Dear Hollow Earth Folk,
In the url above is a page of Believers and Dis-Believers of Contributors
in the Hollow Earth, which appear on the Onelight.com pages.
I will be creating another page for Hollow Earther Believers and Dis-Believers
to be added to the Onelight.com pages, for those who wish to be added
from the Hollow Earth community at large.
On that page forthcoming all who wish can tell the world why they 'believe'
the Earth is hollow or not.
Please make all statements as to your belief, are very succinct and communicative
(i.e. spelling, good grammar, direct).
I will be making comments as to this secondary page for Believers/Disbelievers
in the next few days.
PS. you will only have one statement, therefore make it your highest.
Greg
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I firmly believe in the existence of stratified "cavern worlds" and
anomalous levels, as the scientific and circumstantial evidence
indicates this to be the case.
If you read my work entitled "Echoes of the World Cauldron"
(online or in CCCC), you will find that I was one of the FIRST
researchers to correlate certain pieces of folklore, mythological
and religious data, and scientific evidence in support of the
possibility of a hollow earth (not "cavern worlds," but a true
hollow earth). I am NOT a "disbeliever," and surely you should
have known better than to label me as such; but be that as it
may, you can call me a "hollow earth agnostic, leaning strongly
toward belief."
NOT a disbeliever, though. I think I'm a little more open-minded
than that. I do, however, like to see evidence along the lines of
that which Dean de Lucia and Jan Lamprecht often present.
Mike,
It is not so much to be a believer that the world is hollow, it is more to the point that we, as children, are of a species which has been kept at a distance due to among all things - the poisoning of our minds by radiation. To impact this we have accepted that the Earth is full of molten lava. Right or wrong, we have never been given the position in the last 80 years to reach the conclusion that the earth is solid or hollow. In this sense, the magician's trick is clearly- that the Earth is hollow with the firmanent being the inner shell.
If we 'illuminated ones' can not decipher this simple trick - that if you tell one that the earth is solid - or some thing is solid - therefore the opposite is the obvious truth.
Therefore I intend to announce that unless HE researchers see 'this trick' they have been tricked by the dark magician and will not be able to think freely and unconditionally.
It is not that you or I or anyone has agreed to a falsehood - it is more that we have not had the opportunity to see the true nature of earth through a child's mind. The earth plane contains a myriad of captivating places with their corresponding stories, and to deny that the Earth is hollow, is to deny our true innocence and awareness. Is that not heaven, to return as a child? Is it not the imagination leading us through the storm? Is not the shell, the weight that lies upon it, that hides out the inner light of freedom?
Surely the core of the Inner Earth must contain the higher order, its structure is perfection, it leads to the gateways of Godhood to the mystical oceans and the center of the stars that weave a dance around the Central Sun. This the hidden and divine design. Those who have entered HE - need no religion - for they have discovered the holy spirit within.
If you wish to be placed in the category of 'Believers', I would embrace this. But, as you can see there are soooo many people who are on these lists, that we converse with who entertain their doubts for 'who?'. Certainly not themselves. Are there powers that are trying to stop mankind from knowing - or believing the Earth is hollow?
There is great difficulty for people who have studied this topic for many years, now, to see others who are often times more learned in the theme of the subterranean, more vocal, having their works published - who still will not tell the world - the Earth is Hollow!!!
Why is this Mike?
How can anything be done - how can a group = a Hollow Earth Researchers Community, which we compose of - how can we get other people, outside our community - as a whole will help - finance research and expeditions to visit the Inner Earth realms, if we do not act as ONE FORCE? I have no doubt that if surface people have their hearts in the right place and equip themselves with great understanding, that the Inner Earth people will help - they will!
So we're "illuminated ones," eh? Is that the position from which
you make your ever-subjective pitch, the position of those who
have been historically responsible or credited with
DISINFORMATION, SUPPRESSION OF KNOWLEDGE, and
MANIPULATION? I for one would not want to claim an affiliation
or connection to those who see themselves as "illuminated."
To "think freely" is to swallow everything you say about the hollow
earth, without any proof whatsoever, right? Yes, how
"free-thinking" that is! Of course, to question it is to be "misled,"
"tricked by the dark magician," somehow "spiritually inferior" and
unenlightened--er, "unilluminated," and so on, right? It is most
fortunate for us that we have your "illuminated" presence to light
our way through the squalid darkness, I guess.
" When I was a child I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I
thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish
things." Facts over fantasy (no matter how "fantastic" the facts
may seem), proof and OBJECTIVE EXAMINATION OF FACTS
AND EVIDENCE--which can still prove the incredible to be
TRUE--these are the methods which must ultimately be used
and relied upon in order to both discover and PROVE the truth.
Creative thought or thinking is not always the same as
"imagination," nor is fiction interchangeable with the truth. I think
that pure "imagination" may in fact be the problem, in this
instance.
Ok, Greg, if you say so it must be true, right?
There are always conspiracies to suppress knowledge, and
evidence or suspicions of conspiracies. But this has nothing to
do with using purely subjective "astrally-perceived" techniques to
define reality. This is NOT proof, but delusion. Only when such
"astral viewings" CORRESPOND OR CORRELATE TO
PROVABLE FACTS OR REALITY, i.e., hard evidence, should they
receive any serious consideration.
People "tell the world" all the time. I told it in a section of my
book. Jan Lamprecht wrote a whole book about it. Dennis
Crenshaw has been saying it for years, and dozens of other
writers have done the same. What exactly are you talking about?
Are you trying to "rally everyone to the flag," Greg? Is that it? Has
the time come for the unveiling of the great and omniscient
"hollow earth messiah," and you believe that you are he?
What's the angle, anyway? I mean, REALLY the angle?
Greg, I like you. You have a great willingness to help others at
times, and a GREAT imagination. You are a VERY TALENTED
PAINTER and artist as well. You enrich the world by being in it.
But....
Are you bucking for a position or mantle of self-designated
"leadership" in HET research? Is that what this is really about?
Are those who dare to challenge your purely subjective views
("astral experiences") termed "unbelievers," "heretics" to an
ever-evolving pseudo-religion of your own devising? Maybe
those of us who "dare" to question you are unbelievers, but only
unbelievers of PURELY SUBJECTIVE "experiences" which have
no basis in folklore, myth, history, witness accounts, literature,
geology, or the sciences (or alternative scientific views) at all.
Are we all just expected to embrace your interesting mixture of
EST/TM/Shastafarian/channeled "truth" with open arms, take
your word for it, and assume that you alone, of all human beings
on Earth, are privy to some sort of subjective, unprovable,
pseudo-mystical yet irrefutable proof? Without EVIDENCE OF
ANY KIND? Is it about TRUTH, or is it about ATTENTION?
Which is it, Greg?
I fondly recall the "experiment" that I TRIED to get you to conduct
on fantasticreality, one which would have been a "double-blind"
type with some sort of objectivity to it. You refused to do this, and
"fed" Leslee information in great detail, telling her what she
would find. Instead, she found NOTHING OF THE KIND. Which
of you is "accurate," or "truly remote viewing?" YOU COULDN'T
HAVE BOTH BEEN CORRECT. Let me guess: the same space
was perceived, but different "vibrational levels," right?
Convenient, if not clear.
As someone on that list pointed out, you stated that you received
your "information" on "MIKOS" the "Catharian" from a lady psychic
who has "channeled" and "viewed" it all for you. BUT THIS SAME
LADY COULDN'T LOCATE YOUR STOLEN BICYCLE, RIGHT?
She can see deep into the Earth, converse with a wise, friendly,
inscrutable giant in a "cell" of stone who has all the answers (but
whom can't be proven one way or the other to actually exist), but
SHE CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE YOUR BICYCLE IS, OR WHO
STOLE IT. Fundamentally, something seems "broken" here to
me.
Guess what: Undermining GENUINE RESEARCH or
researchers, who rely on EVIDENCE and VERIFIABLE FACTS,
won't elevate delusion (or fabrication?) to a place of prominence.
It just won't happen.
Some people may very well HAVE "remote-viewing" abilities, but
WHO CARES? My experience and research tell me that such
"abilities," if they exist, are easily manipulated, fed
disinformation, fooled by the "unseen," etc. There also seems to
be a tendency to "tell people what they want to hear." Particularly
so long as "what one WANTS to hear doesn't refute or dispute
WHAT YOU SAY." I'd like to think that "it" is there (I feel that it IS),
but I need PROOF. I need LOGIC AND FACTS in order to make it
"worthwhile." I think that imagination may enter into and distort
or "color" even supposedly "genuine" "remote viewing" or
"psychic" visions. The whole thing is JUST TOO SUBJECTIVE
AND NON-PROVABLE, even IF IT SOMETIMES EXISTS or
happens.
Don't get me wrong. I've had some seemingly paranormal and
psychic experiences myself, sometimes with other people
sharing the experience! BUT IT IS STILL NOT USEFUL AS
EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING, SINCE IT IS TOTALLY SUBJECTIVE.
It would also tend to DISCREDIT any hard evidence and
research, for most people. You're concerned with "reaching
people," "getting the truth out," etc.? TRY USING GENUINE
EVIDENCE, LOGIC, PERSUASIVE FACTUALLY-BASED
ARGUMENTS, and so on. Otherwise, you might as well be
talking about Smurfs, the Easter Bunny, and if the Hulk is
tougher than Superman, or vice-versa: At least as far as "the
world" is concerned, anyway.
Try logic, facts, deductive reasoning, documentation and
documented sources, witness accounts, geological anomalies,
and so on. Otherwise you're just whistlin' Dixie in a wind-tunnel.
***Mike. Why have you found an interest in this subject and millions have n=
ot. This is a small group, objectively I would like you to reason that you a=
re 'illuminated' sufficeintly to actually look below your feet. I would add =
Dennis here as well. But, neither have you have spoke of the paradiscial wor=
lds that lay below the caverns, not even in pockets. Demons, reptilians, gho=
sts - for what? - I think these are dead ends - a superficial understanding =
(fangs - big deal) - the real juice is finding paradise within our souls and=
within the Earth. God has created a world for humans to now, enter into the=
adventure. It will take time - but I sincerely believe that anger - mainly =
translates from fear - not from righteous understanding (if there is such an=
animal).
I am just worn out that I can not get out of you two - the dignified respon=
se that the Earth is hollow. Is this my battle?
Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom =
of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
According to whom? How do we know what is the make up of the Inner Earth, w=
e have experential value only through dreams and astral travel. No person ha=
s gone inside and come back, and willing shared this with us, information - =
that I know. If so - lead me to that person.
***Pure imagination is the point of awareness. It is difficult to accept on=
paper, yet, when one reaches the center of pure imagination - another wall =
falls down.
Can you truly say you have experienced pure imagination?
If so, we would be having a much different talk.
***I say so, and it is a dance many of us love. Would care to join us Mike?=
I would be sparing with the word - delusion. You have used it before, and i=
t is not tendered with caution, you could wake up quicker than you wish.
***who cares??!! Unless you have astral projected your self - this informat=
ion would fall on deaf ears. Do you think we astral projectors are insane???=
Well, if so, perhaps you should read the few hundred books I make available=
at my web site. Don't be ignorant Mike.
Read the question again...we are not communicating here...
***Absolutely correcto - one big energy boom. Angels in force. But I guess =
folk like you and Dennis, are more than happy to keep any thought force blow=
ing a hole into this - little game tit for tat. I wonder how long you can ke=
ep it up. Go into the Hollow Earth now Mike - see the light!
***Let's us not mince words here Mike. I am God, I am Jesus Christ, I am yo=
u and I am everyone and everything. Do I wish you were closer to the light??=
Yes, because I think you are brave and wise and democratic and you care abo=
ut people. And you have texture in your color of spirit!
Stop being such a paranoid little whimp!
Er sure Mike, is there an error here???
If you want to see it that way - sure I will play the role of leader. I thi=
nk all the bickering about zero - is turning more people off than not. The c=
ore is - no one wants to lead the challenge to the bigger parties that make =
agendas. No one wants to take this to congress, to the UN, to the parties th=
at can really do some thing.
Is that toooo much to ask for???
****I know, sounds kind of cultic. But, we have been down this road before.=
Many times. Each time I have to say - hey no cults. In the end all the scie=
ntific talk never leads the tribes to the Inner Earth paradise. Do I want th=
at to start now? Yes I do! I want you and Dean and Jan and Dennis - say - le=
t's get a lot of people interested! Let's excite people to get intersted in =
some thing MORE than a Hollow Earth religion - let's get people excited that=
they are 'one' in the Hollow Earth.
Have you been inside Mike? No, not yet. Will you? Hmmm...waiting...waiting
***NO, do not look at me. Look at yourselves - you are the divine master - =
you are ALL. Is it not enough to ask permisson of your higher self - to allo=
w you to have a peek. When is the last time you have asked JC - or Shiva - t=
ake your choice - what is it 'like' in the Inner Earth?
That is evidence. Do you think it is easy - truly knowing the essence of th=
e Inner Earth? It takes a steady heart and mind. It is a treasure well prote=
cted. And if I did not think you were not capable of this, would I even be t=
alking now(?).
Nope. I wanted Leslee to take a look for me. I already knew what I was look=
ing for. It only became 'your' experiment when you grabbed it under my nose.=
Gentleman that I am, I did not browbeat you with this. After all FR is your=
list. I humbly apologize for any rude remark I made concerning this experim=
ent.
Someone less fortunate than me now owns a very good bike. That is all. Do n=
ot confuse this with the psychic's knowing. She has helped me in other matte=
rs. I am in telepathic contact with her helpers when I want to. Believe you =
me, there are some doors you want to keep closed, till you are ready.
That is why being a student of this phenomena takes a great amount of time =
to develop powers of discernment. Ever tried to map infinity??
If you say so. But, then for someone who has never studied this in depth - =
you will either deny other peoples' studies - finding them ludicrous - or yo=
u will eventually look into them. Use yourself as the point of awareness - d=
epend on your own supernatural skills...sit and watch..we are surrounded by =
spirits...
You are correct. Imagination has to be deciphered, as do dreams. The real m=
eat is often times, hard to collect. But, there are times when you get whack=
ed, and there is no denying - you know.
Facts and logic are not stepping stones to heaven - they are small minds ta=
lking to small minds...the burden of proof is in the experience - when one e=
nters heaven - logic is destroyed...
OK. Subjectively One? Do you not think that others can communicate the one =
experience - or is differentiated matter the only play you have?
I am on a mystical journey as are all people who are living in reality.
My truths are subjective - this subjective whole which is nature speaking t=
o us through the vacuum of the past. Nature wants us to join in the state of=
exaltation.
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Believers and the Dis-Believers - more
Greg,
The study of underground cryptoids is also important. They seem to be active
on the surface, and seem to be engaging in wholesale kidnapping. Somebody
has to sound the alarm.
When I first came to Brazil, there was a lady who claimed hat she had been
abducted by a big foot type creature and and that she was its concubine
underground. She even told a little bit about the family and social
atructure of the being. She seemed sincere about her presentation, but I
found it too new and shocking at the time to follow up on. There is one
person here who might know about her- If I can get in contact with her one
day, I will.
Dean,
There is the minister in Arizona I was trying to track down, but he changed his phone number. He was working for the military at one time and was being trained to talk to Inner Earth folk - i.e. giants, reptilians. I often wondered how deep he went.
I think he may have become spooked.
I did find his address.
I think it was more than adequate in terms of demonstrating to
everyone exactly where you're coming from, when it comes to HE
research.
Since, by your own admission, you are God and therefore
omniscient, then you no doubt know all the answers. You
probably even know where your bicycle is. I stand corrected.
I wish you luck on your great illuminated spiritual awakening of
one. Unless of course everyone or anyone else here wants to
join your little Church of the Inward Dream. I'm afraid that I must
remain a heretic, however, and stick with the facts and figures in
order to get to the Truth.
BTW, if you are God, or Jesus, or Shiva (as you sometimes
write), then why do you even bother to "research" through astral
travel? Don't you already "know" everything by virtue of your
godhood? Why do you contact ministers in Arizona, or anyone
else, anywhere, for information? As God, you should have it all,
your awareness would permeate all things.
It seems that this "paranoid wimp" must have hit a nerve with my
observation that you are longing for worshippers at the altar of
your (longed-for) cult of personality. I'm sorry, I've already got a
religion and don't need a pale imitation. At least you more or
less admitted that I was correct in my observation, which means
a lot, coming from God.
If the Earth is hollow, it has remained mostly unknown due to
geographical and geological difficulties and obstacles, which
may have recently been compounded by the interference and
obfuscation of secret societies and government agencies (of
many governments). Since you are God, just put an authoritative
end to all of this interference, and will into existence a
superhighway or span of bridges which lead into the interior.
Why waste your time on lists like this, after all? PROVE your
power and authority and wisdom to all of us by simply "making it
so."
THAT might get my attention, after all. It would be merciful,
awfully god-like of you also, because until then, I'll just have to
struggle along under the weight of my insufficiently deductive
intellect.
Absolutely correcto - one big energy boom. Angels in force. But I
guess
folk like you and Dennis, are more than happy to keep any
thought force
blowing a hole into this - little game tit for tat. I wonder how long
you
can keep it up. Go into the Hollow Earth now Mike - see the
light!
Ok, I did this. Thanks for the recommendation! Now I
understand!
Staring at a scrambled cable tv signal for many minutes, I was
rewarded with the sharp "ping" at the base of my skull, then I
was out of my body! Soaring swiftly aloft, I saw the Earth below
me like a blue-green jewel. The oceans were filled with glowing
green consciousnesses of the wise and peaceful whales, the
energies of the gentle orcas in particular flaring brightly
whenever they would crunch upon a moist and tender sea-lion
ravioli (karmically their doubles--the prey will be incarnated as
predators, soon enough). The negative energies of vile
humanity clustered along the shorelines of the world with an
angry red glare, compounded by their deluded pursuits into the
sciences, medicine, the arts, and so on, but I scarcely paid them
any attention as I turned my mind, and astral eyes, toward the
northern reaches of the globe, my silver cord stretching beneath
me like a kite-string.
Soon I saw it, a dark and indistinct smudge which seemed to
shimmer and skitter between Greenland and the Barents Sea
like a shifting shadow. It could not escape my astral attention,
however, and I plunged toward it fearlessly, seeing both the
boreal winds and the aurora as astral ribbons of flaming colors.
Soon the ocean fell away, and great mists rose all about me as I
plunged directly into the center of the HOLE.
Suddenly the hole constricted tightly, and became a tunnel, not
what I had expected at all! Soon I was more or less walking
along a stream-bed, and came abruptly to an antique turnstile
set directly in my path. There was a hole in the wall, and through
this hole extended a hand the size of a sofa, one titanic finger on
the turnstile. I approached with caution.
"Token, please," a huge voice boomed. I dug into my pockets,
but since I was in my astral body, this was a pointless effort,
'cause I had none. I shrugged apologetically.
"I don't have a token. This is my first trip here."
"Newbie, eh?" The giant boomed. The rock walls shook.
Looking up, I saw another hole, from which a huge eye regarded
me. It was bloodshot and pale, somewhat rheumy. "If you don't
have the token, you must answer three questions or three
riddles, or any combination thereof. Otherwise you cannot pass.
I must warn you, however; these questions are only for the truly
adept, the initiate of the deepest mysteries of this hollow world.
To fail to answer correctly is to relinquish all claim upon your
quest for knowledge in this regard!"
"Very well," I replied. "Shoot."
"First question, then: What is my name? And don't say
Rumpelstiltskin."
Now this was a difficult question. It wasn't even a riddle!
Fortunately, I recalled the wise words of an astral-travel-adept,
who had once said on a discussion-list:
'If we 'illuminated ones' can not decipher this simple trick - that if
you tell one that the earth is solid - or some thing is solid -
therefore the opposite is the obvious truth. Grasshoppah.' Or
something to this effect, anyway.
I understood! I addressed the Giant with confidence. "My first
guess would be that you are Mikos the Catharian--but I know that
you are, in fact, Sokim the Rathacian!"
"THAT IS CORRECT! Now I long to grind your bones to make
me crumpets!" The walls shook as the giant Sokim shifted his
weight behind them, and he shook a massive finger at me.
Some sort of crab, the size of a walnut, clung tenaciously to a
dark brown sludge under his fingernail. His voice boomed
again.
"Next question: What am I doing with my other hand?"
Now this was a stumper, and I knew how Gollum must have felt
when Bilbo asked him "What have I got in my pocket?" I thought
long and hard on this one, listening to the throaty, rasping
breathing of the giant behind the wall. It even seemed that I
could hear his heartbeat, a distant, deep, steady pounding,
pounding, pounding. Suddenly, I realized just what he was
doing with his other hand, and I told him my guess!
"You are CORRECT AGAIN, O Mortal! For once, I was human
even as you, but I spent my days and nights in complete,
self-absorbed, mastubatory delusion, massaging my own ego
and mind as others massage more procreative members! Now
I am cursed and reconditioned to eternally pull and pound on
something as flaccid and fruitless as my original self-generated
fantasies! Since I have no lubrication, other than the gritty,
muddy sludge of the underearth, this can be quite painful, down
through the ages!"
"Give me the last question," I said. I was losing patience with
this colossal buffoon. Just the thought of him sitting back there
in the dark, doing what he was doing, filled me with a slightly
amused disgust and revulsion.
"O Mortal man, your impudence is great!" Sokim's voice was like
tremulous thunder. He sounded like he was about to cry. "You
are near entering the mysteries of the deep, the land of
enlightened giants such as myself, of which in fact I am but the
least, the gatekeeper only! In order to pass beyond, to access
those enlightened realms and partake of the knowledge
imparted by my more enormous brethren, you must answer this
final riddle--"
But the thought of an entire hollow planet, filled with giant
masturbating clowns such as this one, was just too much.
Suddenly my interest in continuing was gone. I waved my hand
in dismissal.
"This astral viewpoint is entirely disheartening and insufficient. I
will return to the surface world and continue to attempt to
understand the mysteries of the inner earth from a logical
research perspective. Sorry to have bothered you." I began to
recede up the tunnel, extracted by my own will to leave; the giant
sputtered in confusion, and the turnstile was quickly lost to sight.
So now I am back in this surface world, where mysteries abound
as well, and I am resigned to continue on my previous course of
careful scrutiny and critical appraisal of data.
We are indeed. If you say so, anyway, since a solipsist viewpoint
might say:
True enough. After two fantasy novels and additional fiction, as
well as numerous art exhibits over the years, I am only NOW
finally "enlightened" as to finding the "center of pure
imagination." Apparently "pure imagination" is at its most pure
when it becomes a substitute for reality! And all this
time I thought that fiction and fact would remain distinct and
differentiated!
Therefore, I feel quite comfortable in stating that my own "astral
voyage" into the hollow earth is TRUE. Who can prove
otherwise, after all?
Facts and logic are not stepping stones to heaven - they are
small minds
talking to small minds...the burden of proof is in the experience
when one
enters heaven - logic is destroyed...
Looks to me like logic is sufficiently destroyed right here on
Earth, on a regular basis....
Yes, my astral imagination has shown me the true nature of the
world below!
Thanks for the tip! Now, thanks to my "new and improved"
imagination, I too am "illuminated!"