[allplanets-hollow] The Logistical Value of Firearms

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Well said, Mike.

Blake

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Accounts from different people seem to indicate that a hollow
interior may in fact be occupied by a variety of nations and types
of beings. This is also borne out by folklore. Some may be quite
friendly, and other inimical to surface humanity.

This same topic about guns came up on Jan Lamprecht's
hollowearth list back in 1999. The rationale is really quite
simple: Polar bears, killer whales, giant feral felines, wolves,
hyenadons, smilodons, and a variety of other predatory creatures
are DEADLY. They don't care about your personal vibrations,
non-meat-eating philosophies, current state of enlightenment, or
karmic state. To them, you are a large monkey with extra nutritive
value. In addition to unexpected encounters with hungry beasts,
one must mention potential encounters (inside or out) with
primitive headhunters, religious fantatics, secret society
saboteurs, operatives of hostile governments, cannibals,
barbarians, or people who may just not want their happy little
corner of reality discovered or revealed to the nations "out here."
This all aside from any "friendlies" who may or may not be there.

A medium or large-calibre handgun, and perhaps a carbine rifle
(some nice 9mm models, fairly lightweight, exist, and could
share ammo with the pistols) would be a wise addition on an
expedition of this type. Don't leave home without it, but hope that
you aren't picked up for some sort of "illegal firearm" transport
violation by a hostile government or their armed forces. And I'm
not just talking about the U.S.A., I'm thinking more about those
jumpy and suspicious communists and pretend-we're-not-still
communists whose territories so closely approach the region.

Go armed if you go, it's just common sense. But go cautiously.

--Mike

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Polar or Kodiac bear? .338 Winchester minimum. .300 Winchester for the
brave. 30-06 for those live on adrenaline rushes.
.223-- a mousegun for bear? I don't think so.
A pistol? ROFL!

I've had brown and black bears on my porch.
They die easy. Not griz. They hunt YOU! A griz sow mauled a dude up by my
cousins place even after the guide put 2 rounds in her at close range with a
.300 Winchester. They were hunting elk.
She then ran 150 yards to some brush where she died.

I think the perfect Kodiak rifle is a .338 Lapua built by Dakota Arms.

Kirk in central Montana.

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From: Frei, Blake [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:07 AM
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Subject: RE: [allplanets-hollow] The Logistical Value of Firearms

Well said, Mike.

Blake

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] The Logistical Value of Firearms

Accounts from different people seem to indicate that a hollow
interior may in fact be occupied by a variety of nations and types
of beings. This is also borne out by folklore. Some may be quite
friendly, and other inimical to surface humanity.

This same topic about guns came up on Jan Lamprecht's
hollowearth list back in 1999. The rationale is really quite
simple: Polar bears, killer whales, giant feral felines, wolves,
hyenadons, smilodons, and a variety of other predatory creatures
are DEADLY. They don't care about your personal vibrations,
non-meat-eating philosophies, current state of enlightenment, or
karmic state. To them, you are a large monkey with extra nutritive
value. In addition to unexpected encounters with hungry beasts,
one must mention potential encounters (inside or out) with
primitive headhunters, religious fantatics, secret society
saboteurs, operatives of hostile governments, cannibals,
barbarians, or people who may just not want their happy little
corner of reality discovered or revealed to the nations "out here."
This all aside from any "friendlies" who may or may not be there.

A medium or large-calibre handgun, and perhaps a carbine rifle
(some nice 9mm models, fairly lightweight, exist, and could
share ammo with the pistols) would be a wise addition on an
expedition of this type. Don't leave home without it, but hope that
you aren't picked up for some sort of "illegal firearm" transport
violation by a hostile government or their armed forces. And I'm
not just talking about the U.S.A., I'm thinking more about those
jumpy and suspicious communists and pretend-we're-not-still
communists whose territories so closely approach the region.

Go armed if you go, it's just common sense. But go cautiously.

--Mike

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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "kirk" <kirk@3...> wrote:

Polar or Kodiac bear? .338 Winchester minimum. .300

Winchester for the

brave. 30-06 for those live on adrenaline rushes.
.223-- a mousegun for bear? I don't think so.
A pistol? ROFL!

I've had brown and black bears on my porch.
They die easy. Not griz. They hunt YOU! A griz sow mauled a

dude up by my

cousins place even after the guide put 2 rounds in her at close

range with a

.300 Winchester. They were hunting elk.
She then ran 150 yards to some brush where she died.

I think the perfect Kodiak rifle is a .338 Lapua built by Dakota

Arms.

Kirk in central Montana.

Personally, I would prefer a 30.06 for dealing with LARGE
predators. And a scope.

But that's a lot of extra weight to lug....

A 9mm set-up is better than nothing, though!

--Mike

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Why would you want to shoot a majestic creature like a grizzly bear? Unless
it was threatening your life! If they are encroaching on human habitations
it's because their own enviroment or food sources are diminishing. But then,
I'm not into blood-sports in North London. Cave bears in the hollow earth
are gigantic, you'd need a bazooka to kill them. Hazel

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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "kirk" <kirk@3...> wrote:
> Polar or Kodiac bear? .338 Winchester minimum. .300
Winchester for the
> brave. 30-06 for those live on adrenaline rushes.
> .223-- a mousegun for bear? I don't think so.
> A pistol? ROFL!
>
> I've had brown and black bears on my porch.
> They die easy. Not griz. They hunt YOU! A griz sow mauled a
dude up by my
> cousins place even after the guide put 2 rounds in her at close
range with a
> .300 Winchester. They were hunting elk.
> She then ran 150 yards to some brush where she died.
>
> I think the perfect Kodiak rifle is a .338 Lapua built by Dakota
Arms.
>
> Kirk in central Montana.
>
>

Personally, I would prefer a 30.06 for dealing with LARGE
predators. And a scope.

But that's a lot of extra weight to lug....

A 9mm set-up is better than nothing, though!

--Mike

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Kodiac are gigantic. How big are cave bears?

Griz will more than threaten your life. Once they acquire a taste for "long
pig" (man) you are in a world of hurt.
A house is no protection. They will rip it open like a rotten log for the
"grubs" inside. This will happen again once this re-establishment is
accomplished. Why do you think they were eradicated?

I have lived with animals most of my life and in many ways prefer their
company to mankind.
They keep it simple. So don't think I don't like animals.

Regrettably environmental theories of animal behavior are as full of barn
dust as the explorer club mentality.
I've been there, done that, and have the T shirt and the belt buckle. My
knowledge is not TV or books.

One of the big myths is animals only kill to eat. Utter BS.
I have seen a hawk hit a covey of quail and not stop until they are all
dead. He then eats the lungs of a couple of them, or whatever titbit he is
in the mood for and leaves the rest. Lions like their meat fresh and will
kill a deer and leave most for the bears and yotes. The television model of
nature is lovely but mostly entertainment with little relevance to real day
to day life.
Ever see hawks hunt in a flock? I have. So much for lone territorial
predators. Ever see an eagle kill a deer? My cousin's husband did. Dropped
from the sky and slit her throat in passing. Ever see their feet? And their
beak! Hawks can bite your fingers off let alone eagles.
TV leaves many with the impression the wilds are a petting zoo. NOT SO!

I've seen a bear walk down a trail and then have a whack attack and destroy
a log and bushes. Then calmly shuffle away. I've seen bear eat berries for
several days by a flock of sheep and then one day just walk over and kill a
half dozen of them. Why? and why not before? They are TOTALLY unpredictable.

People get attacked and killed and the papers don't cover it. Why?

The early settlers of the west could have told us much about the behavior of
wild predators unafraid of man but their stories are not in the libraries
for the most part. Not politically correct, just as artifacts of Egypt and
Phoenicia in the Americas are suppressed, Irish Ogham writing, Viking
settlements, Blue eyed red haired indians and so on.
Columbus discovered America dontcha know.

Kirk

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Re: The Logistical Value of Firearms

Why would you want to shoot a majestic creature like a grizzly bear? Unless
it was threatening your life! If they are encroaching on human habitations
it's because their own enviroment or food sources are diminishing. But then,
I'm not into blood-sports in North London. Cave bears in the hollow earth
are gigantic, you'd need a bazooka to kill them. Hazel
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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "kirk" <kirk@3...> wrote:
> Polar or Kodiac bear? .338 Winchester minimum. .300
Winchester for the
> brave. 30-06 for those live on adrenaline rushes.
> .223-- a mousegun for bear? I don't think so.
> A pistol? ROFL!
>
> I've had brown and black bears on my porch.
> They die easy. Not griz. They hunt YOU! A griz sow mauled a
dude up by my
> cousins place even after the guide put 2 rounds in her at close
range with a
> .300 Winchester. They were hunting elk.
> She then ran 150 yards to some brush where she died.
>
> I think the perfect Kodiak rifle is a .338 Lapua built by Dakota
Arms.
>
> Kirk in central Montana.
>
>

Personally, I would prefer a 30.06 for dealing with LARGE
predators. And a scope.

But that's a lot of extra weight to lug....

A 9mm set-up is better than nothing, though!

--Mike

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It's a really bad idea to get mauled where you can't call 911.
You need to study the physiology of these animals.
Their teeth and claws are far worse than most people dream.
Their musculature has to be seen to be believed.

K

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--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., "kirk" <kirk@3...> wrote:

Polar or Kodiac bear? .338 Winchester minimum. .300

Winchester for the

brave. 30-06 for those live on adrenaline rushes.
.223-- a mousegun for bear? I don't think so.
A pistol? ROFL!

I've had brown and black bears on my porch.
They die easy. Not griz. They hunt YOU! A griz sow mauled a

dude up by my

cousins place even after the guide put 2 rounds in her at close

range with a

.300 Winchester. They were hunting elk.
She then ran 150 yards to some brush where she died.

I think the perfect Kodiak rifle is a .338 Lapua built by Dakota

Arms.

Kirk in central Montana.

Personally, I would prefer a 30.06 for dealing with LARGE
predators. And a scope.

But that's a lot of extra weight to lug....

A 9mm set-up is better than nothing, though!

--Mike

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