Scientology to Terry
Terry (from Dick Fojut)...
Scientology is way off topic. Has
absolutely NOTHING to do with the HE, so I'll try to make this as
brief(?) as I can and then drop the subject - as we should also be
doing with the criticisms of Mormonism. But, since other members
have possibly gone to the Scientology URLs and read parts, I think I
should comment...
Understand that I quit Scientology
in 1960, disillusioned and also "bothered" by the different
"direction" Hubbard had begun to shift to in the LATE 1950s and
early 1960s - and over private disgust of apparent nasty
actions we heard were being carried out by new people running
the national organization. Hubbard was still responsible of
course.
Also, my wife and I had come to a
conviction that the assurances of Hubbard of GREAT BENEFITS from
Scientology "processing" were **GREATLY
EXAGGERATED. ** "Expanded" consciousness could be achieved
through other avenues without devoting the enormous time and expense
that Scientology had come to require. I'm not a promoter of current
Scientology, but I cannot dismiss my past memories of good achieved
from it in the 1950s. And I remain convinced that Psychiatrists and
clinical Psychologists (with a few exception I have read about) are
way off base about the mind and Beingness. And their common "mental
therapies" given to the generally sick people they usually work
with, are very poor and get poor results. Any well trained
Scientologist (or earlier Dianetics) 1950s practitioner, achieved
real and superior improvements with similar disturbed people. But,
by 1955 (I was happy to find) that Scientology had shifted away from
working with mentally disturbed people, to concentrate instead on
"making the able more able." "The creation of
human ability." Helping already able (normal) people
improve themselves, leaving the sick minds once more exclusively to
the Psychiatrists and clinical Psychologists
**Terry, about the Scientology URL
material you provided... ** I read all the approximately 60
pages printed off.. I'm also an alternate history "buff."
You don't know me. There's no reason to give any credence to what I
write. But here are my opinions about the incredibly ugly
material I just finished reading...
Some of the negative claims
about L. Ron Hubbard's past involvement with Crowley, drugs, "black
magic," etc., his exaggerations about his early life, even his
overnight "invention" of Dianetics "session" examples for his
first book, may be true. I have no knowledge one way or other.
But I was very familiar with Scientology during the 1950s (apparently
the major period most discussed in all the material).
In my opinion, the majority of the other material I read
is FALSE.
The writer, Lawrence Wollersheim (or
Jon "Atack"?, says he is a "recovering Scientologist."
Bunk. The guy writing the "Hubbard and The Occult"
paper reveals himself as pitifully unfamiliar and ignorant. What
he knows appears to have come from a few (very few) books and tapes.
He appears to me to have gotten his material mostly from OTHER
detracting authors' books (about Scientology books and tapes) that he
has selectively extracted from. To me, his clumsy unfamiliarity shows
up on every page. An outside book "expert." I don't know,
but It is also possible he may have paid a big bundle for personal
Scientology processing sessions in the past, didn't get the
results he wanted and is determined to punish "the bastards" who
"robbed him" of his money. This is a bitter writer.
The 2nd, shorter ("bravely"
unsigned) paper, "Ron the Nut," with a few POSSIBLE(?) true
accusations is a cesspool of rumors, written with cesspool words by a
truly hate filled writer with a cesspool mind. I give more credence
to Wollersheim.
Both the authors draw from L.
Ron Hubbard Jr ("Nibs") in his incredible 1983 Penthouse
interview. I'm incredulous about the things "Nibs" said about
his father AND about Scientology itself! How even a bitter, disowned
and outcast son could pour out that kind of venom, surprised me. To
get a big check from Penthouse, did he decide he had to give them a
BIG story? I was particularly disgusted with what he said
about Scientology in the 1950s and specifically during the time I was
at the Washington headquarters in 1955. Terry, "Nibs" (his
nickname) is LYING! So many lies I have trouble remembering. A
few....
"Nibs" said Scientology
and Scientology techniques is built around SEX, SEX, SEX.. That's a
total lie. "Nibs" has invented it. Go through Scientology
books published during those same years you won't find anything like
that. Sex was just another normal body function like eating and
breathing and given no more importance in general auditing
techniques. In fact, I cannot recall ANY auditing questions (or
"commands") that contained anything even mentioning "Sex"
during the 1950s. Unless some person being "processed" went out
of their way telling his "auditor he had some big Sex problem, it
was irrelevant If "Nibs" father was so hung up on SEX why
wasn't it shown in auditing "processes," classes, books, tapes
and Professional Bulletins, all of which Hubbard personally wrote or
said? It wasn't. "Nibs" claim it was, is his fantasy.
Because I know "Nibs" is lying about this, I am led to suspect
he's lying about MUCH of what else he told the Penthouse interviewer.
What else may be TRUE, I do not know..
He also claimed NO
(trained) member dare quit Scientology, especially from classes
"Nibs" taught. (I was unaware :Nibs" taught any classes, but
possibly he did later). They would be hunted down, threatened,
smeared, even beaten or worse, according to "Nibs." My wife
and I officially quit in 1960, and sent headquarters insulting
letters telling them why. We were never harassed. Never
approached and never talked to. Just kept on the damned advertising
MAILING LIST for the rest of our lives it looks like! We have
friends, longtime former Scientologists who also eventually quit. and
they were NEVER bothered. Just ignored. So, from my knowledge and
theirs, "Nibs" again, was LYING to the interviewer.
**"Nibs" also
claimed HE originated much of the processing techniques and training
during the 1950s, and was running the organization and trained
thousands. ** That's pure paranoia; "delusion of
grandeur," if he really believes that! As Hubbard Sr., in
England during 1995 especially, came up with new thoughts and
techniques each day, he would phone or send them as quickly as
possible to headquarters instructors (whom I knew), not to his son.
Though "Nibs" may have made some speeches somewhere, sometime, I
can't recall ANY speeches, books, papers, tapes, etc., coming from
"Nibs." People respected him as Hubbard's son, but I knew
no one who thought "Nibs" was a thinker or had the mental
qualities of his father. Just Hubbard's son "hanging
around."
"Nibs" and the
writers of the other papers made a big thing of Hubbard making
Scientology a "religion." (Not with himself as some
"Jesus" like leader. That's another ridiculous invention by
"Nibs." Had my wife and I gotten that impression, we would have
quit a lot sooner). SURE, he registered Scientology as a
"religion." Yes, that bothered people like me, brought up as a
Catholic in my childhood, whose image of a "religion"
required a regular Priest or Pastor. But , remember this;
Scientology, from its start had been constantly harassed by
Government agents, the FDA, IRS, FBI, and the Washington
headquarters was raided several times by "swat" like teams,
taking away stacks of files to look for "evidence."
What "evidence?" Anything to help them make charges of
"PRACTICING MEDICINE WITH A LICENSE," as giving processing
"therapy" was considered by the AMA and the Psychiatry and
Psychology organizations. Dianetics first, then Scientology were
COMPETITION. The FDA and other government agencies cooperated.
Individual Scientologists were being similarly harassed, even
arrested across the country in the early 1950s. Scientology was their
enemy. Theyve done similarly to practitioners of "alternative
medicine."
Part
of that continuing harassment came from a regular succession of
books, magazine and newspaper stories smearing Hubbard and
Scientology as a worthless con game, full of crooked
"practitioners." Some of that material provided source
material for "Ron the Nut" and "Hubbard and the Occult." I'm
not saying all of it is false. Parts may have truth in them. What
parts? Who can be sure?
So
when Hubbard Sr. registered Scientology as a religion, it WAS (though
never stated so in print) to PROTECT it and the members from the
government. We all realized this and went along. But, Scientology
dealt with the SPIRIT, the BEING of man, which made it as legitimate
to be called a "Church," as other minor "churches" you are
all familiar with. But what Scientology DIDN"T get was a
religious TAX DEDUCTION status. The government denied
that.
But Scientology has TAX DEDUCTION status NOW. And government agencies
no longer raid, harass and arrest. WHY? After "Nibs"
sex-addict father died and the surrounding group of clever lawyers
got control of Hubbard's many millions ("Nibs" lost his court bid
to get some of it), and the MOSSAD now looked on Scientology
as a useful asset, a "miracle" happened! Our IRS,
persuaded by Israeli spokesmen that Scientology was now run by
"better" people, awarded them religious tax deduction status.
Wake up folks, that one country has much more influence over our
government than the Scottish Masonic Order.
Tens of
thousands of people are in present day Scientology and must be
getting something beneficial from the current techniques. But if they
are doing SEX, SEX, SEX and being subjected to heavy SATANIC mind
control, even being murdered as "Nibs" would like us to believe,
I have no opinion.
But
about "Nibs" claims about such things in the 1950s - when he and
I were in the 1955 Washington headquarters at the same time - he is
simply NOT telling the full truth.
- Dick. Now lets drop the damned subject. Just not
worth discussing. I put Scientology aside over 40 years ago and would
like to leave it there.