Dean, To further develop this idea of an inconceivable and, in certain respects, invisible universe, it is important to understand that, just as certain living entities can see in the dark or for a distance of several miles away, there are qualifications for seeing the universe in it's totality. According to all ancient scriptures and civilizations of yore, the universe is a divine manifestation with divine origins. Thus, ordinary eyes cannot perceive it fully without some divine intervention. One good example from the Vedic tradition, again, is the revelation of the universal form to Arjuna by Shri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita. Here's a few quotes describing this divine vision: "O greatest of all personalities, O supreme form, though I see here before me Your actual position, I yet wish to see how You have entered into this cosmic manifestation. I want to see that form of Yours. If You think that I am able to behold Your cosmic form, O master of all mystic power, then kindly show me that universal self. My dear Arjuna, O son of Prtha, behold now My opulences, hundreds of thousands of varied divine forms, multicolored like the sea. Whatever you wish to see can be seen all at once in this body. This universal form can show you all that you now desire, as well as whatever you may desire in the future. Everything is here completely. But you cannot see Me with your present eyes. Therefore I give to you divine eyes by which you can behold My mystic opulence.Arjuna saw in that universal form unlimited mouths and unlimited eyes. It was all wondrous. The form was decorated with divine, dazzling ornaments and arrayed in many garbs. He was garlanded gloriously, and there were many scents smeared over His body. All was magnificent, all-expanding, unlimited. This was seen by Arjuna. At that time Arjuna could see in the universal form the unlimited expansions of the universe situated in one place although divided into many, many thousands. Arjuna said: My dear Krishna, I see assembled together in Your body all the demigods and various other living entities. I see Brahma sitting on the lotus flower as well as Lord Siva and many sages and divine serpents. I see in Your universal body many, many forms-bellies, mouths, eyes-expanded without limit. There is no end, there is no beginning, and there is no middle to all this. Although You are one, You are spread throughout the sky and the planets and all space between. O great one, as I behold this terrible form, I see that all the planetary systems are perplexed. The different manifestations of Lord Siva, the Adityas, the Vasus, the Sadhyas, the Visvadevas, the two Asvins, the Maruts, the forefathers and the Gandharvas, the Yaksas, Asuras, and all perfected demigods are beholding You in wonder. O great one, who stands above even Brahma, You are the original master. Why should they not offer their homage up to You, O limitless one? O refuge of the universe, You are the invincible source, the cause of all causes, transcendental to this material manifestation." In the Vedic tradition it is common understanding that all cannot be seen with the naked eyes. Thertefore, yogis and mystics would go to meditate in the Himalayas for hundreds of years to attain the qualifications necessary to do so. Upon obtaining such qualifications they would also develop psychic and supernatural abilities that would allow them to perform what we would term as magical or even miraculous feats including walking on water, travelling underwater, flying, manifesting physical objects at will, and even travelling to other planets. Such mystics were also able to enter other dimensions of reality. It is also known that the beings on other (higher) planets known as demigods or devas can become invisible to us humans, can change their form, travel to other planets freely, etc. and enjoy durations of life far in excess of our normal human existence. The basic principle is, the more developed the consciousness, the more facilities of universal power are made available to one. However, beyond even this fantastic material universe, which the Vedas describe as being only one of an infinite number of universes, there is also a transcendental region composed of universes and planets of an even higher more subtle structural composition and quality, and the residents there are fully developed in their consciousness and sensual perceptions and experience life as eternity, knowledge and bliss. But that's the subject of another email. BTW, Bhaktivedanta Swami, who I consider to be such an elevated being as mentioned above, once claimed he could see Mt. Meru and some of the other geological structures described in Vedic astrology that are invisible to our mortal eyes. Saul
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Amazon.com: Hollow Earth in the Puranas eBook: Dean Dominic De Lucia: Books
Saul,
I appreciate your encouraging words.
Yes, the Puranic, astronomical descriptions are difficult to decipher, especially the comments about Mount Meru. Mount Meru is supposed to extend from the axis of the Earth all the way up to the top of the universe to the platform known as Brahmaloka. None of this is visible to us, which doesn't mean that it doesn't have, for example, an ethereal existence. But for our purposes, we shouldn't go looking for a real Mount Meru where the hole-like opening is at the North Pole.
Food for thought: The marg or path followed by the Pandavas as they treaded towards heaven after their earthly pastimes came to a close, and from which their mother fell (my goodness!) seems to be the Milky Way.
Also keep in mind that the Bhagavat Puranas refers to the eath in the plural, Bhaktivedanta Swami tanslated one piece as "the earth planets". This no doubt refers to the orbital plane of the solar system, all of the physical planets being "earthly" in this sense.
Admiral Mac Millan sighted a ring of mountains in a mirage across the Arctic thermal strata, coming from the North Pole direction. We can surmise that the opening is akin to the neck of an hourglass, and that there is a mountainous range at the neck of this hourglass opening. It might have been named for Meru in the Vedic literature, just like we have York and New York.
Dean
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> As you know, there are many other descriptions in the Bhagavata Purana of incredibly tall mountainous structures (Mt. Meru, etc.) which are not easily explained in ordinary terms. Whether they are inner earth phenomenon or, alternatively, on a different dimensional sphere of reality, it is always good to keep an open mind with regards to this material universe. We are but tiny creatures in a vast inconceivable creation full of wonderous manifestations beyond our wildest imagination. What we see with our physical eyes is but a tiny fraction of the material reality. Modern science hardly scratches the surface. We can thus barely imagine what the spiritual reality must be like. Saul Porecki (aka Sunanda Das)
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> Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: Amazon.com: Hollow Earth in the Puranas eBook: Dean Dominic De Lucia: Books
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