Brazil's flat Earthers to get their day in the sun

Folks , this is as bizarre as it gets ! What makes this even stranger is the fact that the present ruling party in Brazil has some leaders (probably Bolsonaro himself) who secretly endorse this idea . Hmm...quite a fascinating situation , isn't it ?

Brazil's flat Earthers to get their day in the sun

Sam Cowie in São Paulo

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Siddhartha Chaibub’s suspicions that the Earth wasn’t really round were first aroused when he stumbled across a YouTube video while living in Brazil’s capital, Brasília.

“I was always very sceptical about things,” said the 35-year-old freelance designer, who soon dived deep into the flat Earth universe: reading, watching videos and joining a dedicated WhatsApp group.

By the end of 2015, he was convinced. “The model that is imposed on us – that the Earth is spherical – is full of contradictions,” he said.

Today, his YouTube channel Professor Terra Plana (Flat Earth Professor) – featuring videos such as “25 examples that prove Nasa is a fraud” and “gravity doesn’t exist” – has nearly 29,000 subscribers.

Like Britain and the United States, Brazil is seeing a revival of flat Earth theory: 7% of the population – 11 million Brazilians – believe that the Earth is flat, according to the polling firm Datafolha. The poll noted believers were more likely to be religious or poorly educated.

Last week, Chaibub and three of his flat Earth fellows got their biggest break yet when they appeared on the country’s most-watched talkshow, The Night, to promote Brazil’s first ever flat Earth convention this Saturday in São Paulo.

The location of the event will only be disclosed on the day, organizers say, for security reasons. “There is a lot of prejudice,” said Chaibub.

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Critics attribute Brazil’s most recent flat Earth craze to poor public education, copycatting from abroad and to the increase in social media use.

“The internet gives a voice to these idiots,” said Fernando Lang da Silveira, a professor of physics at the Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul in southern Brazil.

He said that like climate change denial and creationism, flat Earth theory had a base of Christian fundamentalism.

In Brazil, the power and influence of the evangelical Christian church has grown significantly in recent decades: around a quarter of the population identifies as evangelical and these voters played a large part in bringing the far-right president Jair Bolsonaro to power.

Chaibub, who says he is a Catholic, admits that part of flat Earth culture is influenced by Bible verses, but denied that the movement is religious – or political.

Accusations of links to the flat Earth movement have dogged Bolsonaro’s government.

In January, the science minister, Marcos Pontes – South America’s first astronaut – said that he felt a “knot in the stomach” when he heard suggestions that the Earth is flat.

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But just a few months later, Olavo de Carvalho – a former astrologer who is considered the intellectual guru of Bolsonaro and his inner circle – prompted outrage and ridicule when he tweeted: “I didn’t study the subject of the flat Earth. I just watched a few videos of experiments that show that aquatic surfaces are flat – and so far I haven’t found anything to refute them.”

Carvalho – who has also claimed the Pepsi was sweetened with aborted foetuses and that oral sex can cause cancer – dined with Bolsonaro and Steve Bannon in Washington during the Brazilian president’s state visit to the US in March.

When questioned about flat Earthism, the foreign minister, Ernesto Araújo – an Olavo disciple who believes climate change is a Marxist plot – also seemed sympathetic to the movement, saying: “For me, the Earth is round. But it’s important to have this spirit of questioning,”

Brazil abounds in folk legends, and has long been home to a thriving subculture of new-age truth-seekers and UFO-spotters.

One of the country’s most popular authors, Paulo Coelho, claims to have had “experiences” with aliens “more than once” – although he recently clarified to the BBC that he knew the Earth wasn’t flat.

Marcelo Gleiser, a Brazilian professor of physics and astronomy at Dartmouth College in the United States and winner of this year’s Templeton Prize, described the resurgence of the theory as “very sad”.

“We’re living in very strange times. The idea of being popular for being outrageous is coming from the leadership,” he said.

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Sidhartha,

I think that the powers that be are a bit afraid that the hollow earth theory could really gather steam, and they are introducing other ideas, if yu know what I mean.

Hmmm ...

Dean

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Dean , I think it's a mix of three factors that is still feeding the Flat Earth "movement" :

  1. The Powers that be are deliberately putting the spotlight on them to discredit any other (more credible) challengers to the solid Earth theory , professed by mainstream science .

  2. The Flat Earthers definitely have in their possession , some concrete information that proves our Earth is NOT a solid sphere . However , they have misinterpreted that concrete evidence to believe Earth is flat , instead of reaching the more logical conclusion that Earth is hollow.

  3. The Flat Earthers have not really tried to fit their ideas into an alternative science framework such the Electric Universe Theory . Had they done that , they might have logically concluded the Earth is not a solid sphere , it's Hollow . Instead they got misguided and hence believe Earth is flat .

**As a Hollow Earth research group , it might help our cause to cherry pick some of the concrete evidence the Flat Earthers do possess , that Earth is NOT a solid sphere .

Regards

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@sidharthabahadur I saw some rather spooky info on Google Trends in the past which showed how Flat Earth suddenly exploded out of nowhere and Hollow Earth is, by comparison, relatively unpopular. I think someone is making Flat Earth gain headway in order to conceal the true nature of our planet.

Ephraimite , this trend just shows the anxiety of those who want to suppress a more credible theory like the Hollow Earth . Flat Earth is a red herring , right from day one .

Even in professional life , or in politics , you will find red herrings being brought up to deviate people's attention from the real core issues . This is a proven tactic and has been used successfully down the ages , by those who want to suppress some hidden truths .

Propaganda experts these days can make anything that they want to , to trend on Twitter , Google or Facebook . The way this game is played is called a "Hegelian dialectic" . This is a diabolical ploy of propagandists that excel in diverting attention of the masses !

By the way , it is not just about Hollow Earth theory that worries those who want to suppress it . They realise proof of Hollow Earth will reset the clock of the fundamental sciences by 150 years . The reason I say this is that the current scientific paradigm will stand thoroughly exposed once it's proven all planets are Hollow

That is the real prize at stake and which is why the stakes are very , very , very high !

Having said all of the above , I do find merit in some of the "proofs" that the Flat Earthers prossess - it can help us prove the Earth is NOT a solid sphere . Hence , I feel we should have an alliance with some of these flat earth groups , even though they are miguided about the truth .

One last point , if a head of state (of a big nation) and his government secretly endorse the Flat Earth theory , they definitely have some evidence , that is not on the public domain . Just that they have wrongly interpreted those data points, for their lack of a correct scientific framework , such as the electric/plasma universe . Their concept of the "what is beyond the GREAT ICE BARRIER of the POLAR REGIONS" , is the exact point from where they went on a wrong track .

Regards

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The Elites will always push nonsense, divide and conquer as well as many other emotional triggers to deflect from their vulgar aristocrasy.

Most people know that something is terribly wrong and are looking for an answer. Flat Earth nonsense is a look over here and not at us raping the planet and its inhabitants.

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Like I've seen other people say in the group before, flat earth discussion is always a distraction. Or in current parlance it's a "psyop".

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@sidharthabahadur Yes, I think you're right about the misinterpretation of data points regarding Flat Earth. I met a guy once who believed the earth was flat because of the stories of Hyperborea / Thule and he believed that going beyond the poles would "lead you into another dimension." In reality, it leads you to the interior portion of the earth, but perhaps that is "another dimension" in a figurative sense.

@Ephraimite, @Western0bserver, I 100% agree with your comments . This diversionary tactic is ultimately being used to prevent the unravelling of the current scientific paradigm and setting the clock back by 150 years , for fundamental sciences . So , it is NOT just Hollow Earth theory that those people are worried about .

One of the truly weird aspects of this particular Flat Earth group in Brazil though , is the name of it's moderator , "Siddhartha Chaibub" - I mean is this some sort of joke ??

Brazilians don't keep non-Christian names like Siddhartha . Is this person for real , or is it some sort of fake/pseudo identity created , just for the digital world ??

Regards

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Folks , now this BBC article (!) suggests that even You tube is upto this antic of promoting the Flat Earth Theory (at the expense of other alternative theories) :

YouTube aids flat earth conspiracy theorists, research suggests

  • 18 February 2019

Image caption The belief that the Earth is flat has gained ground among many conspiracy theorists

YouTube is playing a significant role in convincing some people that the Earth is flat, research suggests.

A study quizzed people at flat earth conferences and found most cited videos viewed on the site as a key influence.

They were won over by videos which claimed to amass evidence proving the Earth was not a spherical planet.

YouTube needed to do a better job of ensuring visitors get accurate information alongside such videos, said the researcher behind the study.

"There's a lot of helpful information on YouTube but also a lot of misinformation," Prof Asheley Landrum from Texas Tech University, who carried out the study, told The Guardian.

The algorithms the site used to guide people to topics they might be interested in made it easy to "end up down the rabbit hole" of misinformation, said Prof Landrum.

"Believing the Earth is flat is of itself is not necessarily harmful, but it comes packaged with a distrust in institutions and authority more generally," she added.

The study involved interviews with 30 attendees at two conferences.

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Questioning revealed YouTube had suggested the flat earth videos after attendees had watched other clips at home about conspiracy theories.

Some said they only watched the videos to criticise them but were won over by the arguments being advanced. The results from Prof Landrum's study were presented at the annual meeting of the Association for the Advancement of Science this weekend.

Prof Landrum said there was a need for scientists and science advocates to produce their own YouTube videos that answered and debunked the claims of flat earthers and conspiracy theorists.

"The only tool we have to battle misinformation is to try and overwhelm it with better information," said Prof Landrum.

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