Dean, I hit the download button, it shoots over to %100 completed, but the
darn thing never opens. This happens quite frequently. My wife thinks I might
need a certain software to open these items.
Madhava,
It's just that Mt. Moncayo article from Sightings- I think that you saw it
before. I can find it again.
I can't imagine why it doesn't just show up on you screen.
The only reason why I sent it is because the allplanetshollow list actually
grew to 8 people. That means that I have to send a little something to
entain the folks, and I guess that I might as well start off with some
background-type info.
The site is now inserted into the Hindu webring, so I am thinking that a lot
of people are going to get exposed and channeled to the list. We'll see.
Keep in touch,
Dharmapada
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The following observations in relation to polar warming were culled from
www.ourhollowearth.com
Observations by north polar explorers indicate that there is indeed a land
in the far north with a subtropical climate heated by a sister sun inside
Our Hollow Earth. For example, Explorer's reports of abundant animal and
bird life in the summer time in the far north indicates a homeland in the
north from which they extend in the summer further south and to which they
are seen to migrate in the fall.
Explorer Hays observed abundant insect life in the far north. When he was in
latitude 78 degrees, 17 minutes in early July he said, "I secured a
yellow-winged butterfly, and--who would believe it--a mosquito...ten moths,
three spiders, two bees and two flies." (The Open Polar Sea, p. 413)
Notice the element of surprise that many explorers expressed resulting from
the discovery of conditions which they weren't expecting.
Explorer Greely, in his book, THREE YEARS OF ARCTIC SERVICE, in Grinnell
Land in June of 1881, reports birds of an unknown species, butterflies,
bumblebees, so many flies they couldn't sleep at night, and temperatures of
47 and 50 degrees at latitude 81 degrees 49 minutes north. He also found
plenty willow to make fire, and much driftwood, (Chapter 26, Vol. I)
A swedish expedition under Otto Torell, found near Trurenberg Bay in the
Arctic Sea, trees floating with green buds on them and among them was found
the seed of the tropical Entada Bean which measured 2.25 inches across.
(Gardner, p. 253)
Explorer Sverdrup at 81 degrees north found so many hares that they named
one inlet, Hare Fiord. Also nearly all expedition parties found enough game
to keep their exploring parties well fed with meat. These included herds of
musk-oxen and reindeer. (Gardner p. 254)
Captain Beechey saw so many birds on the west coast of Spitzbergen that
sometimes a single shot killed thirty of them. (Gardner p. 254)
All explorers observed that not all animals migrate south to escape the cold
Arctic winds in winter, but many instead go north. Where do they go? Greely,
surprised at the tremendous amount of wildlife in a supposed frozen north
wrote, "Surely this presence of birds and flowers and beasts was a greeting
on nature's part to our new home."
Explorer Kane reported seeing several groups of Brent Geese, which is an
American migratory bird, flying NORTHEAST in their wedge-shaped line of
flight at 80 degrees 50' north at Cape Jackson, near Grinnelland in late
June 1854.
Explorer Greely makes this statement of the northward migration of bears,
"Lieutenant Lockwood, in May, 1882, noticed bear tracks (going NORTHEAST) on
the north coast of Greenland, near Cape Benet in 83 degrees 3' N.," and
commented, "...I cannot understand why the bear ever leaves the rich
hunting-field of the 'North Water' for the desolate shores of the
northward." (THREE YEARS, p. 366)
Greely also wrote about the Ross Gull, "...the observations of Murdoch at
Point Barrow show that this bird, in thousands, passes over that point to
the NORTHEAST in October, none of which were seen to return." (THREE YEARS,
p. 383)
Explorer Adolf Erick Nordenskiold, leader of a Swedish expedition, recorded
in THE ARCTIC VOYAGE OF 1858-1878, that on May 23, they saw north of
Amsterdam Island (by Spitzbergen), "great numbers of barnacle geese...flying
towards the NORTHWEST, perhaps to some land more northerly than Spitzbergen.
(There is no such land on our present-day maps) The existence of such a
land," wrote Nordenskiold, "is considered quite certain by the
walrus-hunters, who state that at the most northerly point hitherto reached,
such flocks of birds are seen steering their course in rapid flight yet
farther toward the north." (Gardner, p. 160)
Daines Barrington, in his book, ON THE POSSIBILITY OF APPROACHING THE NORTH
POLE, wrote that observers in Spitzbergen have always noticed in spring,
just before the hatching season, the wild ducks, geese, and other birds, fly
in a northerly direction. There is also a heavy fall migration to the north.
In HEARNES JOURNAL, is told of observations around Hudson's Bay by Hearne of
ten species of geese, particularly the snow goose, blue goose, brent goose,
horned wavy goose, lay their eggs and raise their young in some country
which to Hearne was unknown. Explorers, Indians and Eskimos could never tell
where these fowl bred and it was well known that they never migrated to the
south.
Epes Sargent in his WONDERS OF THE ARCTIC WORLD tells that Franklin's second
expedition saw large numbers of laughing geese migrating to the unknown
north--sure indication of land to the north. And this was observed on the
north coast of Canada latitude 69 degrees 29" N., longitude 130 degrees 19
minutes W., on July 13. (Sargent, p. 163).
Newton in his ARCTIC MANUAL, wrote as follows concerning the migrations of
the Knot, "The knot...in the spring seeks our island (England) in immense
flocks, and after remaining on the coast for about a fortnight, can be
traced proceeding gradually northwards, until finally, it takes leave of us.
It has been noticed in Iceland and Greenland, but not to stay; the summer
there would be too rigorous for its liking, and it goes further and further
north. Whither? Where does it build its nest and hatch its young? We loose
all trace of it for some weeks. What becomes of it?"
"Toward the end of summer back it comes to us in larger flocks than before,
and both old birds and young birds remain upon our coasts until November,
or, in mild seasons even later. Then it wings its flight to the south, and
luxuriates in blue skies and balmy airs until the following spring, then it
resumes the order of its migration." (Gardner pp. 259-260) Surely these
migrations indicate a land further north than Greenland and Spitzbergen with
an ideal climate for the breeding grounds of these migratory birds and
animals.
Many explorers noticed a rise in temperature the farther north they went.
For example, Nansen reported that a northwind in the winter is warmer than a
south wind. On Jan. 18, 1894 at 79 degrees N., Nansen wrote, "It is curious
that there is almost always a rise of thermometer with these stronger
winds...A south wind of less velocity generally lowers the temperature, and
a moderate north wind RAISES it." (FARTHEST NORTH, Vol. I, p. 197) Two
months later on March 4th, Nansen also wrote, "It is curious that now the
northerly winds bring cold and the southerly warmth. Earlier in the winter
IT WAS JUST THE OPPOSITE." This obviously indicates the existence of a
warmer land toward the north from which the warm wind blows in the winter.
" The hollow Earth has been an American belief since the pilgrims first
stepped ashore in New England. Cotton Mather, a prominent New England
clergyman and political figure, wrote in 1721 of an interior land in his
bookThe Christian Philosopher."
From Secrets of the Hollow Earth by Warren Smith
Posted by DD
I have completely forgotten where I got this.
Posted by me,
DD
" But it would not be a European scientist who first brought international
attention to the idea of a world within the earth. That distinction would
go instead to a hot tempered American, a career soldier and man of
action from the state of New Jersey.
The son of a judge, John Cleeves Symmes was born in 1780 and named
for an uncle who had served in the American Revolution. His was hardly
the cloistered life of a scholar, although he enjoyed a solid early
education and was intensely interested in the natural sciences. In 1802,
at the age of twenty-two, he entered the United States Army as an
ensign.
From then on, Symmes life was nomadic and turbulent. In 1807, he
insisted on fighting a duel with a fellow officer who had suggested that
Symmes was not a gentleman. Both men were shot-Symmes in the wrist
and his opponent in the thigh-and suffered from their wounds for the
rest of their lives, during which they became good friends. Symmes
fought courageously against the British in the war of 1812, once leading
his troops in storming a British artillery battery and spiking an enemy
cannon with his own hands.
Symmes left the army in 1816 and established a trading post at St.
Louis. There, with little else on his hands to do, he indulged in his
lifelong passion for reading about the natural sciences. Symmes was
especially fascinated by speculation about the information of the earth,
and he began to elaborate with growing enthusiasts and conviction on a
theory that may have occurred to him years before. By the year 1818
Symmes was ready to share his ideas on an international lecture. He did
so in a most spectacular manner. In a letter addressed "To All the
World" and sent politicians, publications, learned societies, and heads of
state throughout Europe and America, he wrote: "I declare the earth is
hollow, and inhabital within; containing a number of solid concentric
spheres, one within the other, and that it is open at the poles or 16
degrees; I pledge my life, he continued, "in support of this truth, and am
ready to explore the hollow, if the world will support and aid me in the
undertaking."
Symmes assured his readers that he would prove his case in greater
detail with a subsequent publication. For skeptics, he included a
character reference and a testimonial to his sanity signed by local
physicians and businessman. That Symmes asked for "one hundred brave
men companions, well equipped, to start from Siberia in the fall season,
with reindeer, and sleighs, on the ice of the frozen sea; I engage we
find warm and rich land, stocked with thrifty vegetables and animals if
not men, on reaching one degree northward of latitude 82; we will
return in the succeeding spring."
But instead of the support and aid Symmes had requested, the public
responded with hoots of derisive laughter. He told his theory, and his
audacity were ridiculed in newspapers and scientific journals the world
over.
Undeterred, Symmes launched a vigorous campaign newspaper articles,
more open letters, and countless lectures around the country. Over and
over her argued that a mass of spinning, unformed matter-such as the
earth once was-could not have organized itself into a solid sphere.
Centrifugal force throws rotating matter away from the axis of rotation;
gravity pulls it inward. When the forces balance, he said, the result is a
belt of material with the densest matter outermost and the axis open. In
this way, Symmes claimed, the materials of the earth were organized as
concentric, hollow spheres open at the poles.
Symmes marshaled all kinds of evidence, from the astronomical to the
common place, to support his scheme. Look at the concentric rings of
Saturn, the polar caps of Mars, he said; look how a cup of said, rotated,
will sort itself into concentric circles according to its density. He
appealed to religion: Nature, he pointed out, was a great economist of
matter, having opted wherever feasible for hollow construction-hollow
bones, stalks, quills and hairs. Furthermore, he said, God would not have
created a vast inner world only to have it barren and empty. Some how
Symmes reasoned from the general to the particular and developed
specific dimensions for the multiple earths he envisioned. The known
world, the outermost of five, he said, has an opening 4,000 miles across
at the north pole and another, 6,000 miles in diameter, at the South.
One could walk into these openings, for they are inclined into the earth's
thousand-mile-thick crust at a gentle angle. Anyone who did so would
find within a gentle, sheltered land warmed by the indirect rays of the
sun shining in at the polar portholes.
Symmes spoke relentlessly to all who would listen to him, poring out
great, disorganized jumbles of his thought. His fervent speeches drew
large crowds of the curious but, for the most part, elicited only
amusement or mild interest instead of cash for his arctic expedition. He
did make a few converts, however-among whom the most significant
were an Ohio newspaper editor named Jeremiah N. Reynolds, who began
giving his own lectures in support of Symmes's theories, and a wealthy
Ohioan named James McBride. It may well have been McBride who
requested Kentucky Senator Richard M. Johnson-who later served as
vice president in the administration of Martin Van Buren-to introduce in
Congress a petition for funding the proposed expedition. It was tabled.
McBride then compiled a book summarizing, in a more concise and logical
fashion than Symmes ever did, the theory of concentric spheres (which
was more popularly and rudely referred to as Theory of Symmes's Hole).
But it was all for nothing. The strain of ten years of vigorous
proselytizing broke Symmes's health, and he died in 1829 without seeing
his theory accepted or his expedition mounted.
Symmes had clearly hoped that his quest would bring him monumental
renown. Indeed using the pen name of Captain Adam Seaborn, he
published in 1820 a fictional account of a voyage to the earth's interior,
entitled Symzonia; Voyage of Discovery, in which he spelled out the
class of glory he hoped would be his. As Captain Seaborn prepares to
land at a subterranean utopia peopled with gentle, fair skin beings, he
muses: "I was about to secure to my name a conspicuous and
imperishable place on the tablets of History, and a niche of the first
order in the temple of fame....The voyage of Columbus was but an
excursion on a fish pond, and his discoveries, compared with mine, were
but trifles."
That of course was not the way the world saw it, and after his death
Symmes's vision of a hollow earth was nearly forgotten. The polar
expedition he had so long espoused, however was another matter.
In fact, Congress authorized such a voyage in 1828, the year before
Symmes died. This was impart the result of vigorous lobbying by
Jeremiah Reynolds, who instead of appealing to scientific curiosity
stressed the trade to be opened and territory to be claimed. The idea
gained support of president John Quincy Adams but not of Andrew
Jackson, who succeeded Adams as president in 1829. The expedition
would not sail for another decade.
Meanwhile, the impatient Reynolds joined a sealing and exploring
expedition to the South Seas aboard the Annawan. (A magazine story
that he wrote on his return-Mocha Dick, or The White Whale of the
Pacific-may have been the inspiration for Herman Melville's masterpiece
Moby Dick, published twelve years later.) On his return, Renewed earlier
calls to sealers and whalers to add their voices to the clamor for an
expedition, now proposed to Antarctica.
In an 1836 speech given in the U.S. Capitol's Hall of Representatives,
Reynold's conjured a stirring vision of American ships casting anchor at
the South Pole-"that point where all the meridians terminate where our
eagle and star spangled banner may be unfurled and planted, and left to
wave our axis of the earth itself!" If he still believed in Symmes held that
point, Reynolds kept it to himself.
Swayed by such patriotic fervor appeals to the whalers and other
commercial interests. Congress then approved the expedition and
provided $300,000.00 for it. However, two years dragged by before it
actually departed. By that time, the impassioned Reynolds had so
roundly denounced the Secretary of Navy for dawdling that Reynolds's
be immediately struck from the expedition roster when the ship finally
sailed in 1838.
Named for its commander, Navy Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, the four-year
Wilkes expedition-the first to team civil engineers and scientists with
naval crews-did make important discoveries, but not those that Symmes
had so fondly hoped, no charting of a polar opening, the voyagers
returned maps of thousands of miles of antarctic coastline, having that
this little known landmass is in fact big enough to be the earth's seventh
continent.
(Photo-In Poe's "MS. Found in a Bottle," a whirlwind drags a ship into
the earth through the South Pole)
Like Symmes before him, Reynold's found that the tangible rewards for
his devotion were slim. An expedition botanist who discovered a new
genus of ivy in Samoa on the southward journey named it Reynoldsia in
honor of Reynolds's "unflagging zeal." And Reynolds apparently wielded
considerable influence over the fevered mind of one of America's
greatest authors, Edger Allan Poe. In the short story "MS Found in a
Bottle" and his novel The Narrative of Arthur Gorden Pym of Nantucket,
Poe describes doomed voyages that end with ships being sucked into a
watery abyss at the South Pole-ideas founded on the hollow-earth
writings of Reynolds. Although the two probably never met, Poe was
calling Reynold's name when he died in a Baltimore hospital in 1849. "
I am posting a letter which I have received from Rodney M. Cluff, a
researcher at: www.ourhollow earth.com
Rodney shines some new light on the controvery surrounding Admiral Byrd.
There are a couple of paragraphs in the middle which I might have posted
before, but read it on through.
Here 'tis:
Dean,
My position on Admiral Byrd is that he did go to the hollow earth, that he
DID find both north and south polar openings, but that it was considered a
military secret, which his higher-ups required him to keep confidential. But
Byrd felt it was the greatest geographical discovery in all history and kept
leaking hints to the public of his discovery until the military brass had
had enough and they put him out of the picture.
Dennis is firmly of the opinion that the Admiral never went, but if he is
basing his conclusion on reports from the New York Times, well, guess what?
The NY Times has no qualms about lying about important things to keep the
lid on something. Just look at all their lies about Bautista being an
unbeable dictator of Cuba that needed replacing. And who did the NY Times
help replace him with? Fidel Castro. Hardly, a bit better person to lead
their nation. More likely the worst. The New York Times is the masterhead of
the Rockefeller empire. And Rockefeller was helping fund Admiral Byrd's
mystery flights beyond the poles. Of course he would want his paper to cover
up what was really found.
Dennis Crenshaw can be so adamant about Byrd not going to the Hollow Earth.
But I can be just as insistent that the DID go. And what he discovered he
tried to make public, but was suppressed.
I have it from a close friend who as Radio Commentator in Juneau, Alaska,
that a close friend of the Admiral, Sylvia Darvell, was told by the Admiral
that he flew into the Hollow Earth through the North Polar Opening, was
sided by flying saucer type craft, who landed him near an inner earth city
where the was taken in and interviewed by a hollow earth government
official, who gave him a message to return to the United States and tell our
leaders that the Hollow Earth nation wants us to quit using nuclear weapons.
Danny Weiss of the International Society for a Complete Earth maintains that
the Admiral's family still believes the Admiral discovered the polar
openings and that the earth is hollow in his many flights there. They claim
he had a secret diary (not the fake one analyzed by Dennis Crenshaw), and
that shortly before his death he had tried to publish it.
According to a letter to the Editor of Hollow Hassle of October 1983 by Rose
Marie Gilbert, of Lakeside California, Admiral Bryd actually wrote a book
about his discovery of land beyond the poles. "Admiral Byrd - I spent days
and weeks trying to track down his niece. I met her across the street at a
Tupperware party 8 years ago. She told us about her uncle and how he had
suffered because he couldn't tell, but he wrote a book and had it printed
and in the bookstores, and the government confiscated all, they thought.
There are five still remaining - she has one. If I'd have contacted her
sooner, I could have read it; copied it for sure. But at that time it didn't
mean much to me..." (THE HOLLOW HASSLE, P.O. Box 747, Aurora, Colorado
80040)
Jack West, a prominent Latter-day Saint (Mormon) leader in California said
he personally heard Admiral Byrd's International Broadcasts when the Admiral
spoke of that land beyond the poles. From a tape I have are the following
quotes from Jack West.
Jack West's comments on his tapes, THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Located
towards the end of the first side of the 2nd tape, this Mormon leader has
this to say:
"Now if you quote me, I'll probably deny it, because I can't give you book
and page. But wouldn't it be thrilling if those stories
that we keep hearing are true? Wouldn't it be thrilling if the earth IS
hollow instead of a molten state down there and that there
ARE people inside the earth?"
"Wouldn't it be thrilling if that book is based on fact? And this wonderful
fellow lived close to me. He lived in Glendale in
southern California just a few miles from where I live. And when he was
about to pass away and go meet his maker, Olaf
Jansen...told his story in almost a life time to his dearest friend...His
friend went there and here he had documented evidence,
everywhere you turn, of a trip that he and his father made to the inside of
the earth. They were Norwegian fishermen. In a book
called, THE SMOKY GOD, if you want to make a note of it. You read it and see
what you think!"
"You see," he continues, "I heard that broadcast as many of you did, by
Admiral Byrd. For he testified, 'We've flown hundreds
of miles north of the north pole, every inch of the way, over beautiful
forest land and green hills and lovely blue waters, and
we've seen giant animals down there in the woods.' And then they had to
return because they were almost out of gas. He went
to the south pole. Got more gas this time; went still farther south of the
SOUTH pole, every inch of the way he testified, over
blue waters and beautiful wooded areas and green hills."
"Now, I don't know the answer. All I know is that the greatest number of
sightings of UFO's have been near the north and
south poles. Wouldn't that be fascinating if some of them are coming from
down inside? Yes, they are way ahead of us they all
testify. Get this book called, THE HOLLOW EARTH. It's a scientific book this
time; gives evidence all over the place that the
government purposely quieted down and hushed up that story of Admiral Byrd
that I heard both of his international broadcasts
as many of you did on international radio hookup when he told about these
stories. Believe me, HE WAS NOT OFF HIS
ROCKER! I believe with all my heart that they literally did exactly what he
said they did!"
"...what about Peary when they got that bird that saved their lives? It lit
on their equipment and they caught it. And when they
opened it up, it had GREEN GRASS in it's craw. And yet they didn't know of
any green grass within THOUSANDS of miles
of where they were...What about THE GOLD OF THE GODS and the story of von
Daniken. I know him personally. Erich
von Daniken, who wrote, CHARIOTS OF THE GODS and now GOLD OF THE GODS. Get
it if you don't have it. It's
thrilling. What about these thousands of miles of tunnels underneath the
earth starting with Ecuador. We don't know where they
really start. But they found them up at the north end of Ecuador clear down
into Chile. They haven't come to the ends of them
at either end and yet there is a wind blowing through there all the time and
the legend is that some of these tunnels go down
spiraling down inside the earth to a beautiful land inside the earth."
"I don't know the answer," Jack West says, who is also an amateur
archaeologist. "It's interesting. I've done a lot of research
on it and I'm beginning to believe that it might be a possibility. Brigham
Young taught as though the Ten Tribes were quite close
to us; that they certainly didn't have to come from another planet when they
came back." (Cassette tapes, THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, published 1978 by
Sounds of Zion, Box 7332, Murray, Utah 84107)
Admiral Byrd took movie film recordings of his discovery of that land beyond
the pole and it was shown in movie theaters across America where many people
saw it in 1929. Back in those days, short news reels were shown to movie
goers to keep them up to date on the news, just before the show started.
Consider the testimony of the late Ray Palmer, of SEARCH and FLYING SAUCERS
magazines, in which he testifies of Byrd's discovery of Our Hollow Earth in
1929. Palmer lived in Amherst, Wisconsin. He wrote in his magazine, that
about three miles away is the hometown of the late Lloyd K. Grenlie who was
a friend of his. Grenlie "...was the radio-man on Admiral Byrd's expedition
to the South Pole in 1926 and to both poles in 1929."
"It was emphatically denied that he made flights to BOTH poles in 1929."
However, Palmer continued, "That year a newsreel could be seen in America's
theaters which described BOTH flights, and also showed newsreel photographs
of the 'land beyond the pole (north) with its mountains, trees, rivers, and
a large animal identified as a mammoth.'"
"Today this newsreel apparently does not exist, although hundreds of my
readers remember as I do, this movie short. Thus, I have it on my own
personal viewing of this movie short, and from the radio-man who went with
Byrd to that land beyond the pole and SAW the things recorded on that film,
that this unknown, unchartered, and presently denied land exists!" (FLYING
SAUCERS, Sept. 1970)
Dennis Crenshall is an excellent researcher, but in the case of Admiral
Byrd, if his basing his conclusion on a fake diary and the lies from the New
York Times where David Rockeller would have invested interest in hiding the
truth, then I can see why he came to his conclusion. But he is wrong. The
Admiral, in my opinion, did discover the Hollow Earth and it's polar
openings.
Rodney M. Cluff
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