Re: [allplanets-hollow] Branton's: Secret
Societies?
Dick's initial response to Terry's comments (see below)...
In allplanets-hollow, Dick Fojut
wrote: Though Hubbard borrowed some of his ideas and techniques
from elswhere, the great majority came out of his own brilliant mind.
Original stuff.
Although I hate to be the "new
guy" that continues to steer the club into off-topic subjects. I
would like to provide you with some links to show that there was
nothing original about Hubbard at all. And though he may have been
brilliant, this word in the sense that it applies to Hubbard, can
also be used to describe the likes of Hitler and Stalin. There was
not one reedeming quality about this man.
Hubbard and
the Occult: Fatnet Report
Ron the Nut
Ron
Hubbard Jr's Complete Interview with Penthouse
For the mind control aspects and how the
"church" got away with murder. Please visit this tribute.
Lisa Mcpherson, Killed by the
Church of Scientology
Don't have the $350,000 required to view
the sacred sciptures! No problem visit the The Scientology Secret
Library. They might not be at that URL for long though, as they
are constantly being hunted by the Scientology Guestapo. Read 'em
while you can!
Terry
Terry (new guy).... Thanks.
I've printed out the (looks like) 70 plus pages from the URLs you
provided above. The "Secret Library" URL page is no longer
available. Parts of remaining URL material I'm already aware of such
as Scientologists probably killing Lisa Mcpherson. But starting
tonight I will thoroughly read thorough all the rest and and
get back to you. Really scathing stuff! After glancing through
a few of the pages while printing off, SOME of the negatives are
similar to those my wife and I saw that caused us to resign from
Scientology in 1960. But must read all the rest first. Reemember,
Although I was involved and interested in Scientology since 1950, it
wasn't until 1953, after leaving the Air Force that I (along with my
wife to be) took training and became IDEALISTIC practicing
Scientologists. By 1960, disillusioned (the expensive "auditing"
for others did not achieve the positive results Hubbard promised) and
having caught him in some admitted deceptions, we quit. That was over
41 years ago. And although we have maintained friendships with some
who (for a time) remained Scientologists until they too quit, we have
ignored the organization except for the never ending mail to
past members that continues to this day.
Terry, the only
additional comment I want to make at this moment (and a long one) is
this; In 1950 I read Hubbard's first book "DIANETICS, and
was impressed. Out of curiosity, I had already browsed various books
and materials on Psychology, Jung - and Freud and found them
UNenlightening. Freud especially turned off my reason. Freud,
concentrating his "research" on (apparently) ONLY the most
sex-starved and aberrated individuals in his Vienna Jewish community,
didn't provide much credence in my eyes. Sure, Hubbard based his
beginning DIANETICS techniques on what Freud and friends had started.
An improvement, Hubbard rightly claimed.
A major difference was
this: Freud (and most Psychologists and especially Psychiatrists
still today) LISTEN to what the patient tells them -
and then they EVALUATE! They fill the patient's mind with
THEIR (sometimes even more aberrated interpretations and
conceptions which are usually completely wrong for the patient.
(in Dianetics, the patient was called a
"Pre-Clear")
In contrast with the above
orthodoxy, starting in 1950 DIANETICS (which I personally found
tedious and uninteresting) and soon after SCIENTOLOGY, the
practitioner called an AUDITOR (one who listens) asked
specific probing QUESTIONS (and only occasionally gave
ATTENTION-directing "commands") and then the auditor LISTENED to
the Pre-Clear's self discoveries. With questions, the
Pre-clear's attention was led to SELF-examine his own thinking and,
hopefully, come to HIS OWN cognitions, HIS OWN clearer
interpretations of what he finds there; SELF-evaluation. Not the
auditor's evaluation.
In no way can the above DIFFERENCE
be dismissed as minor. Analyze the preceding and make up your mind.
There was NO MIND CONTROL in those 1950s Scientology "auditing"
techniques. Just the opposite.
But there was and is direct,
damaging MIND CONTROL in what Psychiatrists and many Psychology
therapists do today, EVALUATING, putting their own ideas into the
minds of their (usually) very aberrated patients... ultimately even
making them worse off, because the patients are not allowed to
COGNITE on their own.
If that technique of practitioner
NON-EVALUATION came from Crowley, we should cheer Crowley's
contribution. I don't think it did.
For God's sake, from the above, please
don't get the idea I'm trying to sell you or anyone else on
Scientology of today! There are simpler, less expensive methods to
arrive at SELF discovery than even the (effective) Scientology
techniques hinted at above. If we didn't think that, my wife and I
might have remained in Scientology far longer.
Instead of the general MOTIVATION we
were each expected to share in those earlier days; of assisting
the CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY in pre-clears, Hubbard later
steered Scientology into "space opera" techniques (that
infatuated movie stars like John "Revolting"). I may be mistaken,
but apparently Hubbard couldn't get ENOUGH joiners who just wanted to
improve their human abilities, so he (like Sitchin did in his field)
invented new EXOTIC, exciting directions.
My history in Scientoogy... In
1955 I gave up an art job in Chicago, idealistically volunteering my
cartooning abilities to help COMMUNICATE Scientology "concepts"
more simply, from their Washington headquarters. What did I find?
Hubbard was living abroad and the Washington based headquarters was
nearly broke! Working for a less-than-my-rent pittance, I
ground out sketches in the old building's attic, but also had to
devote part of each day in the basement wrapping and shipping books!
My drawings? The 1955 headquarters was so destitute they couldn't
afford to publish them without permission and special funds from
overseas Hubbard. The permission was granted but the funds never
arrived. Disillusioned, I eventually resigned, took advanced
Scientology training and returned to Chicago. That didn't make me
bitter, just wiser.
Since those apparently rather
"innocent" years when I was involved in Scientology, apparently
much has changed and Hubbard too, changed for the worse - and
some nefarious characters moved in and became part of the Scientology
hierarchy. If I learned correctly, Hubbard later became a mental
incompetent and those new "masters," for years supposedly kept
him isolated in some guarded mansion, denying family members and
minor Scentology members access. They also issued orders, made
pronouncements and statements FOR him long after he no longer could.
Eventually they announced his death.(Or did he die earlier?)
A recent investigation by the
"Spotlight" newspaper revealed that the group of lawyers (Non
Scientologists) who managed the "care" of reclused Hubnbard in
his final years, signed over ALL the financial assets in Scientology,
many millions of dollars, to themselves. Also OWNERSHIP of all
Scientology copyrights, books, etc. The Scientology organization
today and its members, legally own nothing that Hubbard wrote and are
financially broke.
Here seems the only INDIRECT connection I
see to the HE coverup....
As I mentioned earlier, apparently that
same group of lawyers also have allegiance to Israel's MOSSAD -
which in turn is an active asset of the Rothschild-Rockefeller
Bilderberger branch of the Illuminati. Unless one has been a long
time reader of the "Spotlight," you may not know that when Israel
was established, Lord Rothschild dispatched members of his private
global secret service to STAFF Israel's first secret service. Later
it was renamed the MOSSAD. From the start those first agents had dual
loyalty to Lord Rothschild first and Israel second. Check it out and
see if you can find any other researchers, including Icke, who will
attest to the preceding. End of preliminary comments
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Terry, after I go through the
printed material, as I said above, I'll get back to you with any new
opinions. Much of the material may be valid, but I am astonished at
how much HATE issues from the writers. I knew L. Ron Hubbard
Jr only casually at the 1955 Scientology headquarters. Not my kind of
person. They called him "Nibs." Some of us ordinary mortal
employees and students looked at him as Hubbard's "outcast" son
who was given minor non-management jobs in the U.S. organization to
keep him busy. Wouldn't blame Nibs for being bitter toward his
father. But that magazine interview he gave, so far, is
incredible! - Dick Fojut