damaging to orthodox
concepts. The radiations belts contain high concentrations of negative
charges of all kinds, from hard electrons to the very soft ones.

The missle became impregnated with negative charges as it passed through
this region. Since they are of varying types, it was able to absorb an
abnormal quantity. The more penetrating softer particles opened the door

for

the harder particles to enter. A similar principle is involved in the
operation of a transformer .... Because the missle continued to lose

weight,

and was evidently losing particles which originally caused it to lose
weight, a paradox arises. The loss of weight of the container, in which
pieces of the missle were placed, which would mean that the pieces were
discharging some of the negative charges they had picked up in the

radiation

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:13 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Anti gravity effects

belt, and were then absorbed by the container."

By the way, our poll on gravity is still open. The question can be viewed
under the caption poll subject and a response selected at this address:
http://www.egroups.com/polls/allplanets-hollow

Dharma/Dean

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List Members,

" Could this be a major receiving area for supplies to an underground world
we can't see? " kksamurai

http://www.kksamurai.com/mars/werehere.html

Dharma/Dean

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Sean,

Good points. I'm so gald that we now have a few people able to objectively
look at Cater.

Dean,

I have recently bought and read The Awesome Life Force mainly due to my
interest in "anti-gravity" and Orgonian physics. Cater's soft particle
theory is interesting but is there one empirical test that can confirm any
of his claims? If his theories are actually correct then experiments to
prove them should not be so difficult. I'm suspect of anyone who can't
back up what they claim with some hard evidence.

Again, good point. But Cater did call upon the previous work of people such
as Willaim Reich, Baron Van Reichenbach and even that guy Land who invented
the camera in order to substantiate the existence of orgone, i.e. soft, low
frequency particles.

Speaking of the devil, I think that we need to go beyond Cater in this
regard. Don't get me wrong- Cater is original and unique because he applied
the existence of soft particles to physics correctly insofar as he
understood that soft, invisible particles are causing the electrostatic
gravity charge. Gravity as a charge, an electrostatic force, had been missed
by science in general because the nature and distribution of low frequency
particles were not understood.

Also, by dint of his understanding that sunlight undergoes a frequency
redistribution when it hits the Earth and that, " as such " and only as
such, can penetrate the whole shell of the Earth. This understanding allows
us to explain the existence and nature of an inner sun. There is plenty
more, but basically, he was the first guy to apply soft particles to a
geological model, and an HE geological model at that. He is practically an
unsung Galileo.

Only an eccentric would even look at things from such an angle, but the
problem is that he might be eccentric in other ways, what to speak of the
confusion that he sometimes exhibts on the phone due to his age. So I think
that we have to look at other people's work, too, in order to acquire
substantiation for the existence of soft particles. Once they are
substantiated, their application to the HE geo model isn't that hard.

And there are other people, by that I mean current investigators, who
research orgone. Of course, they only do so in relation to biological
applications and health care, but they can substantiate orgone. I'll give
you an example from an interview done with Michael Mannion, who wrote a book
on William Reich recently called Project Mindshift: " He created a device he
called the Orgone Energy Accumulator. He felt that like right now in the
room that you and I are speaking we're in an energy field and that by a
certain arrangement of materials, alternating layers of organic and metallic
materials -- you could create an artificially higher level of energy within
the enclosure than in the rest of the room. And you could measure this with
an electroscope, you could measure temperature differences with a
thermometer. I have now pictures taken with an infra red thermo-imaging
camera in 1996 in a state of the art physics lab that demonstrates the
existence of this energy." So you see, here is somebody new who has taken
things a step further. There is a whole group of orgone sites listed at:
www.orgone.org
And there is an orgonomy mailing list at:
http://www.orgone.org/orgonoml02.htm

One guy who is an active researcher is Dr. James De Meo. I have an article
of his about the existence of ether vis-a-vis the Michelson-Morely
experiment, on my site underneath the Ether article at the " ether " button.
It is called " Critical Review of the Shankland Analysis." Now get this- he
does not seem to be a fan of Cater's. He wrote me once saying that Cater's
idea of an orgone accumulator powering an automobile was a bit far-fetched,
or something to that effect. So there are other guys out there who seem to
be good, but they don't necessarily agree with Cater's inventions and
experiments. In other words, Cater could be wrong about some things. And if
we don't look around to develop our understanding about ether and soft
particles, we run the risk of becoming inbred.

I have been tempted to

perform the "mirror" arrangement that supposedly produces a soft particle
beam but as one list member reported, his experiment didn't yield anything
tangible. Explaining it away as not an accurate test because the mirrors
were not concave is a stretch.

Are you sure about this? Was that Jeff that was doing that experiment? If
so, Jeff- Did you continue to follow up?

I would like to believe this stuff as much

as any of you but simply believing isn't going to get us anywhere. I am
sure people discussed the properties of combustion years ago and

speculated

about harnessing it and formulated theories about producing an engine.
Since the concept was sound and based in reality working models of

internal

combustion engines were produced and that was that. If this soft particle
business is for real than the same thing should occur.

Again, more recently a whole new generation of work has been carried out. In
relation to the substantiation of soft particles, let's make contact with
some of the more modern groups. I am on the Orgonomy list, but I only glance
at stuff. I am a bit overwhelmed at the moment, and can only do so much.
Anything that anyone else finds out about orgone, evidence and the like, can
always be brought back to this list.

There are enough

great minds out there to figure out how to get some tangible results if

what

Cater says is correct, but since Cater is the theorsist here then why
doesn't he devise an experiment to prove his concepts? Furthermore, if

this

soft particle business is a natural process and going on around us all the
time wouldn't anomolous gravitational effects be the norm instead of the
exception simply due to pure chance? If gravitational effects are due to

a

frequency somewhere between the infrared and radar band why haven't
anomolous events occurred at radar bases

I think that these things have occurred. They say that the dcash at Roswell
was due to the fact that the saucer came into contact with radar all of the
sudden, that it had just been turned on, or something like that. Radar was
new at that time and maybe not anticipated by the occupants. Such a
radiation could have disturbed the saucer's antigravity system.

( related to the equipment ) and why

hasn't someone reported a TV remote ( infrared beam ) controller jumping

out

of their hands?

The radiation in this case wouldn't be strong enough and it is directed
outwards.

As much random as most of the things in the natural world

are it seems to me the exact frequency of gravitational effects would have
somehow been generated here and there accidentally by our modern

technology.

Cater did give several examples. I am surprised that you missed them. On
page 306 he mentioned a certain experiment which Baron Von Reichenbach
carried out which exhibited antigravitic side effects. He also mentioned the
way in which a lady's hair dryer will infuse her hair with electrons cause
floating, i.e., repulsion. He pointed out clouds as an example. Clouds are
an everyday thing, they are largest objects which we see in the sky, no
less. And they are close. He explained the nature of super fine spray and
why it wafts upward in a way which can't be accounted for by breezes and
such. This is also an everyday thing. When I went to Iguassu Falls in Brazil
a little while ago, I witnessed this phenomena in a very obvious way. It was
obvious from the aircraft that a great cloud of mist was working its way
very high up, which almost seemed to be suspended in air, in a way which
wasn't related to the direct impact of the falling water. This cloud of
super-fine mist reached a height of several thousand feet and just hung
there. On the ground, it was visible from miles away. At the falls, the mist
hung there in mid air, too, and exhibited horizontal movement due to some
breeze. It its suspension in mid air were due to the trajectory caused by
the force of impact, then it would have followed through and fallen at some
point and certainly would not have floated away horizontally, what to speak
of slowly ascending to such heights.

I don't ask anything more than I'd be willing to be asked of me and that

is

that if you proclaim something, back it up with proof.

So you can see that there is proof, in relation to everyday things, right in
front of our eyes.

I think that one problem that we have in accepting all this is
psychological. These understandings shake our very belief systems and offend
our egos violently. In the beginning, I accepted these concepts on the
conceptual platform and just ran away with them. I noticed a weird causeless
unwillingness though, on an emotional level. There were moments when I
simply rebelled. A few times my intellect wasn't able to pull in the reins
until a few days later because, after all, the arguments were there, staring
me in the face.

So think about it from that platform. If you have read the whole book, then
you could have answered your own questions exactly as I have. Some of the
answers were obvious and straight from the book, yet you didn't consider
them- why? The other orgone sites have been mentioned several times and thee
are links below the ether article on my site. Still, you didn't seem to
delve into them to see what you would be confronted with.

Is your mind doing with your intellect like the rabbit does with the hunter-
it closes its eyes and says " he is not there." Your mind has to allow your
intellect to contemplate objectively. I really think that there is an
emotional aspect to scientific methodology which isn't taken into
consideration, and that nobody is immune from it.

Anyway, as I said before, I am glad to get some feedback about Cater. Until
Jeff started chirping up with his impressions, it had been a one-sided
presentation. You are more than welcome to take the role of the loyal
opposition and Devil's advocate if you like. It could only be beneficial.
Late,

Dharma/Dean

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Sean Kinkade wrote:

From: "Dean" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:13 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Anti gravity effects

Dean,

I have recently bought and read The Awesome Life Force mainly due to my
interest in "anti-gravity" and Orgonian physics. Cater's soft particle
theory is interesting but is there one empirical test that can confirm any
of his claims? If his theories are actually correct then experiments to
prove them should not be so difficult. I'm suspect of anyone who can't
back up what they claim with some hard evidence. I have been tempted to
perform the "mirror" arrangement that supposedly produces a soft particle
beam but as one list member reported, his experiment didn't yield anything
tangible. Explaining it away as not an accurate test because the mirrors
were not concave is a stretch.

One trap I notice many scientists falling into is to hear or read a few
things that an author writes that they consider to be "wrong" or misinformed
information and to then discount everything else they have to say. I think
we each have to be careful not to fall into this trap.
For example, some/many crop circle formations have been shown to be hoaxed.
One might assume that all might be hoaxed but assumptions time and time again
have shown to often be incredibly wrong.

The failed mirror test that I performed didn't surprise me. The instructions
clearly state that you have to use metal mirrors which I didn't strictly do.
I used first-surface metal coated mirrors that were coated (as most are) with
a fine protective layer. This protective layer, pure metal/metal-coated glass
decision, mirror size, surface accuracy, mirror spacing, and possibly concave/flat
surface all are factors that could affect the results. I was disappointed that
the experiment failed but I didn't really learn anything other than the exact
combination that I tried did not work. It wouldn't be fair to discount the
experiment without trying other combinations. Possibly all of the different
combinations to be totally fair.
It would be an arrogant assumption for me to assume after a few failed
experiments that this experiment, in general, is bogus.

exception simply due to pure chance? If gravitational effects are due to a
frequency somewhere between the infrared and radar band why haven't
anomolous events occurred at radar bases (related to the equipment)and why
hasn't someone reported a TV remote ( infrared beam)controller jumping out
of their hands? As much random as most of the things in the natural world
are it seems to me the exact frequency of gravitational effects would have
somehow been generated here and there accidentally by our modern technology.
I don't ask anything more than I'd be willing to be asked of me and that is
that if you proclaim something, back it up with proof.

Normally I would agree with the statement made by some scientists that
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". When making non-powerful
discoveries that is... Discoveries such as some that are claimed in Cater's
books are really too ahead of their time IF they are true. (You really need
to get The Ultimate Reality to understand what I'm talking about here.
The Awesome Lifeforce doesn't really report a lot of the more amazing things
I think.)
I can easily understand someone going silent if they are able to suck all
of the soft electrons out of an area and cause temporary invisibility by using
only a small hand held device. Is our society ready for such a device? I don't
think so at the present given the current state of average general greed and
chances for abuse.

From reading Cater's material, it seems that gravitational inducing frequencies
are in the 1000 Gigahertz range. The problem is, how do you make an oscillator
for that frequency? I'm sure it's probably possible it's just that I have
no idea how you would go about doing it. Transistors only go up to about 10-20
gigahertz and Infrared LEDs in remote controls are in the ~1,000,000 Gigahertz
range. Cater mentions you can generate ~1000 Gigahertz using "mechanical means"
but I just can't visualize how you'd do that at the moment.

Jeff

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One trap I notice many scientists falling into is to hear or read a few
things that an author writes that they consider to be "wrong" or

misinformed

information and to then discount everything else they have to say. I think
we each have to be careful not to fall into this trap.
For example, some/many crop circle formations have been shown to be

hoaxed.

One might assume that all might be hoaxed but assumptions time and time

again

have shown to often be incredibly wrong.

Jeff,

It is not only scientists that do that, it happens across the board. For
example, the people who tell you that the world is controlled by a banking
elite and that the central bank is owned by Europeans and the British crown
also say all kinds of extreme things about militia and revolution, but there
is a lot of truth to their other assertions.

The failed mirror test that I performed didn't surprise me. The

instructions

clearly state that you have to use metal mirrors which I didn't strictly

do.

And four foot in diamete, too.

I used first-surface metal coated mirrors that were coated (as most are)

with

a fine protective layer. This protective layer, pure metal/metal-coated

glass

decision, mirror size, surface accuracy, mirror spacing, and possibly

concave/flat

surface all are factors that could affect the results. I was disappointed

that

the experiment failed but I didn't really learn anything other than the

exact

combination that I tried did not work. It wouldn't be fair to discount the
experiment without trying other combinations. Possibly all of the

different

combinations to be totally fair.
It would be an arrogant assumption for me to assume after a few failed
experiments that this experiment, in general, is bogus.

Normally I would agree with the statement made by some scientists that
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". When making

non-powerful

discoveries that is... Discoveries such as some that are claimed in

Cater's

books are really too ahead of their time IF they are true. (You really

need

to get The Ultimate Reality to understand what I'm talking about here.
The Awesome Lifeforce doesn't really report a lot of the more amazing

things

I think.)
I can easily understand someone going silent if they are able to suck all
of the soft electrons out of an area and cause temporary invisibility by

using

only a small hand held device. Is our society ready for such a device? I

don't

think so at the present given the current state of average general greed

and

chances for abuse.

This is the point at which I balk all across the board. I don't think that
any significant segment of society is ready for the HE, neither the place,
nor the culture nor the culture's technology. I am not looking to be the
Paul Revere of the hollow Earth. Imagine to what degree such a discovery
could disturb people's lives. If there is an advanced civilisation there,
they know a lot more than we do and have a much better perspective. If they
haven't choosen to go public, why should I go blabbering about it? I blabber
anyway because nobody, and I mean nobody, believes it anyway.

> From reading Cater's material, it seems that gravitational inducing
frequencies

are in the 1000 Gigahertz range. The problem is, how do you make an

oscillator

for that frequency? I'm sure it's probably possible it's just that I have
no idea how you would go about doing it. Transistors only go up to about

10-20

gigahertz and Infrared LEDs in remote controls are in the ~1,000,000

Gigahertz

range. Cater mentions you can generate ~1000 Gigahertz using "mechanical

means"

but I just can't visualize how you'd do that at the moment.

This is another technology that society isn't ready for, or else the
terrorists would be flying all over NYC like witches on a broom with
chemical weapons in a flask.

Cater is just a phone call away- he might have an idea.

By the way, assuming that there is a culture in the hollow portion, I
imagine that they are survivors from the same war which caused all of those
craters on the Moon and that they are of the culture which existed thousands
of years ago, maybe they and the Hindus and Greeks and Egyptians were all
the same.

Dharma/Dean

9

Jeff,

It is not only scientists that do that, it happens across the board. For
example, the people who tell you that the world is controlled by a banking
elite and that the central bank is owned by Europeans and the British crown
also say all kinds of extreme things about militia and revolution, but there
is a lot of truth to their other assertions.

  The failed mirror test that I performed didn't surprise me. The

instructions

clearly state that you have to use metal mirrors which I didn't strictly

do.

And four foot in diamete, too.

Cater did not say that a four foot mirror was required to get amplification of light duo to reflection. The four foot mirrors where used in an experiment where they supposedly melted a hole through a mountain or a big rock or something.

Frode

10

I do wonder... Is there any actual evidence that Cater wrote this?
(THE Cater, I mean).

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Dean" <0108@t...> wrote:

···

>
>
> Letter From Joseph Cater.
>
>From: "John F. Winston"
>Subject: IUFO: Letter From Joseph Cater.
>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:16:46 -0800
>
>-> IUFO Mailing List
>
>Subject: First Letter From Joseph Cater. Dec. 12, 2000.
>
> I have mentioned before that I have a friend called Joseph Cater.
>His has many past lives that he has explained to me. I've asked
>him a lot of questions about them and here is his letter back to
>me.
>
>.....................................................................
>.....................................................................
>
> Dear John:
> I found out a long time ago I had a double. He has my name and looks
>exactly like me. He also has supernormal powers and knows every move
>I make. I first learned of his existence about 55 years ago when I was
>living in Los Angeles. Some one I never saw before accosting me on
>the street and greeted me like a long lost brother. It seemed I had
>been his roommate for about two years. He started meminiscing. Later
>friends and acquaintances related seeing me do things in places when in
>reality I was someplace else. I am certain he is another embodiment
>of me. I once got into his mind. It was a weird experience. Imagine
>having two memories occurring simultaneously and each one as real
>as the other. This pattern continued after I move to Portland. He
>tends to associate with my friends and associates when I am somewhere
>else.
> Most of the experiences you speak of was with my double or my other
>self. However I am the real scientist of the two and the one who
>wrote the books and I am the one who has taken all the flak from the
>forces of ev-l. He has powers such as the ability to teleport that I
>don't have but my powers are far more extensive. However, they can
>only be used against forces that are a threat to me or the planet.
>My targets have always been picked out for me in subtle ways. For
>example, in 1990 I learned that the US go-t. had been in collusion
>with e-il aliens since Eisenhower was president. They were known
>as the Grays and Reptoids. They had underground installations
>and cities all over the planet (mostly in the US). In fact 85 of
>them.
> Over the decades the g-vt. (controlled by the power el-te) had
>invested trillions of dollars in these installations. Most of this
>came from dr-g money. The US go-t. is the biggest d-up dealer on
>the planet. The vast majority of UFO sightings during this period
>were UFOs coming in and out of these installations.
> After I learned this I realized all of them had to be destroyed at
>the same time. I visualized countless disintegrating rays converging
>on all 85 of them and causing a mass cave in of each one. It was
>only the lower level where all of them went and their cities and
>equipment that were wiped out. Thus no evidence of the cave ins on
>the surface. This was Dec. 1998. After this, UFO sightings almost
>came to a halt for many years. There happened to be one of them about
>50 miles S.E. from Portland in a mountainous area at about 5,000 ft.
>elevation. Right after this there were reports of unexplained rock
>slides in that area. I and a friend found that most of these rocks
>had to have been airborne to have landed where they did. This
>occurred for a radius of 5 miles from the center. We found evidence
>of land sides and roots of trees exposed. At the center a tree and
>its root system weighing several tons had been dumped on the road,
>and about one quarter mile of the road had been taken out. Imagine
>about one half cubic mile of rock falling hundreds of feet. Anyone
>in the area would have been ki-led from the shock. There is much
>more to the story than this. An entire book could be written about
>it. This is an example of the powers I can muster when it becomes
>necessary.
> On another occasion I had to pass a test to prove my identity in
>order for certain action to be taken in my behalf. I was given a
>long piece of thread in which knots had been tied. As you know it
>is an impossibility to take out even one overhand knot put in a
>thread. (JW I'm probably not getting all of the context of this
>explanation, so I'll check with Joseph again on this explanation.)
>I was then told to put more knots in the thread. The ends of the
>thread were pulled tightly after each knot. I put another dozen
>in the thread. Then, I was told to take out all the knots. I
>accomplished it in less that two minutes! I could no more do it
>now than I could fly to the moon.
>
> It was my double who did in the bad guys for the praying group. (JW
>This was the case Joseph told me about where he found a group praying
>about some international ba-kers and other people were going to take
>control of certain things. He told them he would take care of it. He
>obtain an army of elementals and had them ki-l over 100 of these
>people. It showed up in the newspapers about these people being
>k-lled. He went back to the group and told them what he had done.
>They were horrified that he had done such a thing and requests
>that he never come back. I once told Joseph that there seemed to be
>something that was keeping me from accomplishing something that I was
>trying to do. I will now start to called Joseph by the name of Joe
>which is what his close friends call him. Joe asked me if I would
>like for him take knock out the power that was doing this. I then
>told him, "Sure go ahead and do it.
> That night while I was at work I was hit by a massive psychic
>attach. My vision in my eyes whited out and I couldn't see. I sat
>down on the floor for a while with a very bad headache. I later
>explained this to my psychic advisor by the name of Evelyne. She
>said, "You idiot, it was your higher self keeping you from doing
>this. You asked him to knock out your own higher self. It's a wonder
>it didn't kill you." From then on I was careful what I asked Joe to
>do.)
>
> As for the Salton Sea episode! One early afternoon I found myself
>surrounded by about 40 UFOs of all sizes and shapes. They remove
>themselves somewhat and were still there after I retired for the
>night. Later I learned they were there to hold at bay other UFOs
>that meant me harm.
> That experience you had in the Milpitas church was my double. (JW
>Joe and I were alone in a building and he asked me if I would like
>for him to make it stop raining where we were and it was really
>raining everywhere. He made it stop raining just in the area where
>we were.)
>
> As to some of my embodiments! I was three of the greatest
>composers of all time, Bach, Handel and Beehoven. (JW Joe told me
>that although he was these people, in this life he can't even carry a
>tune.)
> There is something about Maxwell historians are unaware of. Maxwell
>died young because he was going to reveal things the world was not
>ready to know. Much of this
>is to be found in my books. (JW Joe was Maxwell in a previous life.
>In this life he has a college degree in, I think, Physics. He works
>with free energy, transformers and other things.)
> I was also Aristotle. Historians have rendered him a grave
>injustice. He was supposedly not versed in science and allegedly
>made absurd remarks concerning falling bodies.
> The Rosicrucian Order has documents to prove he was well over
>2,000 years ahead of his time. He was a mathematician without
>peer and his scientific achievements were staggering. They dwarfed
>anything Leonardo did. He wrote about 1400 books most of which
>have been lost. That was one of my best embodiments. Another one,
>James Field, history is not aware of. He was a friend and classmate
>of Newton. He was the brains of the duo. Newton was a great craftsman
>and set up experiments for him. He taught Newton the Calculus.
>He died during the plague that hit England during the time and Newton
>inherited all of his writings and notes. It was from these that Newton
>wrote the Principia (JW SP ?). Later a fire destroyed all of Field's
>writings.
> Newton had a nervous breakdown and his scientific work came to a
>halt. This has puzzled historians.
> I was the twin brother of Archimedes. This twin was the brains of
>the duo. Archimedes was far more extrovertive and consequently got
>the credit for the work his twin did. History has never mentioned
>his twin. I was also Hermes.
> I was also the mathematicain and physicist Leard Enler who some
>regard as the greatest mathematician of all time. I doubt it. I
>was also Hubla Khan who was about he only good ruler China ever had.
>I have also had many many other embodiments history is unaware of.
>They did a lot to shape history and have had achievements they never
>got credit for as was the case with James Field.
>
> My past lives have been revealed to me from various sources all of
>which are in agreement and fit a pattern. The same is the case
>with my real identity. I am an embodiment of the king of the
>Elders, the oldest and most advanced race there is. They were the
>first beings to emerge from the so called g-dhead and fully
>developed. My cosmic name is El Daoud. Their job is to oversee the
>development of humanity and embody on planets to serve as guides and
>teachers. Without them there would not be much advancement.
>Best Regards
>Joe.
>
>John Winston. johnfwin@m...
>

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Nathan, I'll double check it the next time I talk to him, which won't be
soon.

But you know, when he write about Beethoven in 1982, he didn't make any
outlandish statements. In his more recent re-written book, he did. I notice
on the phone he gets disoriented and such, and displays emotions that aren't
appropriate to the subject matter, and goes off on tangents, talking run-on
sentences and such. I've been around old folks and guess what? I wouldn't be
surprised if the lette were true.

Even so, look at Columbus- he WAS a misfit. And Lennon was all into peace,
but the guy had a violent history since his childhood, he got thrown out of
kindergarten for attacking kids. But Cater is smart, too, his book is just
full of brillant logic and deductions. Who do we expect to investigate all
this off-beat stuff, certainly not 9 to 5 Joe, you know what \I mean.

Later,

Dharma/Dean

···

I do wonder... Is there any actual evidence that Cater wrote this?
(THE Cater, I mean).

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "Dean" <0108@t...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Letter From Joseph Cater.
> >
> >From: "John F. Winston"
> >Subject: IUFO: Letter From Joseph Cater.
> >Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:16:46 -0800
> >
> >-> IUFO Mailing List
> >
> >Subject: First Letter From Joseph Cater. Dec. 12, 2000.
> >
> > I have mentioned before that I have a friend called Joseph Cater.
> >His has many past lives that he has explained to me. I've asked
> >him a lot of questions about them and here is his letter back to
> >me.
> >
> >.....................................................................
> >.....................................................................
> >
> > Dear John:
> > I found out a long time ago I had a double. He has my name and looks
> >exactly like me. He also has supernormal powers and knows every move
> >I make. I first learned of his existence about 55 years ago when I was
> >living in Los Angeles. Some one I never saw before accosting me on
> >the street and greeted me like a long lost brother. It seemed I had
> >been his roommate for about two years. He started meminiscing. Later
> >friends and acquaintances related seeing me do things in places when in
> >reality I was someplace else. I am certain he is another embodiment
> >of me. I once got into his mind. It was a weird experience. Imagine
> >having two memories occurring simultaneously and each one as real
> >as the other. This pattern continued after I move to Portland. He
> >tends to associate with my friends and associates when I am somewhere
> >else.
> > Most of the experiences you speak of was with my double or my other
> >self. However I am the real scientist of the two and the one who
> >wrote the books and I am the one who has taken all the flak from the
> >forces of ev-l. He has powers such as the ability to teleport that I
> >don't have but my powers are far more extensive. However, they can
> >only be used against forces that are a threat to me or the planet.
> >My targets have always been picked out for me in subtle ways. For
> >example, in 1990 I learned that the US go-t. had been in collusion
> >with e-il aliens since Eisenhower was president. They were known
> >as the Grays and Reptoids. They had underground installations
> >and cities all over the planet (mostly in the US). In fact 85 of
> >them.
> > Over the decades the g-vt. (controlled by the power el-te) had
> >invested trillions of dollars in these installations. Most of this
> >came from dr-g money. The US go-t. is the biggest d-up dealer on
> >the planet. The vast majority of UFO sightings during this period
> >were UFOs coming in and out of these installations.
> > After I learned this I realized all of them had to be destroyed at
> >the same time. I visualized countless disintegrating rays converging
> >on all 85 of them and causing a mass cave in of each one. It was
> >only the lower level where all of them went and their cities and
> >equipment that were wiped out. Thus no evidence of the cave ins on
> >the surface. This was Dec. 1998. After this, UFO sightings almost
> >came to a halt for many years. There happened to be one of them about
> >50 miles S.E. from Portland in a mountainous area at about 5,000 ft.
> >elevation. Right after this there were reports of unexplained rock
> >slides in that area. I and a friend found that most of these rocks
> >had to have been airborne to have landed where they did. This
> >occurred for a radius of 5 miles from the center. We found evidence
> >of land sides and roots of trees exposed. At the center a tree and
> >its root system weighing several tons had been dumped on the road,
> >and about one quarter mile of the road had been taken out. Imagine
> >about one half cubic mile of rock falling hundreds of feet. Anyone
> >in the area would have been ki-led from the shock. There is much
> >more to the story than this. An entire book could be written about
> >it. This is an example of the powers I can muster when it becomes
> >necessary.
> > On another occasion I had to pass a test to prove my identity in
> >order for certain action to be taken in my behalf. I was given a
> >long piece of thread in which knots had been tied. As you know it
> >is an impossibility to take out even one overhand knot put in a
> >thread. (JW I'm probably not getting all of the context of this
> >explanation, so I'll check with Joseph again on this explanation.)
> >I was then told to put more knots in the thread. The ends of the
> >thread were pulled tightly after each knot. I put another dozen
> >in the thread. Then, I was told to take out all the knots. I
> >accomplished it in less that two minutes! I could no more do it
> >now than I could fly to the moon.
> >
> > It was my double who did in the bad guys for the praying group. (JW
> >This was the case Joseph told me about where he found a group praying
> >about some international ba-kers and other people were going to take
> >control of certain things. He told them he would take care of it. He
> >obtain an army of elementals and had them ki-l over 100 of these
> >people. It showed up in the newspapers about these people being
> >k-lled. He went back to the group and told them what he had done.
> >They were horrified that he had done such a thing and requests
> >that he never come back. I once told Joseph that there seemed to be
> >something that was keeping me from accomplishing something that I was
> >trying to do. I will now start to called Joseph by the name of Joe
> >which is what his close friends call him. Joe asked me if I would
> >like for him take knock out the power that was doing this. I then
> >told him, "Sure go ahead and do it.
> > That night while I was at work I was hit by a massive psychic
> >attach. My vision in my eyes whited out and I couldn't see. I sat
> >down on the floor for a while with a very bad headache. I later
> >explained this to my psychic advisor by the name of Evelyne. She
> >said, "You idiot, it was your higher self keeping you from doing
> >this. You asked him to knock out your own higher self. It's a wonder
> >it didn't kill you." From then on I was careful what I asked Joe to
> >do.)
> >
> > As for the Salton Sea episode! One early afternoon I found myself
> >surrounded by about 40 UFOs of all sizes and shapes. They remove
> >themselves somewhat and were still there after I retired for the
> >night. Later I learned they were there to hold at bay other UFOs
> >that meant me harm.
> > That experience you had in the Milpitas church was my double. (JW
> >Joe and I were alone in a building and he asked me if I would like
> >for him to make it stop raining where we were and it was really
> >raining everywhere. He made it stop raining just in the area where
> >we were.)
> >
> > As to some of my embodiments! I was three of the greatest
> >composers of all time, Bach, Handel and Beehoven. (JW Joe told me
> >that although he was these people, in this life he can't even carry a
> >tune.)
> > There is something about Maxwell historians are unaware of. Maxwell
> >died young because he was going to reveal things the world was not
> >ready to know. Much of this
> >is to be found in my books. (JW Joe was Maxwell in a previous life.
> >In this life he has a college degree in, I think, Physics. He works
> >with free energy, transformers and other things.)
> > I was also Aristotle. Historians have rendered him a grave
> >injustice. He was supposedly not versed in science and allegedly
> >made absurd remarks concerning falling bodies.
> > The Rosicrucian Order has documents to prove he was well over
> >2,000 years ahead of his time. He was a mathematician without
> >peer and his scientific achievements were staggering. They dwarfed
> >anything Leonardo did. He wrote about 1400 books most of which
> >have been lost. That was one of my best embodiments. Another one,
> >James Field, history is not aware of. He was a friend and classmate
> >of Newton. He was the brains of the duo. Newton was a great craftsman
> >and set up experiments for him. He taught Newton the Calculus.
> >He died during the plague that hit England during the time and Newton
> >inherited all of his writings and notes. It was from these that Newton
> >wrote the Principia (JW SP ?). Later a fire destroyed all of Field's
> >writings.
> > Newton had a nervous breakdown and his scientific work came to a
> >halt. This has puzzled historians.
> > I was the twin brother of Archimedes. This twin was the brains of
> >the duo. Archimedes was far more extrovertive and consequently got
> >the credit for the work his twin did. History has never mentioned
> >his twin. I was also Hermes.
> > I was also the mathematicain and physicist Leard Enler who some
> >regard as the greatest mathematician of all time. I doubt it. I
> >was also Hubla Khan who was about he only good ruler China ever had.
> >I have also had many many other embodiments history is unaware of.
> >They did a lot to shape history and have had achievements they never
> >got credit for as was the case with James Field.
> >
> > My past lives have been revealed to me from various sources all of
> >which are in agreement and fit a pattern. The same is the case
> >with my real identity. I am an embodiment of the king of the
> >Elders, the oldest and most advanced race there is. They were the
> >first beings to emerge from the so called g-dhead and fully
> >developed. My cosmic name is El Daoud. Their job is to oversee the
> >development of humanity and embody on planets to serve as guides and
> >teachers. Without them there would not be much advancement.
> >Best Regards
> >Joe.
> >
> >John Winston. johnfwin@m...
> >

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Ralph,

Nice posting on the Alert site. It is good for us to get all the background
we can on the Arctic.

Dean