Regarding the Krespi Collection from Equador -
The author and explorer, Richard Wingate, wrote a book entitled "Lost
Outpost of Atlantis," which seeks to detail the so called "Krespi
Colelction" -- said to be ancient artifacts from a "lost civilization" -
objects of strange and unusual design, totally different from known Incan
and South American workmanship.
Quote from jacket "Lost Outpost of Atlantis": "Richard Wingate has devoted
years to his personal search for proof of the lost Atlantis. His research
for this book has taken him through the jungles of Ecudor to the halls of
its government to personal interviews with Fr. Carlo Crespi, the first
discoverer of the mysterious "artifacts." Many of these 7,000 artifacts
showed Egyptian, Phoenician, or Abyssinian influence.
The book has dozens of photos of the collection, along with pictures taken
of the author AND Fr. Crespi. The book is available through www.amazon.com.
David Hatcher Childress also addressed the collection in some of his works.
allplanets-hollow wrote:
There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
- Re: Moon Poll
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- Adamski Again
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- Just a thought = ok
dino wrote:
- Re: Adamski
dino wrote:
- Re: Adamski
dino wrote:
- Scandanavian origins
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- Re: Moon Poll
Norlan2000 wrote:
- Re: Re: Adamski
Norlan2000 wrote:
- 'round about cultivation
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- Re: Scandanavian origins
CrenshawDG wrote:
- Governmental suppression of Lunar Evidence
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- Olympus Mons Pic
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- The Song Shambhala
Dean De Lucia wrote:
- Re: Father Krespi aka Hitler
Ralph McCormick wrote:
- Mt. Rainier
Ralph McCormick wrote:
- DickToRalph about Father Krespi aka Hitler
Dick Fojut wrote:
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Moon.
I really don't see a need or a purpose for NASA to create this entire
falsified scenario.
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Norlan,
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I think that NASA does have a motive. If it comes out one day that the
moon has inhabitants, either on the far side or in the hollow cavity this,
of course, will disturb the order of things on Earth- economic, civil,
political- in every way, from civil disobedience to violence in the streets.
It would give new validity to UFO phenomena, phenomena such as
disappearances, mutilations, experiements on humans, genetic collection,
ect. Once the truth hit home, there could be civil panic. -
If it comes out that the Moon has enough gravity to hold down an
atmosphere, then this also creates a disturbance. It threatens the Newtonian
concept of gravity because the Moon just doesn't have enough mass to hold
down an atmosphere. this, in turns, threatens everything that has been set
up and maintained in academia. It also threatens the economic order, for
example, the petroleum industry. -
I guess that I should come right out and say that conspiracy is implicit
in any large-scale, alternative phenomena, for example, NASA, UFOs,
university hierarchies, the media or international banking. The existence of
the hollow earth couldn't remain a secret at all if it were not for this.
All such " secrets, " including NASA secrets are suggestive of the tip of
the iceberg, not just discrete hoaxes, unconnected to anything else.
If the Russians do get to the Moon someday, and find out
that none of what NASA has claimed about the Moon to be true, then what a
ridiculous situation that would be. Why would NASA and its administrators
want to set themselves up for such a fiasco? Heads would roll!
Imprisonment
and all sorts of repercussions, like DE-funding the program, would result.
Some job security. The whole process is one of discovery. There are no
predicted expectations or specific theories which have to be satisfied, so
why not share the excitement of what is being discovered as it takes place
with everyone?- The Russians are the ones who supposedly parachuted a probe into the
atmosphere of Venus, several time, actually, in atmospheric temperatures of
900* F. This tells us that there are at least winks and nods going on.
Now, as for atmosphere on the moon. I believe that there is a
proportionate
atmosphere to that of the gravitational influence of the moon. What those
proportions are? I don't know. If it is the case that the moon has
one-sixth the gravitational force of the Earth, then that doesn't
necessarily
mean that it therefore has one-sixth the atmosphere. Perhaps there is
none,
as we are told, because the gravitational force on the moon is not
sufficient
to retain an atmosphere, at least what we would consider to be an
atmosphere.- One sixth the gravity means not enough gravity to hold down any
atmosphere. There is little in the way of wind because there is little
magnetic field, but all kinds of atmospheric disturbances have been
observed, even by amateur observers. They get dubbed " Transient Lunar
Phenomena " and we are told they they are " outgassings " from under the
crust of the planet. This is doubtful. David Hatcher Childress hasa picture
on his film Hidden Archaeology of a long and substantial cloud fingering its
way through some mountainous, lunar terrain so, again, we can discount
outgassing and other mainstrem explanations.
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Why would it be advantageous for NASA to say there wasn't an atmosphere on
the Moon if there was?
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I have explained why above.
Are we just so incredulous that we refuse to believe
anything? Do we just automatically challenge everything, or assign
everything to a conspiracy theory? -
Norlan,
- Good logic and evidence has always accompanied my statements on this
list. I have a whole site of evidence and logic up:
HugeDomains.com Why would you ask this?
As far as the photographic evidences that indicate an atmosphere on the
Moon,
there could be several explanations to those anomalies.
Ahhhh . . . Sounds like to me that perhaps Cater's theory indicates that
there should be an atmosphere on the Moon? So, whatever evidences that
can
be musterd or generated from whatever sources that there is an atmosphere
on
the Moon is fair game? Is that the ticket?- The ticket is called " mutually supporting evidence." That is all that
you can say about it when evidence or logic is mutually supportive,
systematic and interlocking rather than disparate. Where in the world are
you coming from?
I just hope it isn't one of
those cases where the "theory" camouflages the facts.- Facts have to do with good quality of telescopic and photographic
evidence. Amateurs have watched stars occulted by the Moon have their
resolution disturbed as they pass close to the Moon's rim. Only an
atmosphere would have this effect. There is a good astronaut picture,
actually a couple of them, of an atmospheric fringe at sunrise and sunset on
the Moon. And then there is that telling picture which Childress has. Good
evidence against a Apollo landing, as it has been presented, has been
presented across the board, from many sources.This suggests that there is
something to it, not that it is all a simple matter of overblown theory
camouflaging facts.
Is this where all the
NASA trashing comes from? Because the reports coming from NASA don't
agree
with Cater's theory, then NASA must be conducting a massive disinformation
conspiracy to confound the Cater movement? I would hope this isn't the
main
motivation. - Good logic and evidence has always accompanied my statements on this
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Norlan-
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Again, I have always presented good quality arguments, comprehensive
arguments, and good evidence. How can you come along and just " trash " the
presentations which I have made? I've got it all up in writing on the net,
and Cater wrote a book, which you haven't read. ( This doesn't stop you from
commenting on Cater ). And Cater is not the only one. I have brought up a
wealth of comments and evidence from Daniel Ross and a few things from Pari
Spolter. -
I think that you should be ready to argue the issues one by oneand not
just brush aside everything that I, and others on this list, have been
working to present in the name of some nebulous ad hominem. For example, I
made some comments the other day about gravity increasing inrelation to the
larger surface extensions of planets, but how the intensity of the gravity
on the surface would not change, that it would be " Earth-like." You have
practically changed the subject and defined that the conclusion of this
different scheme of gravity, that an atmosphere can exist on the Moon and
that orthodox gravity claims must be wrong, is a matter of some fanatic NASA
bashing and some emotional attachement to Mr. Cater. -
If you don't leave yourself open to the ideas of conspiracy and
alternative science, then how on Earth can you justify being a Hollow
Earther? You say that you are a hollow Earther, but then the concomitant
ideas and concepts which would put the theory on sound footing get bashed by
you, all on the plea of being reasonable or something.
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Your comments below have all been answered above.
Dharma/Dean
Now, on the other hand, I do believe there are certain things which NASA
is
not telling us. I believe there are many things which are being withheld
from public disclosure. However, I don't think that their omissions of
information also carry with it distortions of those things which they do
determine to be worth revealing. There's a big difference between the two
positions. I don't see how lying to us about the facts they discover
there
would be advantageous at all to NASA. Whereas, decisions to omit some
discoveries, like, polar indentations or openings observed on the Earth,
or
UFO activity in space, or evidences of intelligent being's and their
artifacts discovered left there on the Moon's surface, might very well be
topics which their policy dictates would not be revealed to the public.
The topic of the Moon's atmosphere, or lack thereof, doesn't strike me as
one
of those topics requiring a higher security classification.
In other words, I think NASA might be guilty of omission, but I don't
think
they are outright liars.
An atmosphere on the Moon? Who knows? But if NASA says there isn't one,
then why not believe them? After all, they've supposedly been there.
Just thoughts,
Norlan
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Dean De Lucia wrote:
John McAlpin,
I don't want to reject Adamski's claims, I just wanted to say that there
were some parts that I wondered about. Taht's all that I wanted to say.
What was you impression of the book Inside the Spaceships? Did you get to it
on the web? It'sfantastic that they put the whole book up there, isn't it.
Dean
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dino wrote:
If we can separate the true discoveries of science from
Norlan,
We are all in this boat. It is a matter of where you draw the line,
where you " know " to draw the line. We all have to interpret
satellite photos, for example.
I see on all of the alternative science lists a tendency to dispute
something, such as an artificial artifact on the surface on the Moon
or Mars, or the existence or thickness of cloud cover, but to stay
within the parameters of generally accepted physics and gravity. It
is very difficult, at best, to explain " alternative " observations
while staying within the parameters that mainstrem science and
physics give, and without taking into consideration conspiracy.
With friends like you, who needs enemies. You are almost as bad as
Scott!
# : ^ )
Do youu see what I mean? You got sucked into it. Seismographs have to
be interpreted according to already-established assumptions about the
thickness and mass of the Earth, according to unproven theory.
You could stand to read Jan Lamprecht´s book because he debunks very
well. He doesn´t at all set up a model like Cater, he stays much more
within accepted parameters. But he debunks the generally accepted
model, especially in relation to geology.
That same reading indicates an
All of them interpret in terms of depth and thickness based on
unproven theory, for example, a linear application of the Cavendish
experiment results, results in which heating interfered with the
results, for one thing.
credits it.
On the contrary, by ascribing gravity to mass based on Cavendish, it
is the mainstrem scientists who have to invents ever-increasing
thickness and exotic elements in the Earth´s interior to account for
the same. It is much easier to account for the gravitational force in
terms of the charge on matter rather than to practically engage in
intellectual gymnastics to fit insane amounts of mass into the volume
of space occupied by the Earth.
Yes, there are zonal forces and sticking on the particle level, too.
Just a thought.
And just more thoughts.
Dean
Norlan
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Norlan,
I´d be interested in familiarizing myself with the doubts in relation
to Adamski. Any online sources? I don´t want to accept anything
without some analysis. I guess that I can´t really arrive at any
conclusions in relation to his book.
But there are things in his book, in spite of my doubts, which
suggest truthfulness. For example, how did he know back in the early
50s about the existence of motherships? I mean, nowadays, people have
had abduction experiences in them, such as Travis Walton, so we have
received information about them. And we´ve actually seen pictures
of " suncruisers." But back in Adamski´s time, how could he have
invented this? What a coincidence that would have to be.
Dharma/Dean
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Dean De Lucia wrote:
To: List Members
From: Dharma/Dean
Re: A chapter from the book of P.N Oaks called Our World Vedic Heritage. In
this chapter Mr. Oaks relates the Scandanavian region to India, along the
lines of an anthropological, motherland source.
I think that his concept is a bit sectarian, let´s just see it in terms of "
pre-Western civilization " , Indo-European, cultural, linguistic and even
racial origins.
He makes the point that the ancient Indo Europeans from India migrated to
the Scandanavian region- something like that. I don´t think that this is
exactly reasonable, nor is an origin in the Caucasians reasonable. For one
thing, the Hindus and Caucasians are darker complected and it would have
been difficult for them to migrate to Scandanavia and generate a blond
haired, blue eyed race. It would have been difficult for them to migrate and
preserve and teach some of the complex linguistic patterns, such as verb
conjugations and the declensions of nouns, which Sanskrit and the languages
of Northern Europe have in common.
A much closer origin would be the Arctic opening to the hollow earth, from
which Indo European culture could have made several discrete migrations to
various points on the surface, one by one. Not that you have to start at
some point on the surface and connect every fragmented part of Indo European
culture as if you were stringing together pearls on a thread.
Of course, indologists haven´t been able to interpret in this way because
they have no concept of the hollow Earth Theory.
Read the similarities which Mr. Oaks presents below, and see if an origin in
the hollow earth through the Arctic isn´t more reasonable.
Mr. Oaks:
THE VEDIC PAST OF THE SCANDINAVIAN REGION.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland though
separate countries today, are lumped together in ancient Vedic terminology
as Scandinavia.
Scandinavia is a Sanskrit term meaning a naval settlement founded in the
name of Scand, the son of Lord Shiva and Commander?in?Chief of the divine
armies. The Vikings inherited that tradition. The last syllable 'King' is
the Sanskrit word 'Simha' signifying a lion.
The whole of Europe was administered in ancient times by a Sanskrit?speaking
Vedic clan known as Daityas.
Danu and Merk were two leaders of that ancient clan of the Daityas. It is
those two names which are combined in the term Denmark.
Count Biornstierna is, therefore, right in observing " it appears that the
Hindu settlers migrated to Scandinavia before the Mahabharat war."
The ancient names Sverige for Sweden and Norge for Norway are Sanskrit terms
Swarga and Narka. The term Sweden in Sanskrit signifies a place where there
is no perspiration. Since Narka alias Norge signifies ´ Hell ´ in Sanskrit,
Vedic tradition, it is very significant and pertinent that in Norway one
town is actually named Hell. This is very important proof of the Vedic past
of Norway.
Upsala near Stockholm in Sweden is a Sanskrit term signifiyng an auxiliary
or subordinate educational campus. It could, therefore, be that in the
pre?Christian days Upsala originated as a second, satellite campus of the
main educational establishment in Stockholm.
The Vedas
Scandinavia's ancientmost scripture is known as Edda because it is a
corruption of the name Veda. After the discontinuance of Sanskrit tuition in
Europe and as a result of the spread of Christianity, the contents of the
Vedas were forgotten and the word itself came to be mispronounced as Edda.
These days only the name 'Veda' survives in Scandinavia. Even that is
wrongly pronounced as Edda. Its kernel, viz., its Sanskrit chants have alt
been substituted by some imaginary stories.
Vedic Designs
Dorothea Chaplin observes in her book " During, recent years it has come to
be recognized how deeply the impress of ancient Indian designs and folklore
have influenced the pre?Columbia civilization of America. But the designs
and beliefs centred around the elephants are just as emphatically revealed
in the antiquities of Scotland and Scandinavia".
In Vedic tradition elephants are considered holy. God Ganash has an
elephant's head. Every temple and palace is many?a?time decorated with
elephant statues because an elephant is considered a symbol of sober wisdom
and sacred strength. The existence of the elephant in Scandinavian symbolism
though a live elephant is not native to the region, is a sure indication of
the prevalence of Vedic culture in pre-Christian Scandinavia.
Names and Surnames
Scandinavian names such as Amundsen and Sorensen are clearly of the Vedic
tradition. In India the term Sen is generally used as a surname, but even
personal names such as Ugrasen and Bhadrasen have ´ sen ´ endings.
The term Veda also forms part of Scandinavian names as in India, as in names
like Vedram and Vedprakash.
Buddha Idols
Some Buddha idols found in sunken ships in the frozen seas around
Scandinavian countries, indicate that because Scandinavia practised Vedic
culture when the Buddha rose to fame in India, his name, fame and images
were carried to Scandinavia too as to other parts of the world.
Shiva Worship
Many relics of Shiva worship are often found in Scandinavia as in the rest
of Europe. But Christian invaders of Scandinavia have done their worst in
twisting Shiva worship rituals and prayer books to appear as though they
were all woven around sexual revelries or primitive adulation of the genital
organs. Even in India, enemies of Vedic culture have manufactured such
defamatory Sanskrit literature to masquerade as genuine classics of those
revelling in sex worship.
Count Biornstierna, himself a Scandinavian, observes " we have ( in
Scandinavia ) another proof that the myths of the Scandinavians are derived
from those of the Hindus."
(2) P. 163, The Theogony of the Hindus, by Count Biornstierna.
Though under the present political dispensation the term Scandinavia may
apply only to Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Iceland yet let us also study the
other northern European regions in this context.
" Even today, the study of Sanskrit is a treasured objective among the Finns
and the Lithuanians and the legendary gods of these people can be mostly
identified with Vedic deities. "3
Czechoslovakia
In the Czechoslovak language too Veda means knowledge. This is an indication
that the Vedas have been a part of ancient European tradition. Science
faculties in Czechoslovakian academies are known as 'Veda'
The Sanskrit word for sugar is Sharkara. Even the English word sugar is a
regional variation of the Sanskrit term. The Czech word 'Sucker' is nearer
still in pronunciation to the Sanskrit term Sharkara.
The Czech word 'masso' is akin to the word 'mass' in several modern Indian
languages because they derive from the original Sanskrit word `mausam'
meaning 'flesh'.
Finland
The `Sauna' hot bath of Finland, is obviously the Sanskrit word 'Snanam.'
meaning 'bath'.
" Edda ( alias Veda ) is the sacred book of the Scandinavian branches of the
Teutonic family ... It includes the Goths of different names, the
Moeso-Goths near the Danube; the Visigoths in Spain; the Ostro-Goths who
culminated under Theodoric in Italy; the Franks whose name is `free men',
and the Lombards who founded a second kingdom in Italy. Of the Teutons we
hear nothing until Tacitus the Roman historian found them settled in
Germany. To Iceland we must go to learn what they believed and felt before
they were brought into contact with Christianity. In the year 874 A.D. a
body of people left Norway because they would not submit to the tyranny of
Harold Harfager, or Fair Hair and settled in Iceland. They carried with them
the religion, the poetry, and the laws of their race; and on this desolate
volcanic island they kept these records unchanged for hundreds of years. In
1639 these books were discovered ... this literature of the Scandinavian
peninsula gives a key to the literature of all the Teutonic families; its
ideas agree so wonderfully with the Sanskrit ideas .....The
ancient literature of the four nations who inhabit the Scandinavian
peninsula is practically one ".
The suffix ´GOTH´ quoted above is the Sanskrit term 'gotra'. It signifies a
bond of nurture under a common Guru alias sage. All Hindu intelligentsia
continue to retain and mention, if asked, their 'Gotra' alias 'Goth' with
holy nostalgic reverence. India's present Foreign Secretary's surname
'Rasagotra' is of that same tradition.
The extract quoted above gives one an indication that the people who inhabit
the various regions of Europe are Teutons alias Daityas; and that they all
had a common ancient literature. It contained poetry and laws and that the
ideas therein agreed with ideas in Sanskrit scriptures. That clearly
indicates that the Edda was a latter-day, native European edition of the
Vedas like the Zend- Avesta of Persia.
The above conclusion gets further clarified and confirmed by some more
details which Laura gives, namely, " The Norsemen were converted to
Christianity so much later than any other European nation that then
cosmogony and mythology have been preserved to us in a perfectly
unaltered condition. Their literature is both grand and
poetic. Their sacred books are the two Eddas, one poetic,
the other prose, written in that old Norse tongue which was
once spoken by the four families throughout the
Scandinavian Peninsula. The word Edda means great grand
mother because the poems were handed down from grand
mothers by repetition. The poetic Edda which is the older
of the two, is a collection of 37 sagas. Some of them are
religious, and give an account of the creation of the world,
of the gods and men; some of them historical telling of the
heroes of the nation; one of them gives a series of moral
maxims.
" The ballads were written before the 8th century but they were collected
together, in 7086 A.D. by a Christian priest named Soemund. Scholars think
Soemund was a name given to him in reference to this, for it means the mouth
which scatters seeds "
The Vedas and Upanishads
" The prose Edda was collected about 1200 A.D. It explains the mythology and
the history of the poetic Edda which, indeed, could hardly be understood
without it. It would be difficult to gather a system of belief, even a
connected story, from utterances so vague, incoherent and disjointed as
those of Soemund's Edda, especiallly the mythological part; the heroic
portion is more connected and comprehensible. But never?the?less there is a
wonderful charm about the Edda? a vague breadth in the thought, a delicious
simplicity in the expression. Of course there is first the cosmogony or
creation of the world (as under):
There was in times of old
Nor Sand nor Sea
Nor gelid waves
Earth existed not.
Nor heaven above
" I " was a chaotic chasm
And grass nowhere
Then the Supreme ineffable spirit willed
And a formless chaotic matter was created "
This will immediately suggest that wonderful hymn of the Rigved
" There is only one being who exists Unmoved yet moving swifter than the
wind, Who far outstrips the senses, though as gods They strive to reach Him,
who, Himself at rest Transcends the fleetest flight of other beings Who,
like the air, supports all vital action. He moves not; he is far yet near.
He is within this universe, and yet Outside this universe; whoe'r beholds
All living creatures as in him, and him, The universal spirit as in all,
Henceforth regards no creature with contempt".
The two Eddas, one in verse and the other in prose are obviously carry-overs
of the original Sanskrit Vedas and the Upanishads respectively. The
wonderful charm ant breadth of thought and the story of the creation in the
Edd: are unmistakable characteristics of the Vedas. Similar pre-Christian
Anglo-Saxon ballads are preserved in a manuscript in Exeter Cathedral in
England.
Since the Mahabharat war ( around 3138 B. C. ), the tradition of Vedic
recitation in Europe broke down and the memory of the Vedas gradually faded
away. Later because of the Christian invasion even the remaining traces of
the Vedic tradition were wiped out from Europe. In spite of such a big
time?gap the irresistible divine magic of the Vedas impelled even a
Christian priest such as Soemund to scrape and cull together whatever
conceptual remnants he could find of the long extinct Vedic tradition in
Europe. The effort was worth its while because from that collection,
described above, one can certainly conclude that what is currently being
spelled as Edda was indeed basically the Veda. The belief that Edda
signifies a grand mother is a latter-day improvised explanation. The real
meaning is Veda.
Upsala was a Temple
We have already explained earlier that Upsaia is a Sanskrit word connoting a
subordinate educational establishment. Laura Poor's noting says as much. She
observes - " The temple of Norsemen was at Upsala in Sweden: the grove that
surrounded it was sacred." 6 It was obviously a hermitage and Vedic school.
With the Christian invasion of Europe Olaf was the first Scandinavian king
to be inviegled into turning a Christian. As soon as he was baptised he let
loose his armies in 1030 A. D, to convert all Scandinavians to Christianity.
Thereafter the Gods of old were stigmatised and misrepresented as demons and
devils.
Scandinavians settled in England were turned Christians four centuries
earlier than the people in their home countries.
The Ramayan
All ancient Sanskrit scriptures lie battered, scattered, trampled and
forgotten in Europe. Some remnants of the Vedas and the Upanishads we have
already discussed above.
Likewise the Ramayan too has been reduced to small bits. Like fragments of a
torn text, single episodes from the Ramayan survive in Europe as loose,
independent stories. One such is the Hildebrand Lied, the oldest in Norse
mythology because it is an episode from the million year ancient Ramayan. It
is a part of what was once a bigger German epic.
The Mahabharat Legends
Another Norse ballad is about Sigfried, a hero who was born covered with a
coat of horn. Obviously this is the European relic of the Mahabharat
character, Karna who was born with an armour?plated body.
The Vedic Past of the Slavs
Modern states such as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia constitute the region
inhabited by the Slav community.
Slave language like other languages is a dialect of Sanskrit, too. There
fire is Agni as in Sanskrit, malka (Mallika) is mother, sestra is sister;
brat is brother; syn is son, nos is nose, dom (dham) is house, dvar is door
alias dwar. The Gypsies living with the Slavs are also Hindus from India.
They worship Rama, Krishna, Kali and numerous
other Vedic deities. In Scopte a city in Yugoslavia over 50,000 Ramas alias
Hindus live. Their names too are Hindu such as Sudhakant, Asha, Meenakshi
and Ramkali. They remember and respect India as their " Baro than " i.e. big
land.
Ancestor Worship
The ancestor-worship practised by the Slavs in ancient times and the powers
of nature adored by them are proof of their pre?Christian Vedic heritage.
The Slavs also offered sacrifices under Oak trees.
Their chief deity Bog is a relic of the Sanskrit word Bhagawan, Swarog is
another name of that supreme deity. That name Swarca is the Sanskrit word
for heaven.
English words ´bogy' and 'Puck' are also corruptions of the Sanskrit word
'Bhagawan'.
The Sun is called Dauzh?Bog by the Slavs. That is the Sanskrit term
Diwas-Bhagawan i.e. the God of daylight. Stri?Bog is the wind god.
Ogon is their pronunciation of the Sanskrit ' Agni ' meaning 'fire'.
Slav peasants refer to grain always as sacred corn' in the Vedic, Hindu
way.
The Vedic deity Varun is pronounced by the Slavs as Parun'.
Tree Worship
Corresponding to the tall banyan and peepul tree in India the Oak tree was
held so sacred by the Slavs that even after conversion to Christianity and
giving up their idols the Slavs would not tolerate their sacred Oak trees to
be cut down.
The Sati Custom
Upto about a thousand years ago Slav widows too used to immolate themselves
on the funeral pyres of their deceased husbands, as in India.
The Slavs looked upon the rainbow and the milky way as the pathways to
heaven, which was the abode of the Sun and therefore the abode of the dead.
Veda Slovena
Mr. Verkoviez a Slav resident of Serres, near Salonica, published in 1874 a
remarkable collection of Slavonic poetry and named it Veda Slovena. That is
an indication of the memory of the Vedas still surviving among the Slavs and
also of the great respect they still retain for the Vedas. This couldn't
have been possible if the Vedas had not formed part of their lost heritage.
Those songs used to be recited even by Mohamedan Bulgarians but Mr.
Verkoviez claims to have found them in an ancient monastery on Mt. Rhodope
in Thrace. Some Slavonic savants hail them as genuine, sacred ancient hymns
while others denounce them as concoctions.
The Norsemen and Slavs were forced to abandon their Vedic culture and become
Christian in the 9th century. For a long time Christianity was suffered to
exist. However Vladimir, the Charlemagne of Russia (who ascended the throne
in 980 A. D.) proclaimed Christianity as the state religion by himself
toppling a statue of the Vedic deity, Varun alias Parun. Thereafter, all
Vedic temples and schools in the region were turned into Christian churches
and monasteries. At his baptism the name Vladimir was changed to Wassily.
The Russo?Greek church has since hailed him as St. Basil. This is yet
another instance of the Christian and Muslim practice of raising to
sainthood persons who
Wielded the sword and resorted to terror and torture to eradicate worldwide
Vedic culture and force people to become Christians and Muslims.
The heroic ballads that are sung about Wassily and about Charlemagne are
full of pre-Christian ideas and sentiments grafted on to these Christian
converts.
A few ritual songs preserved by the peasantry described the agricultural
changes of the seasons. But constant priestly disapproval of those
pre?Christian songs have resulted in changing the original Vedic content and
meanings of those songs.
Sankranti Festival
Yet as in India the people celebrate the end of winter by building up a
bonfire. Peasants dance and sing songs to Lode, the goddess of spring and
festivity and for a week the children shoot with bows and arrows. The
Christian priests have now baptised that festival as Butter Week. This is
yet another indication of how Christians and Muslims put their own shrouds
on age old Vedic festivals to make them look deceptively Christian or
Muslim.
In India there are two festivals, both connected with winter, where bonfires
are lighted. One falls on January 13/14 and the other about two and half
months later. The latter is also a kind of a water festival.
The one falling on January 13/1 4 is known in the Punjab region of north
India as Lodi and also as Sankranti. This is almost the same as the ´Lada'
of the Slavs. Since Indian festivals have an unbroken Vedic link it is
obvious that the Lada festival of the Slavs is also of Vedic origin.
End of P N Oaks-
Members,
In regard to indology and the HET, see my article the Hollow Earth and the
Aryan Invasion Redefined:
Dharma/Dean
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Dean De Lucia wrote:
Norlan,
You are full of surprises! I support you in your 'round about cultivation of
this person.
# : ^ )
DD
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Moon Poll
Dean,
Thanks for answering and summarizing the general stand that most of us
Hollow
Earthers support, (including myself). What I had written for you to
respond
to was the argument that I had received from someone, who deemed
themselves
to be rather educated, who discounted the whole concept to be rather
ludicrous. In many places, I think I quoted him directly, so please
excuse
my plagiaristic approach.
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CrenshawDG wrote:
As per the paragraph from your post"
there is >no perspiration. Since Narka alias Norge signifies ´ Hell ´ in
Sanskrit, Vedic >tradition, it is very significant and pertinent that in
Norway one town is actually >named Hell. This is very important proof of the
Vedic past of Norway."
A Norwegian subscriber to THEI once told me that the Norwegian words for "go
to hell" literally translated is "go to the North."
Dennis
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Dean De Lucia wrote:
Members-
In his book UFOs and the Complete Evidence from Space, Danile Ross outlines
some of the evidence and sources ( attached above ) of activity and
artificial artifacts on the Moon, and action by the government to clamp
down. This is just a tidbit of the type of writing that he does, it is a
very good book to get. Try locating it at www.bibliofind.com
Dharma/Dean
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Dean De Lucia wrote:
People,
I had always heard of the Viking Image of Olympus Mons showing cloud cover
at the top. The I got Daniel Ross's book, UFOs and the Complete Evidence
from Space, and I saw the image myself. Now it is on my Mars site, and YOU
can see it, TOO!
Don't forget to download it for safekeeping.
Dean
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Dean De Lucia wrote:
Members-
I have the downloadable Three Dog Night version of Shambhala up on this
page, and I am getting royal KICK out it! I mean, I already had the file,
but now I have it on the page.
Listen up
Dharma/Dean
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Ralph McCormick wrote:
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Father Krespi aka HitlerDick: I actually sent this
in as a followup to the book Rendezvous which suggests that Hitler went to
S. America and then somehow weasled his way into the Vatican and then went
onto become Pope John Paul. I know it sounds a little farfetched,but I
didn't write the book. I don't even know if there is a mention of Father
Krespi in the book. The Pope's nose looks much more like Krespi's than
Hitler's. Does the Pope have blue eyes like Hitler? I thought he does, but
theymight be brown. I think that if they faked Hitler's death once that
they could have done it again. Now I really want to get the book to know
more details. Stephens is going to be one of the speakers at the Laughlin,
Nevada UFO conference in the week of Sept. 16. They'll also have Greer, and
Dr. Richard Sauder speaking on underground tunnels. I have one tape that
features Stepens talking about UFOs at the N. Pole. He said a lot of
photage was taken of ufos up there, but he didn't get to see any of it. It
all went to the pentagon. I would like to hear some of his stuff about the
S. Pole. He usually talks about Billy Meier in tapes that I have seen.
From: Ralph
Dick Fojut wrote:
Ralph... Thanks. Fascinating piece about Hitler from Sean Morton's '97
book. I know Col. Stevens who lives here in Tucson. Wendelle, some weeks
back on Ted Lohman's Tucson cable TV program, "Off The Record," showed
photos and lectured about the WW2 German Disks and the base at Neu
Schwabenland in the Antarctic. He spoke in more detail at a recent UFO
Conference, showing more pictures and giving more details. I didn't get to
the conference but Ted Lohman ran off a tape copy for my wife, which we
watched just yesterday. Wendelle never mentioned Hitler, but he ended up his
UFO Conference presentation speaking about the German scientists and
technicians who operated the facilities at Neu Schwabwenland. I have no idea
of his source of information, but he said there are only about 300 of the
original German group still alive (no new younger people were allowed in)
living in South America. They are now very oid men, the youngest being 78.
From what Wendelle said, it doesn't appear that the world has to fear any
future Fourth Reich. - Dick
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THE FOURTH REICH, FATHER ADOLPH AND
THE LOST TREASURE OF THE NAZIS
By: Sean David Morton ©1997
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Ralph McCormick wrote:
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15 times in an hour. And sometime I feel the Earth move just a little. SO I
think that Mt. Rainier is getting ready to go. After like 2000 yrs of
dormacy its getting ready to rock-n-roll again. Hopefully when it blows that
it doesnt trigger and earth quake or anything. But in the next month im
moving to the small town of Aberdeen,so I can get away from Mt. Rainier.
Well everyone watch out cuz shes gonna blow!! Its a bomb ready to explode!
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Ralph... It does sound more than a little far fetched to me. Wow!
If the priest/Hitler was as old as Stevens said, somebody would have
had to have accomplished some miraculous tissue regeneration to pass
him off! If YOU get to the Laughlin conference (we aren't going) ask
Stevens specifically about Hitler - and especially that story he
became the Pope. Curious what he thinks about it.
- Dick
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