[ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Submarine Base under the Nevada Desert ?

Soretna , I agree - a ground penetrating radar survey of earth's entire surface is required (probably it's already done by "Black Ops") to be made available on public domain , so even the common man is aware of the natural cavern networks that exist beneath the ground , pretty much anywhere on Earth's surface , even beneath the ocean floor...

Regards

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On Fri, 7/6/18, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Submarine Base under the Nevada Desert ?
To: "ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, July 6, 2018, 6:52 PM

       Well Sidhartha,
interestingly both Atlantis and Lemuria were sunk due to
tales of underground caverns.
The people of Lemuria were said to
have discovered the power of sound and the manipulation of
the environment, life, etc. via sound. Ultimately they had
sound/echo/amplifier/resonance chambers of some sort
underground their "black arts" group used it
inappropriately, thus sinking their continent/large
island.
The people of
Atlantis supposedly drilled too deep into their central
mountain or something like this and the island or continent
essentially imploded or collapsed in on itself on down into
the cavernous mining zone. I suspect they hit an underground
cavern system (perhaps that enormous underground ocean
spoken of in Etidorhpa?) and plop, there it went, out of
sight with the shelves or edges covering up the populated
central region such that we can't really isolate it
now.
There's no
doubt that we need better GPR (ground penetrating radar) and
drilling methods.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:45 PM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

       Yeah Soretna...this
probably also explains those highly paranoid
conspiracy theories of how some parts of coastal
California may be at risk (God forbid) of sliding into the
Pacific Ocean , in case of a large earthquake...on a
different note , I wonder - could the sudden submergence of
Atlantis have happened because of caverns beneath Atlantis
having abruptly caved in ?

Regards

                     On Friday, July 6, 2018, 2:44:17 PM GMT, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected] yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                 

       Intriguing, you
may be interested in what appears to be the more original

source wherein there are images that appear to be missing
from the link you

shared:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/
47john_lear/02files/Navy_ Secrets.html

For one example, there is this image:

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:14 AM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected] yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>

>

> Folks , this article is for those in our group who
might still be

> sceptical about the extensive cavern networks
underneath California *(extending

> undersea right upto the Pacific Ocean)*...Well , guess
what - then how

> can a submarine base exist in middle of the arid desert
of Nevada ??? There

> is no water in a desert , so how can there be a
submarine base there ??

>

> The answer to that is -

> *if some undersea caverns extend deep inland , from
beneath California ,

> then it might be possible to have submarines operating
under the Nevada

> desert in those seawater filled caverns...*

>

> But wait , it gets still more interesting -

> *Death Valley , which is not far from this Submarine
base of the Nevada

> desert , itself sits on top of a gigantic cavern
beneath , so much so ,

> that it's believed a major earthquake could
potentially collapse the floor

> of Death Valley (or the top of that underground cavern
, depending which

> way you think about it) , revealing a canyon possibly
as grand as the Grand

> Canyon itself*...this got me thinking : what if the
Grand Canyon itself

> was formed after some prehistoric earthquake that
collapsed the roof of the

> cavern , hence opening up that underground Cavern into
an Open canyon - the

> Grand Canyon !

>

> Then just when I thought , all this couldn't get
any weirder , I read

> somewhere that some native American tribes in
California have reported

> hearing the sound of sea waves inside some underground
caverns and even

> heard whales singing !

> *The only way that could be true is if some undersea
cavern network from

> the Pacific coast of America , extends deep inland
beneath California......*

>

>

> http://www.subterraneanbases.
com/navy-submarine-base-under-

> the-nevada-desert/

> Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?

> What ever happened with Steve Fossett ?

> John Lear says it might have to do with an Above Top
Secret UNDERGROUND

> Submarine Base.

> John revealed it’s location and he thinks the Base
Commander was

> pissed.

> A short time later Steve Fossett turns up missing.

> The Navy Sub Base in Nevada might have thought

> John Lear was in the plane (photographing the
location).

> The aircraft was ordered to be shot down.

> Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed
aircraft.

> That is why the Mega Search turned up NOTHING.

>

> So…We do NOT know how true the above is.
But….

>

> The City of Hawthorne continues to blossom to the south
of Walker Lake

> with restaurants and motels offering provisions,
diversions and

> accommodations for travelers.

> It’s a five minute drive out of town to the north,
but instead of

> continuing to Walker Lake Hawthorne’s fourth and
grandest wonder turn west

> into “the Base.” This was once the headquarters for
the US Navy Ammunition

> Depot, and is now a minor paradise enjoyed by its
residents and by visitors

> alike. Take ten minute driving tour of this astonishing
remnant from

> another age. Just drive in; if there is a security
guard on duty, just say

> “Golf Course” and you’re in.

> Your tour ends at the Walker Lake Country Club, where a
beautiful 9-hole

> golf course (open to the public) was the best-kept
military secret in

> America for 50 years. It was built by base employees,
four holes at first,

> and then two at a time until the ninth hole was
completed 30 years ago....

> “Where is everybody?” we asked the manager.

>

> “‘I don’t know,’ he said. “It’s always like
this out here.’ I thought he

> was going to add, ‘in heaven.'” The club house
is a favorite meeting place

> for local decision-makers.

>

> *Hawthorne is on the main Las Vegas-Reno highway and
serves as Nevada’s

> gateway to Yosemite and the eastern Sierra via the Pole
Line Road (Nevada

> 359) connecting with US 395 and the Tioga Pass. *
Lake Denmark, New

> Jersey, was blown off the face of the earth by a huge
explosion at the

> naval ammunition depot there (in 1926), and Congress
wanted to find some

> less valuable real estate for the new one. After a
nationwide search,

> Hawthorne was the choice, the Yucca Mountain of its
time.

> In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of
Officers to provide

> oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. A
court of inquiry

> investigating the explosion recommended that a depot be
established in a

> remote area within 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of the west
coast to serve the

> Pacific area. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in
July 1928, and NAD

> received its first shipment of high explosives on
October 19, 1930.

> Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided
by the U.S. Marine

> Corps. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War
II, 600 Marines

> were assigned to the facility. In 1977, that number had
been reduced to 117;*

> security is contracted to a private company.*

> The following progression illustrates the result
through World War II:

>

> 1930 pop.: 680

>

> 1940 pop.: 1,009

>

> 1944 pop.: 13,000

>

> 1950 pop.: 1,861

>

> With more than 7,000 armed forces and civilian workers
at the arsenal

> during the war, Hawthorne was the busiest Nevada
boomtown in a generation.

> By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government
housing at nearby

> Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom
was over. Growth

> since has been slow, and today the ammunition depot
plays a diminishing

> role in Hawthorne’s economy, although its bunkers
still pimple the desert

> as they have for more than 75 years. The Gulf War
brought more good times

> to Hawthorne, and the base now under civilian
management is bulging more

> than ever with munitions.

>

> In 1984, after nearly 50 years without a major mishap,
one of the storage

> bunkers exploded. The blast was contained as intended,
blowing up instead

> of out, and the deeply feared chain-reaction causing
immense damage and

> loss of life did not occur. In the early 1990s a bunker
detonated for no

> discernible cause, unless it was provoked by a
lightning storm the previous

> day.

> ****************************** *****

> The depot began its existence as the Hawthorne Naval
Ammunition Depot

> (NAD).

> The *Hawthorne Army Depot* is a huge ammunition storage
site located near

> the town of Hawthorne in western Nevada in the United
States. It is

> directly south of Walker Lake. The depot covers 147,000
acres (595 km), and

> has 600,000 square feet (55,700 m) of floor space in
2,427 storage bunkers.

> It is said to be the largest such facility in the
world. * The depot is

> run by an independent contractor under an agreement
with the government.

> Security is contracted to a private company.*

> In May 2005, the facility was included on the 2005 Base
Realignment and

> Closure list, with closure being recommended. However,
the depot was

> subsequently dropped from the BRAC list, and thus will
continue to

> operate. In 1998-1999, the facility was used to
destroy the U.S. stockpile

> of M687 chemical artillery shells

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
M687_chemical_artillery_shell> and separate

> from them their 505 tons (458 metric tons) of binary
precursor chemicals.

> History : In 1977, NAD was transferred to the Army,
and renamed the

> Hawthorne Army Ammunition Plant (HWAAP). In 1980, HWAAP
was redesignated as

> a government-owned contractor-operated facility. Day
& Zimmermann Hawthorne

> Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor.
In 1994, the

> facility received its current name of the Hawthorne
Army Depot (HWAD).

> ********************* http://www.globalsecurity.org/

> military/facility/hawthorne. htm

> HWAD claims to be the “Worlds Largest Depot” and is
the largest industrial

> activity in the state of Nevada.

> Hawthorne Army Depot is located in the west central
part of Nevada close

> to the California state line. It is approximately two
hours southeast of

> Reno on US Highway 95. The facility’s area 147,000
Acres (Leased/Owned) and

> ..6M Sq. Ft. Floor Space. Facilities include 178
Buildings and 2,427

> Igloos.

> In 1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor,
Pennsylvania, was

> awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award
fee contract for the

> operation and maintenance of a government
owned/contractor operated

> facility.

> *************** Why would we want a submarine base in
Nevada ?

> This map might help: http://img72.imageshack.us/
img72/1479/

> flyingmranchatsauy1.png

>

> A big enough lake and possible under water entrance
into a lab area. NUWC

> stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map.

> ****************** An underwater craft from another
nation engaged one of

> our subs in combat under California or Nevada.

> *Babbitt* was a government housing facility in Mineral
County, Nevada,

> United States. It was established in 1941.

> Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD
Hawthorne, H.S. Babbitt....

> During its existence, Babbitt was assigned the ZIP code
of 89416.

> **********************

> Per John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in
Hawthorne Nevada

> access the West Coast using underground elevators and
train.

> John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel
system used by the

> Military.

> Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta
Basin in NE Utah

> and to Dulce New Mexico?

> *The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct
line heading NNE

> from Hawthorne to the Ranch.*

> Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from
Uinta Basin and SE from

> Hawthorne.

> (Excuse me if my directions are off, I have a very
small map to look at

> and Hawthorne isn’t even on the same page as Uinta
Basin and Dulce.

> Is it possible that these three areas are part of the
underground

> tunnel/train/waterway Network ?

> I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was
mentioned in info about

> the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch. Certainly
similar unexplained

> activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta
Basin. (Also prob in the

> whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena
occurred near

> Hawthorne?

> **************************

> *Navy* *Submarine* Base Under the *Nevada* Desert ?

> Topic started on *1-9-2007* @ 01:29 AM by JOHN LEAR
:

> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
forum/thread300230/pg1

>

> Over the past 20 years I have heard stories of a huge
U.S. Navy submarine

> base under the desert in Hawthorne Nevada.

>

> During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno
many times and was

> always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before
entering the town

> of Hawthorne. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from
Las Vegas and about

> two and a half hours drive from Reno.)

>

> It used to read “Naval Undersea Warfare Training
Center”.. Today it reads

> “Naval Undersea Warfare Center”. They must have
made the change in the past

> year or so. Maybe longer.

>

> Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition
is made, tested and

> stored. Endless rows of ammunition bunkers dot both
sides of the road.

>

> Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The East
Walker river

> drains into it and over the past 20 years has become
shallower and

> shallower. The lake is about 18 miles long and about 8
miles wide the

> longer axis running north and south.

>

> It can’t be very deep. I am not good at judging lake
depths, maybe 100

> feet? 150 feet? Certainly wouldn’t seem deep enough
for a Ohio, Virginia,

> Seawolf,Los Angeles. Maybe that little nuclear powered
Fast Attack Sub.... But

> I know nothing about submarines.

>

> And the lake itself certainly wouldn’t be big enough
or deep enough to

> train for Undersea Warfare. Or so it would seem.

>

> There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a
shelf underneath

> which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean.
Maybe the Pacific

> Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne Nevada (and
even further?)....

>

> Maybe there is some kind of access from the surface of
the desert within

> the area occupied by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center.
And maybe if you go

> deep enough there is a huge part of the Pacific Ocean
in which the Navy

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> conducts Undersea

> Warfare training.

>

> Impossible? Improbable? So it would seem.

>

> But let’s assume that it might be true. There would
have to be a route

> from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. If we take a set
of dividers and place

> one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at
the closest portion

> of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in
Monterey Bay, just south

> of San Francisco. Just north of Fort Ord.

>

> The distance is roughly about 212 statute miles.

>

> Now let’s also assume that there is traffic both to
and from Monterey Bay

> and Hawthorne Nevada. We would probably have to have to
separate channels,

> one for each direction of travel. If it’s a sea how
can we separate these

> channels? I don’t know.

>

> Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines
representing these

> channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. If a
submarine where to make

> 33 knots the trip would take about five and a half
hours.

> ****************************** ******

> The Underground Empire

> ( Branton — File No. 008 )

>

> In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> “Patriot” who

> published the anti-Communist oriented “REBEL
MAGAZINE” (at the time

> available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J.
Williams. Pres., 2011

> Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310)
revealed some

> incredible details on an alleged subterranean system
which the Navy had

> been exploring below the western United States. The
report appeared in

> issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced
in the Fall, 1985

> (#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by
Marjorie Palmer,

> widow of the late Ray Palmer.

>

> The article, titled ‘CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?’,
revealed the following:

>

> “Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> interview-show

> briefly mention that parts of California and
neighboring states are

> floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking
Naval officer on a

> top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is)
exploring and mapping

> these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the
West for over 10

> years now.

>

> “A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. He is
now living quietly

> in retirement <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and

> asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he
does not want

> publicity and government attention. After writing this
article, I destroyed

> my files on him. This is his story…”

>

> Williams explains that not “all” of the areas in
question are actually

> “resting” or “floating” on the ocean, however
there are allegedly many

> subterranean cavities

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> below the western

> U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many
of them consist of

> very large water-filled aqua-systems. These have been
explored via nuclear

> submarines to several hundred miles inland,
particularly in the region of

> southern California and the southern Oregon –
northern California

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> area. Williams

> continues:

>

> “…When he retired several years ago, in spite of
about 10 years of

> intensive Naval study, the Navy had not gotten even a
handle on their

> exacts and dimensions. Today, the story may be
different.

>

> “He makes the following statements from his
observations:

>

> “1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from
a few to thousands

> of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100
feet.

>

> “2. Much like dry caverns do, heights

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and depths vary a

> great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or
passageways pass over

> or under each other at different depths.

>

> “3. Most of the entrances lie just off the
Continental Shelf (ie.. or

> rather, WITHIN the lower slopes/cliffs of the
Continental Shelf – Branton).

>

> “4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine
investigation; and

> many that are large enough lie in waters that are too
deep.

>

> “5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped
with oil while some

> others are filled with gases believed to approximate
our atmosphere (in

> very ancient times).

>

> “6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion
of the original

> cavernous area that collapsed eons

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> ago due to it’s

> sheer weight.

>

> “7. What is being passed off as the ‘San Andreas
Fault’ are large,

> unsupported chambers that are in the process of
collapsing. When the BIG

> ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe
that most of

> California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and
slide into the ocean!

> (it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass
which some believe may

> have been connected to what is now California, broke
off and sunk into the

> ocean during an ancient cataclysm – Branton)

>

> “8. (We are deleting this section due to the
possibility of undue stress

> and fear which may result from it’s disclosure. Also,
because of recent

> international events which may have resulted in a
solution to this problem.

> We will merely state that it involves a scenario
similar to that which was

> portrayed in a James Bond

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> movie, and which

> concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear
weapons, and the San

> Andreas fault – Branton).

>

> “9. A WELL-KNOWN U.S. nuclear submarine lost its way
in these passages and

> disappeared forever. It was reported to have been lost
IN OPEN SEA

> ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total
ignorance and to justify an

> enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who
died in recent

> years) for providing the fictitious “recovery”
effort. “I have no reason to

> doubt the man. I can’t tell for sure whether or not
these caverns and

> passageways exist or to their extents. The story does
sound a bit fantastic

> but I have no reason to doubt the man. I have seen
copies of documentation

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> that at least

> prove that he was a high ranking Naval officer (nuclear
submarine duty) and

> a distinguished scientist. In fact, his scientific
background and

> reputation are impeccable. He definitely cannot be
labeled as a crackpot,

> lunatic or publicity-seeker. I would very much like
more information on

> this topic…”

>

> After further inquiries to Mr. Williams on the part of
‘inner earth’

> researchers, Williams responded with the following when
asked whether or

> not he had received any replies to his request for more
information about

> the alleged passageways below California:“Since
publishing our article on

> the vast cavern network

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> under much of

> California, we have received many responses and
inquiries. Some of these

> responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. Note that
the material sent

> to us for this article was written by someone of very
high repute whose

> credentials I personally checked out.

>

> “Due to an agreement with him, I cannot reveal his
identity. One response

> was from a retired (conventional submarine duty? –
Branton) submarine

> commander, who according to him, spent many years in
the waters off

> California. He stated that the caverns do NOT exist.

>

> “Another response was from an anonymous person who
cited unpublished oil

> company seismographical data

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and stated,

> ‘Although most of the caverns you depict in your
drawing are smaller,

> larger or located somewhat differently than the actual
caverns, you are

> essentially correct… My information is more
up-to-date than what you

> apparently relied upon.’ He (or she) did not supply
any maps to pin down

> our differences, just some written descriptions.
However, some

> knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her)
overall ‘map’ from

> the voluminous seismographical data sent.. I am in the
process of looking

> for this input; it’s been several years now and it
may have all been thrown

> out… Incidentally, the oil company seismic data had
much data round the

> Fresno area if that helps any.

>

> “One incident which tends to confirm the fact that
California is in fact

> floating on the ocean was a story which made the
headlines in recent years.

>

> “This incident involved an oil discovery beneath Long
Beach, California.

> When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground
beneath Long Beach

> it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING
INTO THE OCEAN!

>

> “It sank up to 26 feet and dikes had to be built to
keep out the water.

> The problem is (temporarily) being rectified by
‘water injection’–i.e.

> pumping an equivalent amount of WATER into the ground
to the amount of oil

> and water taken out, in order to keep the city
AFLOAT!”

>

> One thing which may be of interest in connection with
Mr. Williams’

> account was a statement which was made by a prominent
California Bigfoot

> investigator by the name of Virginia Louise Swanson,
who has done a good

> deal <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of study on

> caves and their connections to the Bigfoot phenomena.
She refers to these

> caverns in the following words:

>

> “…Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of
Death Valley is located

> on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. A certain type of
earthquake would collapse

> all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that
would open up into

> another Grand Canyon

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>.”

>

> According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines
ever to disappear

> under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER
and the U.S.S.

> SCORPION. It is uncertain whether the retired Navy
Officer who John J.

> Williams spoke of was referring to the THRESHER or the
SCORPION, although

> the disappearance of the Thresher probably caused more
publicity at the

> time. The Thresher was the LEAD SHIP or ‘Flag’ ship
in the world’s most

> advanced class of nuclear attack submarines. She was
designed to operate

> deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors
and was also endowed

> with significant advances in sonar equipment, in noise
reduction

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and in

> fire-control. All in all, she was the most advanced
international submarine

> in the world at the time of her disappearance and would
have been an ideal

> choice for a top-secret mission such as the exploration
of the caverns

> mentioned by John Williams’ source.

>

> On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the
Thresher, under the

> command of Lt. Commander John W. Harvey

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, USN, with a

> total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian
technicians, and

> observers) disappeared without explanation. NOT A
SINGLE TRACE or clue as

> to the fate of the craft, or it’s occupants, were
ever recovered: no oil

> slicks, radiation, floating debris, or similar signs of
wreckage were ever

> seen. It is interesting to note that almost all of the
reports at the time

> stated the ship had “disappeared,” or was
“lost,” not “sunk!” One woman

> whose husband was on the ill-fated ship reported her
belief that her

> husband was still ALIVE! Theologically speaking, the
possibility of a

> long-distance <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>

> connection or “communion” on a deep, emotional
level between a husband and

> a wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm
of the occult or

> “psychic” phenomena. Many religions believe that
the very spiritual natures

> of a husband and a wife are united upon the
consummation of a marriage, and

> thus they become, as Christian teachings say, “one
flesh”.

>

> The actual words of this woman, who was interviewed by
Will Carson and

> Jeannie Joy — two writers

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> devoted to

> pursuing strange events — shortly after the Thresher
incident, were as

> follows:

>

> “My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it
disappeared. I don’t

> consider myself a widow. I don’t believe my husband
is dead. No, it’s not a

> matter of just not being able to believe it, to accept
reality; I just

> can’t get over the conviction that he’s still alive
somewhere. I love my

> husband very much. I know he loved–loves me. We were
very close. We could

> always tell when something was wrong with each other.
Intuition, I guess. I

> should have felt something the instant there was
trouble, if he was really

> in serious trouble and knew it–a matter of life and
death–but I didn’t.”

>

> “What do you believe really happened?” Carson and
Joy asked the attractive

> young woman.

>

> “Most people think I’m crazy when I say this, but I
believe the Thresher

> was captured.”

>

> “By whom?”

>

> “I can’t say for sure, but there WAS a Russian
submarine spotted near

> there that day (…that is, near where it REPORTEDLY
vanished 220 miles off

> Boston <http://www.csp.navy.mil/
othboats/593.htm> harbor — so either the

> Thresher DID sink there, off Boston harbor… OR the
government created an

> elaborate ‘cover story’ of it sinking off the east
coast when in fact it

> went through the Panama

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> canal and disappeared near the west coast, or BENEATH
the west coast… or,

> IF the Thresher did disappear off of Boston harbor,
then the nuclear sub

> that disappered in the aqua-caves of California may
have been yet another –

> possibly top secret – submarine. Then again there is
the possibility of

> similar aqua-caves leading inland from the base of the
continental slopes

> of the EAST COAST… — Branton) — only I can’t
imagine how even the Russians

> could CAPTURE a vessel like the Thresher without
leaving the slightest

> evidence!”

>

> The following account, concerning an area just east of
BISHOP (OWENS

> VALLEY), CALIFORNIA, was related by Val Valerian in his
‘LEADING EDGE’

> Newsletter <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, Dec.

> 1989 – Jan. 1990 issue. The article, titled: ‘DEEP
SPRING’S, CALIFORNIA’,

> stated: “Deep Springs, California is an area that is
becoming known as the

> site for very strange events. According to the
information released both on

> the air on KVEG-AM and from other sources, the area is
full of strange

> people wandering around in black suits. There have also
been rumors that

> there is an underground facility in the area. Checking
with gravity anomaly

> maps proved that there are large cavities under the
ground in that area.

> The wildest claims relative to the area have stated
that alien lifeforms

> are being released there… Deep Springs Lake has been
probed and it appears

> bottomless. Divers have traveled along an underground
river 27 miles toward

> the Las Vegas area before having to turn around.”
(This ‘river’ would

> probably have been a ‘partially’ water-filled cave
with a large stream or

> river flowing through it, rather than an entirely
underwater passage, since

> 27 miles would undoubtedly be entirely out of the
question if it were all

> underwater travel, with present diving technology –
Branton).

> ****************************** **

> Back to John Lear :

> Last Tuesday I drove from Reno to Las Vegas after
attending the Bay Area

> UFO Expo. As I drove through Hawthorne I came upon the
entrance to the

> Naval Undersea Warfare Center which is on the north
side of the road I

> pulled over to the right and took out my camera

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> to get a picture

> of the sign. As I rolled down the window and lifted my
camera I heard a

> bunch of shouting and guards waving their arms from the
guard shack.

>

> I pulled across the road to the entrance just short of
the shack a lady in

> Army uniform came over and told me I couldn’t take
pictures.. I mentioned

> to her that I was just going to take a picture of the
sign which was less

> than ten feet from the highway. She told me I
couldn’t take pictures

> anywhere around there.

>

> I asked her if I could sign up for a tour. She
responded vehemently in the

> negative. She then advised me that she should call the
Military

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> Police to

> confiscate my camera. I told her that I hadn’t had
time to take a picture

> and that I was just happened to be leaving at that
moment. She waved me to

> turn around and jotted down my car license number. I
was going to ask her

> if there were any submarines parked underground but she
was Army and I

> figured she probably wouldn’t have known.

>

> So. What do you think? Is there a vast underground sea
under California

> and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various
directions? Maybe one

> that goes to Las Vegas?

>

> Is there a possibility that the Navy does operate
submarines from Monterey

> Bay via an underground sea which extends underneath the
San Joaquin Valley,

> then under the Sierra Nevada mountain range to a Naval
Undersea Warfare

> Center deep below the Nevada desert in Hawthorne
Nevada?

>

> Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear
reactor at Aristarchus

> on the moon I’ll believe anything.

> ****************************** ****

> AREA #51 connected to Hawthorne ?

> It was the recollection of a former worker at the
NTS that “an awful

> lot of drilling” was done in Area 19, but relatively
few Nuclear blasts. He

> says there was a story released that the drillers hit
an underground lake

> as a result the NTS was not able to fully utilize the
area.

> ****************************** ************

> Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg10#>

>

> Ubehebe Crater system contains several volcanic
craters, cinder cones and

> ash hills, all relics from an explosive steam eruption
about 2,000 years

> ago, when rising magma met an underground lake.

> http://www.americansouthwest.
net/california/death_valley/

> ubehebe_crater.html

> ****************************** ****

> So are any of you going to try and explain the fact
that the area is

> approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains
its water level?

> John Lear responds : “I would speculate that there
are elevators that go

> down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that
go far deeper have

> been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area,
the Nevada Test Site

> and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue.
Thanks for the post.”

> ****************************** ******Another Post from
John Lear :

> WOW! Antar you just blew my mind! Yes. Many years ago a
Navy friend of

> mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE…
I had completely

> forgotten about that. He also told me about the
“TUBES”, the Navy

> underground transportation system. He told me that the
techs that worked in

> the tubes were called “tubemoles”. Thanks for the
memory jog!

> ************************

> Post by PWEAGLE :

> I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last
year and they said it

> ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. I sure
there are many

> cavities dotting the desert floor, possibly leading to
one another in a

> vast wedding <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of

> underground channels.

> I just can’t help to think that there all
connected.

>

> I’m here in Laughlin area and frequently drive back
home to the high

> desert from the high desert, lol. Driving on interstate
40 I can’t help but

> wonder how many undiscovered holes there are in the
desert. There

> Mitchell’s caverns but those are small but whose to
say that a little bit

> of dynamite couldn’t open it up to something even
bigger. Its a big desert

> with many possibilities.

>

> I wouldn’t dough the possibility of 200 mile+
underground river and

> channels.

> Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth
and decided to stay

> there rather then come back or maybe they where
captured who knows but its

> fun to think about it.

>

> Time to Google map some of these places and see if
there’s any strange

> things going on. Thanks john

> ****************************** **

> I’ve heard of saline lakes in California, Mono lake
comes to mind :

> http://www.monolake.org/

> ****************************** ***

> Topic started on *17-3-2007* @ 11:23 AM by
allMIGHTY

> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
forum/thread273017/pg1

> I’m proud to show you a very cool sign of one of
the biggest underground

> bases that you ever seen before.

>

> I searched the forum before and there was no match for
it. If so, then sry

> for posting.

>

> I found a sign with Google Earth

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> for a very huge

> underground base that could have the size of about 12 x
6 kilometers in the

> north of the

> China Lake Naval Weapons base.

>

> There is a earthquake

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread273017/pg1#>- pattern of which

> the most occured in the year

> 1982/83. I really think they where underground
detonations for

> creating a huge underground installation.

> GO TO : http://img129.imageshack.us/
img129/4096/base02oo2.th.jpg

> the coordinates are 35-41’6.16″N –
117-41’35.12″W

> at the China <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> Lake

> Naval Base. The earthquake pattern is directly in
the

> upper left beneath the base.

> ****************************** *********

> Well, it looks like there may be something to it after
all.

>

> *Navy Sets Up New Facility For Tunnel-Warfare Training*
: http://www.

> nationaldefensemagazine.org/
issues/2002/Nov/Navy_Sets_Up. htm

>

>

> Using the abandoned mines at China Lake, U.S. units can
learn how to

> operate in such environments, Manofsky said.

> “Anybody doing pre-deployment training for
Afghanistan should be coming to

> China Lake,” he said. “We have bunkers; we have
multilevel tunnel

> complexes; we have vertical shafts just like you’ll
find over there. Some

> of them look exactly like Afghan aqueducts.”

> Three of the tunnel locations are fully instrumented
with weather stations

> and environmental sensing equipment inside and outside.
“Once a month,

> our reservists go out and do a data sweep,” Manofsky
said. The tunnels are

> so spread out that the job takes a full day. And
because the terrain is so

> rugged, he added, the trip often involves a flat tire
or two.

> ***********************

> reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar

> Mr. Lear

> Don’t know if this is relevant or not…..” The
Devils Hole water level

> reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a
connection with a

> massive underground sea below.” I know people have
disappeared while

> exploring Devil’s Hole. Never to be found. Reports
are: there’s a large

> subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss.
Wonder’s how many

> disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going
to Devils Hole when

> the weather gets a little cooler. I’ll try and get
some good photo’s. If we

> run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few
questions or Not

> ****************************** ****************

> John Lear : I know that there was a secret NAVY base at
Lake Tahoe, at

> least there was in 1983. Maybe it was an elevator that
went down to the

> level of the Pacific Ocean that extends under
California and Nevada. Maybe

> there is a similar facility at Pyramid Lake. There is
definately one at

> Walker Lake. Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that
underground ocean

> (actually its not an ‘underground ocean’ its the
same level as the rest of

> the Pacific, it is the land that is ‘above water’
so to speak) to travel

> around.

>

> You certainly don’t see any obvious Navy transports
above ground like you

> see Air Force Transports.

> NOTE (clarification) : “I believe the secret Navy
Base at Lake Tahoe

> exists because a Navy SEAL freind of mine, who would
have definately been

> in a position to know, told me it was there.

> *******************

> There are 2 routes from Monterey Bay south of San
Francisco

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg8#> to the
submarine

> base under Hawthorne. I believe one is used for each
direction, one going

> in and one coming out. I don’t know if these are
actual tunnels or whether

> they represent routes under the ocean to and from
Hawthorne from Monterey

> Bay.

> *****************************

> Lake tahoe is 1600 feet deep and it would be
interesting if any SEA SALT could

> be detected in the water…..

> NOTE : Unlikely. Lake Tahoe is 6200 ft. above mean sea
level. If it were

> 1600 feet deep that would put the bottom of the lake
about 4600 feet above

> sea level.

> ****************************** ******

> Gotrox :

> I wonder about the Moho discontinuity—-an area below
the surface that

> seems to deflect/bend seismic Waves in a way that
geologists and

> seismologists haven’t really been able to explain. It
is found throughout

> the vast majority of the planet. Though quite far down
( + – 70

> kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some
postulate water) and if

> some technology had been able to reach it, a way to
traverse great

> distances by stealth would be feasible.

> I would post links, but it is all over the place, and I
find it much

> better to do your own searching and reach your own
conclusions.

> Just type “moho discontinuity” into any search
engine.

> *****************************

> As far as the “tubes” go, John, I have no doubt
they exist, courtesy of

> nuclear tunnel boring machines that leave glass walls
in their wake. I

> didn’t know they were Navy, though now you mention
it, it makes sense.

> Underground Oceans

>

> Very interesting John. Your suggestion of underground
sea passages is in

> line with the thinking of Dr Brooks Agnew. He was on
Coast to Coast AM on

> 16 February 2007 : ” Hollow Earth Expedition”

> http://www.ourhollowearth.com/
VoyagetoHollowEarth.htm

>

> ****************************** ********

> Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by “ZORGON”

>

> One of the points made particularly in THIS thread is
about the

> underground TUBES The high speed transit tubes. Now I
saw someone mention

> about the Nuclear powered TBM’s that melt rock…

>

> Well you don’t believe John…

> So

>

> Would you believe Rand Corporation documents from
1972?

>

> Would you believe Department of Defense documents that
back up

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> the Rand

> Corporation?

>

> Would you believe Patents filed by Los Alamos National
Laboratory and the

> Department of Energy for three Atomic TBM’s? In
1972?

>

> Would you believe people are so blind that they still
don’t get it even

> when its REPORTED in the LA Times in 1972?

>

> Well if THAT isn’t enough documentation on just ONE
of the things John

> says, then there is no help for you and please feel
free to laugh it up

>

> And don’t give me that nonsense about “Just because
they issued a patent

> doesn’t mean…”

>

> BS!!! Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los
Alamos… just be

> prepared to answer WHY you want to know

>

> The documents are all here… if your afraid the site
will bite… too bad…

> its where I store all the data

> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> and can organize

> it at MY expense and not use other peoples band
width

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

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Soretna , Dean , Sheridan , this is turning out to be quite a discussion thread !

Dean , I feel the concern you very rightly voiced about submarines potentially attacking points of geological vulnerability (in the event of a military conflict) , the veritable Achilles heel of even the most powerful nations...highlights a very disturbing trend of military strategists these days "weaponising anything and everything" , even if it means disfiguring the very face of the Earth we ALL live on...so there you have it - a clear reason why such GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) technology is considered "highly sensitive" .

Soretna , to your point about our group trying to possibly build our very own GPR tech to do Hollow Earth research, well at least that would be a constructive use of such technology . I have a strong hunch though , that fairly powerful GPR devices already exist in the military Industrial complex (including their spy satellites) , which are off limits for the common public . I brainstormed a bit to figure out who all would need to use GPR on a large scale (besides "Black Ops") :

1. Seismologists - GPR would be a perfect tool for them to peer down into the cavern worlds/volcanic vents beneath the surface and significantly improve their ability to forecast earthquakes and volcanic eruptions .

2. The petroleum / oil & gas industry

3. The mining industry

4. Archaeologists / Hollow Earth researchers like us !

5. Treasure hunters searching for buried treasure , ha ha :))

I am willing to bet that if reasonably powerful GPR technology became available to our group , we would be able to validate more than 90% of the claims of cavern worlds , made by native tribes/peoples of many different regions in the world - I mean , prove that most of those traditional stories are actually TRUE !

The frequent stories of Spaniards losing track of native American tribes who "vanished" without a trace from the face of the Earth, or Geronimo's ability to disappear from one place and reappear at another , just few days later (confusing those who were hunting him down) , are a clear sign that cavern networks/tunnels were being used for such dramatic escapes .

Regards

···

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On Sat, 7/7/18, 'Sheridan L. Crawford' [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Re: Submarine Base under the Nevada Desert ?
To: "Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW]" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 6:52 PM

         Excellent!

                     On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 7:51:33 AM AKDT, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:
                 

       Dean, I've always wondered
this too about the San Joaquin Valley and would like to see
some more research and data about it. This makes a lot of
sense and would seem to allude to near recent geological
activity that's creating some serious problems for the
region.
Sidhartha, one
thing I find interesting as I have inquiries from some
techheads who work in the radar industry is that they say
that GPR (ground penetrating radar) is too fickle. I.e. not
able to be used to obtain any meaningful information without
high enough frequencies; but it's a double edged sword -
the higher frequency you go, the cheaper the bulk parts, but
the less deep you can penetrate.
One would need to go down into the
low MHz or actually even KHz range, but would need to set up
an array of these devices in order to pull sufficient
telemetry back so as to create a proper "stereo"
snapshot that can be composited.
If anyone has any ideas about what
components could be useful in this area, please do reply. I
think building something like this could be both beneficial
and interesting, even if we could just start off relatively
small but to prove out some ideas.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:07 AM, [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

       Sidhartha,
This underground sea beneath
California and Nevada seems to have truth to
it.
Look a the giant torpedo the
Russians are developing, nuclear
tipped:
https://sputniknews.com/
military/201806251065770048- nuclear-super-torpedo-
development/

It would collapse the entranceways,
and create Tsunamis for our cities.
And look at this one, Number One
(#1) as you scroll down:
https://sputniknews.com/
military/201806241065727034- secret-military-systems-
leaked-top-5/

Look at the diagram. This is a
submarine built for a torpedo, not a torpedo built for a
submarine. It is huge. Most of our populations live along
the coast. In Russia, they live
inland.
The last one says: " In the
center was a massive torpedo with a stated range of 10,000
kilometers, a 1,000 meter diving depth, and a maximum speed
of up to 100 knots." They could close up the inner
sea entranceways and flood our cities from Boston to Miami
to Galveston to San Diego to
Seattle.
How
do you intercept a torpedo, or find the submarine from
10,000 kilometers out? They could hide hundreds of miles off
the coast of Mexico or off the west coast, and fire and
forget.
That
inland sea must be below the San Joaquim Valley because the
valley used to be a huge lake. When the Spaniards first
explored the San Francisco Bay, they sailed various days
inland! It extended, and they didn't bother going to the
end of it; nor did they return for many years. The valley
may have still been a lake back then. Why did the water
level fall?
Dean

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Siddhartha,

Yes, the Aztecs vanished almost right in front of the Spaniards. They went running off with pack animals and refused to hand over the ransom for Montezuma because, when they arrived within eyesight, the Spaniards murdered Montezuma so that the Aztecs could see it!

Then they saddled their horses and gave chase. How much time would that have taken? Twenty minutes to saddle horses when you are trying to chase down a fortune in gold?

And the ground was clear, it wasn't tropical rain forest or anything, Mexico City is high up and cooler than the coastal areas, and that area around what is now Mexico City was cultivated.

The Aztecs must have gone through a sliding door that goes up and down, and that has a façade that mimics and melts into the mountainside, like the one that the Pied Piper went through when he took the children into the mountain. According to the lame boy who couldn't keep up with them, he played some melody on his flute, in other words, a sequence of notes/frequencies of sound, and the door went up. When he took the adults back there and pointed out where it was, they couldn't see anything except the mountainside; or should I say hillside.

Since then, Hamelin has grown, spawled and encompassed way past that point, because it wasn't a long trip that they took, just a morning's walk, if even that much. And Mexico City, too, has grown and encompassed past the point where the Aztecs and the pack animals disappeared.

It just goes to show that, if you want to find underground worlds, you don't have to go to Tibet or the Andes Mountains; somewhere in downtown Hamelin there is a park or an estate that has some hills to it, and one of those hills has a sliding door to a tunnel system that leads to cavern worlds below. the same goes for Mexico City.

http://www.holloworbs.com/piper_of_hamelin.htm

If only we had a list member who lives in Hamelin and who understands the cavern worlds theme, then that person could go driving around and snooping a bit and take some pictures.

Not that the person would get very far ...

And how about the Brunia Monestery in Prussia? If we could catch the priests and monks when they're sober, perhaps they would help us look!

Dean

People,

It's a shame that we have to talk about ground penetrating radar and such when we know the location, in some cases we know the whereabouts, of caver world entrances. Physical access would be easy, but they are all hidden or on private propety, or the actual cavern world is deep, deep below, or caving and spelunking is prohibited.

In Brazil, the tunnel entrance outside of the small city of São Tomé das Letras is well known and people visit it or drive by. And then what? About 30 years ago the Brazilian Army sent explorers through the tunnel to explore it and they went for something like four days until they came upon a large connection room, with tunnel exits towards the West, North and South. They went West for a day and came upon a large chasm that they didn't have the means to cross, and food was low, so they went back. And caving is illegal now in Brazil without a federal permit - federal- so that's the end of that.

It is not a cave, it is a tunnel about two yards high by one and a half, with a drop off after about two or three hundred yards. Then it continues due West with a gradual but constant downward slope, maintaining its dimensions. It is not a natural cave.

But who could mount the resources? There would have to be some kind of relay of food, water and batteries, and how could someone do that unnoticed? The place is not hidden, the town has an economy, people go to work everyday, there are rock quarrries there and trucks go in and out all the time. The economy has other sources, too. What I'm saying is that we couldn't just go there even if we had the resources because we would be seen and become public spectacles; and it would be an illegal activity and we would be stopped, fined, jailed, deported or whatever.

It would be much easier to do than entering the hollow earth at the polar entrances, we could do it all in T-shirts, tennis shoes and shorts, and it would be much less expensive than anything Arctic. But it is equally impossible as your chances of entering the hollow earth.

Another one is Mount Moncayo in Spain. There is a huge highway that goes from Barcelona to Zaragoza to Madrid. At the City of Soria along the way, off towards the horizon, the huge mountain of Mount Moncayo is visible from Soria (it is hard to miss) We have the account of a shepherd boy who went in a cave entrance behind some bushes where he was search for a lost sheep. (It wasn't Mary's little lamb because she lived in England) Anyway, the cavern world wasn't way down any tunnelways or through meandering caves, right away he came upon some cretures and their mining activies, beheld it all for a minute, then blacked out. He was found just outside the entrance of the town in a fever and barely alive. He briefly recounted what he had seen and died a short bit later.

So if we want to go to São Tomé, we can; and if we want to go to Mount Moncayo, we can; but then what?

I think I'll stick with the ground penetrating radar. Even if we stand only a hundred yards from some entranceway, seen or unseen, it is safer.

I hate to be a naysayer, but it is all so, so close; but so far away.

Dean

Here’s an interesting story. ;->

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/24/army-spending-half-billion-train-troops-fight-underground.html

Gene in Oregon

Gene,

First of all, they blow so much money I can't believe it. In the missile age, the day of the surface ship is over and they're still building aircraft carreirs.

But then they have a Pacific coast and an Atlantic coast, and they don't have enough army for both sides. The thing to fear is having the Russians, Chinese and Koreans come across the bearing straits, and 6 million armed Cuban military and paramilitary. The they go sending troops to the European border with Russia because Europe hardly has an armed forces anymore, but they sap us on trade.

This underground fighting training is something they need, but I think it is too little, too late. I can just imagine what is beneath us.

Dean

Gene,

How long have you been on the list? I don't recall seeing your name before.

Dean

A few years.

I seldom post anything but enjoy reading the info from the more active members.

Gene

Gene,

How long have you been on the list? I don't recall seeing your name before.

Dean

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From: mailto:[email protected]

Gene , great to hear from you and after reading the article you posted , I am all the more convinced that high strength GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) technology already exists and why it is not available to (or known to) civilians :

Most of the largest military hubs of nations around the world are located in subterranean bases and GPR devices in the hands of the common man , could prove to be hugely inconvenient (understatement) !

Right from the start of the satellite era , back in the 1960s , it's become virtually impossible for any nation to hide it's most sensitive military bases from discovery (or attack) . So , it was only logical for the biggest military bases (the world over) to be located deep underground .

Regards

···

On Wednesday, July 11, 2018, 5:45:06 AM GMT, 'Gene' [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

A few years.

I seldom post anything but enjoy reading the info from the more active members.

Gene

From: mailto:[email protected]

Gene,

How long have you been on the list? I don't recall seeing your name before.

Dean

Gene and All,

I'm from D.C., and I remember when I lived in a house when I was about 13, during the 1968 - 1969 period. I was reading in the newspaper, sitting on the front steps of my house during the summer, about an underground city in West Virginia, that it was a place where they would take the Congress and Senate and their families, and the top people in Washington, in case of nuclear war. It was described as being very comfortable, having parks, artificial lighting and such. I can't remember what the source of electricity was. It was supposed to be able to accomodate 10,000 people.

The gist of the article was exactly that we had a few more out West, and larger, but that this had to be a major project for the military to build up because the Russians already had such things, and that they were ahead of us.

I think that they have many more now, we have all heard of such things, such as in those Branton files.

Dean

List Members,

Speaking of accessable entrances to underground worlds, the Orellana Expedition comes to mind. His expedition (it was Pizzaro's but he stole it) was the first to go all the way down the Amazon River, he went from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic.

Near the City of Santarem his expedition had a battle with the indians of a waterside settlement, and there were Amazons in the rear guard. They were shot by musket fire and seen up close by the members of the expedition, and most of the indians fled the scene. Orellana interrogated some of the indians, and took one as a prisoner for about two months.

He was exceptional because he would take the tribute to an Amazon town and was familiar with them. He told that it was a few days journey North from the river, that they had 70 towns in their region, and that the town he went to, at least, was all of stone. There was even a stone wall around it, and he descibed a large building inside made of stone, which was their place of worship and assembly. There were dwellings, too.

Thye Amazons can be accurately traced as far back as Cappadocia during Roman and Greek times, and Cappadoccia has more than one underground complex, so they knew the score when it comes to underground worlds. And their migration can be followed as far as Carthage and northwest Africa, and the indians of the Carribbean told the Spaniards that the Amazons lived underground, accessed through a cave entrance in the hills. They were told that their cavern world was deep, but space limited.

The point of the Amazon town near the battle that took place is known, it is a the confluence with the Madeira River right about present-day Santarem, and the Amazons were a few days inland by pack animals along a well cut and well defined road, and that their construction was permanent because it was large and made of stone.

The indian villages were 500 yards from one to the next, stretched along something like 1,500 miles, and had from 5,000 to 10,000 inhabitants each. The land directly behind was flat, close cropped and cultivated; the junggle has since reclaimed all that.

One point that I would like to make is that more agricultural tribute was handed over to them than they could consume. No indians were allowed inside although, on a few occasions, when too many villages sent tribute that arrived on the same day, some would be pushed forward and unloaded there; on one occasion, Orellana's prisoner had goine in under such circumstances. No one was ever allowed in at night.

I am thnking because that town received so much food that they even had backlogs unloading it, that most of it went below to the Amazons in the cavern worlds, and that they came up at night to take it down. That implies an entrance to underground worlds.

That town, and the others, much still be there underneath the present-day jungle canopy.

I am also thinking that it would be interesting to go to Santarem and rent a boat, go up to the confluence, and send out a drone with enough radar to penetrate jungle leaves, and locate the stone city. Boats go all up and down the Amazon River, and that city can't be more than 50 miles inland.

Interesting idea, huh?

Dean

Soretna , Dean , Sheridan , this is turning out to be quite a discussion thread !

Dean , I feel the concern you very rightly voiced about submarines potentially attacking points of geological vulnerability (in the event of a military conflict) , the veritable Achilles heel of even the most powerful nations...highlights a very disturbing trend of military strategists these days "weaponising anything and everything" , even if it means disfiguring the very face of the Earth we ALL live on...so there you have it - a clear reason why such GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) technology is considered "highly sensitive" .

Soretna , to your point about our group trying to possibly build our very own GPR tech to do Hollow Earth research, well at least that would be a constructive use of such technology . I have a strong hunch though , that fairly powerful GPR devices already exist in the military Industrial complex (including their spy satellites) , which are off limits for the common public . I brainstormed a bit to figure out who all would need to use GPR on a large scale (besides "Black Ops") :

1. Seismologists - GPR would be a perfect tool for them to peer down into the cavern worlds/volcanic vents beneath the surface and significantly improve their ability to forecast earthquakes and volcanic eruptions .

2. The petroleum / oil & gas industry

3. The mining industry

4. Archaeologists / Hollow Earth researchers like us !

5. Treasure hunters searching for buried treasure , ha ha :))

I am willing to bet that if reasonably powerful GPR technology became available to our group , we would be able to validate more than 90% of the claims of cavern worlds , made by native tribes/peoples of many different regions in the world - I mean , prove that most of those traditional stories are actually TRUE !

The frequent stories of Spaniards losing track of native American tribes who "vanished" without a trace from the face of the Earth, or Geronimo's ability to disappear from one place and reappear at another , just few days later (confusing those who were hunting him down) , are a clear sign that cavern networks/tunnels were being used for such dramatic escapes .

Regards

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On Sat, 7/7/18, 'Sheridan L. Crawford' [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Re: Submarine Base under the Nevada Desert ?
To: "Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW]" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 6:52 PM

         Excellent!

                     On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 7:51:33 AM AKDT, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:
                 

       Dean, I've always wondered
this too about the San Joaquin Valley and would like to see
some more research and data about it. This makes a lot of
sense and would seem to allude to near recent geological
activity that's creating some serious problems for the
region.
Sidhartha, one
thing I find interesting as I have inquiries from some
techheads who work in the radar industry is that they say
that GPR (ground penetrating radar) is too fickle. I.e. not
able to be used to obtain any meaningful information without
high enough frequencies; but it's a double edged sword -
the higher frequency you go, the cheaper the bulk parts, but
the less deep you can penetrate.
One would need to go down into the
low MHz or actually even KHz range, but would need to set up
an array of these devices in order to pull sufficient
telemetry back so as to create a proper "stereo"
snapshot that can be composited.
If anyone has any ideas about what
components could be useful in this area, please do reply. I
think building something like this could be both beneficial
and interesting, even if we could just start off relatively
small but to prove out some ideas.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:07 AM, [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

       Sidhartha,
This underground sea beneath
California and Nevada seems to have truth to
it.
Look a the giant torpedo the
Russians are developing, nuclear
tipped:
https://sputniknews.com/
military/201806251065770048- nuclear-super-torpedo-
development/

It would collapse the entranceways,
and create Tsunamis for our cities.
And look at this one, Number One
(#1) as you scroll down:
https://sputniknews.com/
military/201806241065727034- secret-military-systems-
leaked-top-5/

Look at the diagram. This is a
submarine built for a torpedo, not a torpedo built for a
submarine. It is huge. Most of our populations live along
the coast. In Russia, they live
inland.
The last one says: " In the
center was a massive torpedo with a stated range of 10,000
kilometers, a 1,000 meter diving depth, and a maximum speed
of up to 100 knots." They could close up the inner
sea entranceways and flood our cities from Boston to Miami
to Galveston to San Diego to
Seattle.
How
do you intercept a torpedo, or find the submarine from
10,000 kilometers out? They could hide hundreds of miles off
the coast of Mexico or off the west coast, and fire and
forget.
That
inland sea must be below the San Joaquim Valley because the
valley used to be a huge lake. When the Spaniards first
explored the San Francisco Bay, they sailed various days
inland! It extended, and they didn't bother going to the
end of it; nor did they return for many years. The valley
may have still been a lake back then. Why did the water
level fall?
Dean

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On a lighter note , just imagine what fictional characters such as Indiana Jones or Lara Croft could have achieved in their archaeological investigations , if only they had GPR devices at their disposal ! Are the Hollywood script writers listening ?? :))

Regards

···

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On Sun, 7/8/18, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Re: Submarine Base under the Nevada Desert ?
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, July 8, 2018, 5:37 AM

       Soretna , Dean , Sheridan , this is turning out to
be quite a discussion thread !

Dean , I feel the concern you very rightly voiced about
submarines potentially attacking points of geological
vulnerability (in the event of a military conflict) , the
veritable Achilles heel of even the most powerful
nations....highlights a very disturbing trend of military
strategists these days "weaponising anything and
everything" , even if it means disfiguring the very
face of the Earth we ALL live on...so there you have it - a
clear reason why such GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar)
technology is considered "highly sensitive" .

Soretna , to your point about our group trying to possibly
build our very own GPR tech to do Hollow Earth research,
well at least that would be a constructive use of such
technology . I have a strong hunch though , that fairly
powerful GPR devices already exist in the military
Industrial complex (including their spy satellites) , which
are off limits for the common public . I brainstormed a bit
to figure out who all would need to use GPR on a large scale
(besides "Black Ops") :

1. Seismologists - GPR would be a perfect tool for them to
peer down into the cavern worlds/volcanic vents beneath the
surface and significantly improve their ability to forecast
earthquakes and volcanic eruptions .

2. The petroleum / oil & gas industry

3. The mining industry

4. Archaeologists / Hollow Earth researchers like us !

5. Treasure hunters searching for buried treasure , ha ha
:))

I am willing to bet that if reasonably powerful GPR
technology became available to our group , we would be able
to validate more than 90% of the claims of cavern worlds ,
made by native tribes/peoples of many different regions in
the world - I mean , prove that most of those traditional
stories are actually TRUE !

The frequent stories of Spaniards losing track of native
American tribes who "vanished" without a trace
from the face of the Earth, or Geronimo's ability to
disappear from one place and reappear at another , just few
days later (confusing those who were hunting him down) , are
a clear sign that cavern networks/tunnels were being used
for such dramatic escapes .

Regards

--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 7/7/18, 'Sheridan L. Crawford' [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Re: Submarine Base under
the Nevada Desert ?

  To: "Soretna [email protected]
[ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW]"
<[email protected]>

  Date: Saturday, July 7, 2018, 6:52 PM

  

          Excellent!

                      On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 7:51:33
AM

  AKDT, Soretna [email protected]
[ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW]

  <[email protected]> wrote:

  

        Dean, I've always wondered

  this too about the San Joaquin Valley and would like to
see

  some more research and data about it. This makes a lot
of

  sense and would seem to allude to near recent geological

  activity that's creating some serious problems for
the

  region.

  Sidhartha, one

  thing I find interesting as I have inquiries from some

  techheads who work in the radar industry is that they
say

  that GPR (ground penetrating radar) is too fickle. I.e.
not

  able to be used to obtain any meaningful information
without

  high enough frequencies; but it's a double edged sword
-

  the higher frequency you go, the cheaper the bulk parts,
but

  the less deep you can penetrate.

  One would need to go down into the

  low MHz or actually even KHz range, but would need to set
up

  an array of these devices in order to pull sufficient

  telemetry back so as to create a proper
"stereo"

  snapshot that can be composited.

  If anyone has any ideas about what

  components could be useful in this area, please do reply.
I

  think building something like this could be both
beneficial

  and interesting, even if we could just start off
relatively

  small but to prove out some ideas.

  On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at

  10:07 AM, [email protected]

  [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW]
<[email protected]>

  wrote:

  

        Sidhartha,

  This underground sea beneath

  California and Nevada seems to have truth to

  it.

  Look a the giant torpedo the

  Russians are developing, nuclear

  tipped:

  https://sputniknews.com/

  military/201806251065770048- nuclear-super-torpedo-

  development/

  It would collapse the entranceways,

  and create Tsunamis for our cities.

  And look at this one, Number One

  (#1) as you scroll down:

  https://sputniknews.com/

  military/201806241065727034- secret-military-systems-

  leaked-top-5/

  Look at the diagram. This is a

  submarine built for a torpedo, not a torpedo built for a

  submarine. It is huge. Most of our populations live
along

  the coast. In Russia, they live

  inland.

  The last one says: " In the

  center was a massive torpedo with a stated range
of 10,000

  kilometers, a 1,000 meter diving depth, and a maximum
speed

  of up to 100 knots." They could close up the
inner

  sea entranceways and flood our cities from Boston to
Miami

  to Galveston to San Diego to

  Seattle.

  How

  do you intercept a torpedo, or find the submarine from

  10,000 kilometers out? They could hide hundreds of miles
off

  the coast of Mexico or off the west coast, and fire and

  forget.

  That

  inland sea must be below the San Joaquim Valley because
the

  valley used to be a huge lake. When the Spaniards first

  explored the San Francisco Bay, they sailed various days

  inland! It extended, and they didn't bother going to
the

  end of it; nor did they return for many years. The
valley

  may have still been a lake back then. Why did the water

  level fall?

  Dean

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Folks , this article is for those in our group who might still be sceptical about the extensive cavern networks underneath California (extending undersea right upto the Pacific Ocean)...Well , guess what - then how can a submarine base exist in middle of the arid desert of Nevada ??? There is no water in a desert , so how can there be a submarine base there ??

The answer to that is - if some undersea caverns extend deep inland , from beneath California , then it might be possible to have submarines operating under the Nevada desert in those seawater filled caverns...

But wait , it gets still more interesting - Death Valley , which is not far from this Submarine base of the Nevada desert , itself sits on top of a gigantic cavern beneath , so much so , that it's believed a major earthquake could potentially collapse the floor of Death Valley
(or the top of that underground cavern , depending which way you think about it) , revealing a canyon possibly as grand as the Grand Canyon itself
...this got me thinking : what if the Grand Canyon itself was formed after some prehistoric earthquake that collapsed the roof of the cavern , hence opening up that underground Cavern into an Open canyon - the Grand Canyon !

Then just when I thought , all this couldn't get any weirder , I read somewhere that some native American tribes in California have reported hearing the sound of sea waves inside some underground caverns and even heard whales singing ! The only way that could be true is if some undersea cavern network from the Pacific coast of America , extends deep inland beneath California...

http://www.subterraneanbases.com/navy-submarine-base-under-the-nevada-desert/

Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?

What ever happened with Steve Fossett ?

John Lear says it might have to do with an Above Top Secret UNDERGROUND Submarine Base.

John revealed it’s location and he thinks the Base Commander was pissed.

A short time later Steve Fossett turns up missing.

The Navy Sub Base in Nevada might have thought

John Lear was in the plane (photographing the location).

The aircraft was ordered to be shot down.

Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed aircraft.

That is why the Mega Search turned up NOTHING.

So…We do NOT know how true the above is. But….

The
City of Hawthorne continues to blossom to the south of Walker Lake with
restaurants and motels offering provisions, diversions and accommodations for travelers.

It’s a five minute drive out of town
to the north, but instead of continuing to Walker Lake Hawthorne’s fourth and grandest wonder turn west into “the Base.” This was once the headquarters for the US Navy Ammunition Depot, and is now a minor paradise enjoyed by its residents and by visitors alike. Take ten minute
driving tour of this astonishing remnant from another age. Just drive in; if there is a security guard on duty, just say “Golf Course” and you’re in.

Your tour ends at the Walker Lake Country Club, where a beautiful 9-hole golf course (open to the public) was the best-kept military secret in America for 50 years. It was built by base employees, four holes at first, and then two at a time until the
ninth hole was completed 30 years ago.

“Where is everybody?” we asked the manager.

“‘I
don’t know,’ he said. “It’s always like this out here.’ I thought he was going to add, ‘in heaven.'” The club house is a favorite meeting place for local decision-makers.

** Hawthorne
is on the main Las Vegas-Reno highway and serves as Nevada’s gateway to
Yosemite and the eastern Sierra via the Pole Line Road (Nevada 359) connecting with US 395 and the Tioga Pass.** Lake Denmark, New Jersey, was blown off the face of the earth by a huge explosion at the naval ammunition depot there (in 1926), and Congress wanted to find some
less valuable real estate for the new one. After a nationwide search, Hawthorne was the choice, the Yucca Mountain of its time.

In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of Officers to provide oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. A court of inquiry investigating the explosion recommended that a depot be established in a
remote area within 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of the west coast to serve the Pacific area. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in July 1928, and NAD received its first shipment of high explosives on October 19, 1930.

Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided by the U.S. Marine Corps. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War II, 600 Marines were assigned to the facility. In 1977, that number had been reduced to 117; security is contracted to a private company.

The following progression illustrates the result through World War II:

1930 pop.: 680

1940 pop.: 1,009

1944 pop.: 13,000

1950 pop.: 1,861

With
more than 7,000 armed forces and civilian workers at the arsenal during
the war, Hawthorne was the busiest Nevada boomtown in a generation. By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government housing at nearby Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom was over. Growth
since has been slow, and today the ammunition depot plays a diminishing
role in Hawthorne’s economy, although its bunkers still pimple the desert as they have for more than 75 years. The Gulf War brought more good times to Hawthorne, and the base now under civilian management is bulging more than ever with munitions.

In
1984, after nearly 50 years without a major mishap, one of the storage bunkers exploded. The blast was contained as intended, blowing up instead of out, and the deeply feared chain-reaction causing immense damage and loss of life did not occur. In the early 1990s a bunker detonated for no discernible cause, unless it was provoked by a lightning storm the previous day.

···

The depot began its existence as the Hawthorne Naval Ammunition Depot (NAD).

The Hawthorne Army Depot
is a huge ammunition storage site located near the town of Hawthorne in
western Nevada in the United States. It is directly south of Walker Lake. The depot covers 147,000 acres (595 km), and has 600,000 square feet (55,700 m) of floor space in 2,427 storage bunkers. It is said to be the largest such facility in the world. The depot is run by an independent contractor under an agreement with the government. Security is contracted to a private company.

In
May 2005, the facility was included on the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure list, with closure being recommended. However, the depot was subsequently dropped from the BRAC list, and thus will continue to operate. In 1998-1999, the facility was used to destroy the U.S. stockpile of M687 chemical artillery shells and separate from them their 505 tons (458 metric tons) of binary precursor chemicals.

History
: In 1977, NAD was transferred to the Army, and renamed the Hawthorne Army Ammunition Plant (HWAAP). In 1980, HWAAP was redesignated as a government-owned contractor-operated facility. Day & Zimmermann Hawthorne Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor. In 1994, the facility received its current name of the Hawthorne Army Depot
(HWAD).

********************* http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/hawthorne.htm

HWAD claims to be the “Worlds Largest Depot” and is the largest industrial activity in the state of Nevada.

Hawthorne
Army Depot is located in the west central part of Nevada close to the California state line. It is approximately two hours southeast of Reno on US Highway 95. The facility’s area 147,000 Acres (Leased/Owned) and .6M Sq. Ft. Floor Space. Facilities include 178 Buildings and 2,427 Igloos.

In
1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor, Pennsylvania, was awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award fee contract for the operation and maintenance of a government owned/contractor operated facility.

*************** Why would we want a submarine base in Nevada ?

A big enough lake and possible under water entrance into a lab area. NUWC stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map.

This map might help: http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1479/flyingmranchatsauy1.png

****************** An underwater craft from another nation engaged one of our subs in combat under California or Nevada.

Babbitt was a government housing facility in Mineral County, Nevada, United States. It was established in 1941.

Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD Hawthorne, H.S. Babbitt.

During its existence, Babbitt was assigned the ZIP code of 89416.


Per
John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne Nevada access
the West Coast using underground elevators and train.
John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel system used by the Military.
Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta Basin in NE Utah and to Dulce New Mexico?
The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct line heading NNE from Hawthorne to the Ranch.

Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from Uinta Basin and SE from Hawthorne.

(Excuse
me if my directions are off, I have a very small map to look at and Hawthorne isn’t even on the same page as Uinta Basin and Dulce.

Is it possible that these three areas are part of the underground tunnel/train/waterway Network ?

I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was mentioned in info about the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch. Certainly similar unexplained activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta Basin. (Also prob in the whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena occurred near Hawthorne?


Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?

Topic started on 1-9-2007 @ 01:29 AM by****JOHN LEAR : http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1

During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno many times and was always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before entering the
town of Hawthorne. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from Las Vegas and
about two and a half hours drive from Reno.)

It used to read “Naval Undersea Warfare Training Center”. Today it reads “Naval Undersea Warfare Center”. They must have made the change in
the past year or so. Maybe longer.

Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition is made, tested
and stored. Endless rows of ammunition bunkers dot both sides of the road.

Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The East Walker river drains into it and over the past 20 years has become shallower and shallower. The lake is about 18 miles long and about 8 miles wide the longer axis running north and south.

It can’t be very deep. I am not good at judging lake depths, maybe 100 feet? 150 feet? Certainly wouldn’t seem deep enough for a Ohio, Virginia, Seawolf,Los Angeles. Maybe that little nuclear powered Fast Attack Sub. But I know nothing about submarines.

And the lake itself certainly wouldn’t be big enough or deep enough to train for Undersea Warfare. Or so it would seem.

There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a shelf underneath which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean. Maybe the Pacific Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne Nevada (and even
further?).

Maybe there is some kind of access from the surface of the desert within the area occupied by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center. And maybe
if you go deep enough there is a huge part of the Pacific Ocean in which the Navy conducts Undersea Warfare training.

Impossible? Improbable? So it would seem.

But let’s assume that it might be true. There would have to be a route from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. If we take a set of dividers and place one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at the closest portion of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in Monterey Bay, just south of San Francisco. Just north of Fort Ord.

The distance is roughly about 212 statute miles.

Now let’s also assume that there is traffic both to and from Monterey
Bay and Hawthorne Nevada. We would probably have to have to separate channels, one for each direction of travel. If it’s a sea how can we separate these channels? I don’t know.

Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines representing these channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. If a submarine where to make 33 knots the trip would take about five and a half hours.


Over the past 20 years I have heard stories of a huge U.S. Navy submarine base under the desert in Hawthorne Nevada.

In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico
“Patriot” who published the anti-Communist oriented “REBEL MAGAZINE” (at the time available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J. Williams. Pres., 2011 Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310) revealed some incredible details on an alleged subterranean system which
the Navy had been exploring below the western United States. The report
appeared in issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced in the Fall, 1985 (#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by Marjorie Palmer, widow of the late Ray Palmer.

The article, titled ‘CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?’, revealed the following:

“Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV
interview-show briefly mention that parts of California and neighboring
states are floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking Naval officer on a top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is) exploring and mapping these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath
the West for over 10 years now.

“A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. He is now living quietly in retirement
and asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he does not want publicity and government attention. After writing this article, I destroyed my files on him. This is his story…”

Williams explains that not “all” of the areas in question are actually “resting” or “floating” on the ocean, however there are allegedly many subterranean cavities
below the western U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many of them consist of very large water-filled aqua-systems. These have
been explored via nuclear submarines to several hundred miles inland, particularly in the region of southern California and the southern Oregon – northern California area. Williams continues:

“…When he retired several years ago, in spite of about 10 years of intensive Naval study, the Navy had not gotten even a handle on their exacts and dimensions. Today, the story may be different.

“He makes the following statements from his observations:

“1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from a few to thousands of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100 feet.

“2. Much like dry caverns do, heights
and depths vary a great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or passageways pass over or under each other at different depths.

“3. Most of the entrances lie just off the Continental Shelf (ie. or rather, WITHIN the lower slopes/cliffs of the Continental Shelf – Branton).

“4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine investigation; and many that are large enough lie in waters that are too deep.

“5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped with oil while some others are filled with gases believed to approximate our atmosphere
(in very ancient times).

“6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion of the original cavernous area that collapsed eons ago due to it’s sheer weight.

“7. What is being passed off as the ‘San Andreas Fault’ are large, unsupported chambers that are in the process of collapsing. When the BIG
ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe that most of California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and slide into the ocean! (it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass which some believe may have been connected to what is now California, broke off and
sunk into the ocean during an ancient cataclysm – Branton)

“8. (We are deleting this section due to the possibility of undue stress and fear which may result from it’s disclosure. Also, because of recent international events which may have resulted in a solution to this problem. We will merely state that it involves a scenario similar to that which was portrayed in a James Bond movie, and which concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear weapons, and the San Andreas fault – Branton).

“9. A WELL-KNOWN U.S. nuclear submarine lost its way in these passages and disappeared forever. It was reported to have been lost IN OPEN SEA ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total ignorance and to
justify an enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who died in recent years) for providing the fictitious “recovery” effort. “I have
no reason to doubt the man. I can’t tell for sure whether or not these caverns and passageways exist or to their extents. The story does sound a
bit fantastic but I have no reason to doubt the man. I have seen copies
of documentation
that at least prove that he was a high ranking Naval officer (nuclear submarine duty) and a distinguished scientist. In fact, his scientific background and reputation are impeccable. He definitely cannot be labeled as a crackpot, lunatic or publicity-seeker. I would very much like more information on this topic…”

After further inquiries to Mr. Williams on the part of ‘inner earth’ researchers, Williams responded with the following when asked whether or
not he had received any replies to his request for more information about the alleged passageways below California:“Since publishing our article on the vast cavern network
under much of California, we have received many responses and inquiries. Some of these responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. Note that the material sent to us for this article was written by someone of very high repute whose credentials I personally checked out.

“Due to an agreement with him, I cannot reveal his identity. One response was from a retired (conventional submarine duty? – Branton) submarine commander, who according to him, spent many years in the waters off California. He stated that the caverns do NOT exist.

“Another response was from an anonymous person who cited unpublished oil company seismographical data ,
and stated, ‘Although most of the caverns you depict in your drawing are smaller, larger or located somewhat differently than the actual caverns, you are essentially correct… My information is more up-to-date than what you apparently relied upon.’ He (or she) did not supply any maps to pin down our differences, just some written descriptions. However, some knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her) overall ‘map’ from the voluminous seismographical data sent. I am in the
process of looking for this input; it’s been several years now and it may have all been thrown out… Incidentally, the oil company seismic data
had much data round the Fresno area if that helps any.

“One incident which tends to confirm the fact that California is in fact floating on the ocean was a story which made the headlines in recent years.

“This incident involved an oil discovery beneath Long Beach, California. When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground beneath Long Beach it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING INTO THE OCEAN!

“It sank up to 26 feet
and dikes had to be built to keep out the water. The problem is (temporarily) being rectified by ‘water injection’–i.e. pumping an equivalent amount of WATER into the ground to the amount of oil and water taken out, in order to keep the city AFLOAT!”

One thing which may be
of interest in connection with Mr. Williams’ account was a statement which was made by a prominent California Bigfoot investigator by the name of Virginia Louise Swanson, who has done a good deal of study on caves and their connections to the Bigfoot phenomena. She refers to these caverns in the following words:

“…Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of Death Valley is located on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. A certain type of earthquake would collapse all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that would open up into another Grand Canyon.”

According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines ever to disappear under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER and the U.S.S. SCORPION. It is uncertain whether the retired Navy Officer who John J. Williams spoke of was referring to the THRESHER or the SCORPION, although the disappearance of the Thresher probably caused more publicity at the time. The Thresher was the LEAD SHIP or ‘Flag’ ship in the world’s most advanced class of nuclear attack submarines. She was designed to operate deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors and was also endowed with significant advances in sonar equipment, in noise reduction ,
and in fire-control. All in all, she was the most advanced international submarine in the world at the time of her disappearance and would have been an ideal choice for a top-secret mission such as the
exploration of the caverns mentioned by John Williams’ source.

On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the Thresher, under the command of Lt. Commander John W. Harvey ,
USN, with a total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian technicians, and observers) disappeared without explanation. NOT A SINGLE TRACE or clue as to the fate of the craft, or it’s occupants, were ever recovered: no oil slicks, radiation, floating debris, or similar signs of wreckage were ever seen. It is interesting to note that
almost all of the reports at the time stated the ship had “disappeared,” or was “lost,” not “sunk!” One woman whose husband was on
the ill-fated ship reported her belief that her husband was still ALIVE! Theologically speaking, the possibility of a long-distance
connection or “communion” on a deep, emotional level between a husband and a wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm of the occult or “psychic” phenomena. Many religions believe that the very spiritual natures of a husband and a wife are united upon the consummation of a marriage, and thus they become, as Christian teachings
say, “one flesh”.

The actual words of this woman, who was interviewed by Will Carson and Jeannie Joy — two writers devoted to pursuing strange events — shortly after the Thresher incident, were as follows:

“My husband was on the
submarine Thresher when it disappeared. I don’t consider myself a widow. I don’t believe my husband is dead. No, it’s not a matter of just
not being able to believe it, to accept reality; I just can’t get over the conviction that he’s still alive somewhere. I love my husband very much. I know he loved–loves me. We were very close. We could always tell
when something was wrong with each other. Intuition, I guess. I should have felt something the instant there was trouble, if he was really in serious trouble and knew it–a matter of life and death–but I didn’t.”

“What do you believe really happened?” Carson and Joy asked the attractive young woman.

“Most people think I’m crazy when I say this, but I believe the Thresher was captured.”

“By whom?”

“I
can’t say for sure, but there WAS a Russian submarine spotted near there that day (…that is, near where it REPORTEDLY vanished 220 miles off Boston
harbor — so either the Thresher DID sink there, off Boston harbor… OR the government created an elaborate ‘cover story’ of it sinking off the east coast when in fact it went through the Panama
canal and disappeared near the west coast, or BENEATH the west coast… or, IF the Thresher did disappear off of Boston harbor, then the nuclear
sub that disappered in the aqua-caves of California may have been yet another – possibly top secret – submarine. Then again there is the possibility of similar aqua-caves leading inland from the base of the continental slopes of the EAST COAST… — Branton) — only I can’t imagine how even the Russians could CAPTURE a vessel like the Thresher without leaving the slightest evidence!”

The following account, concerning an area just east of BISHOP (OWENS VALLEY), CALIFORNIA, was related by Val Valerian in his ‘LEADING EDGE’ Newsletter ,
Dec. 1989 – Jan. 1990 issue. The article, titled: ‘DEEP SPRING’S, CALIFORNIA’, stated: “Deep Springs, California is an area that is becoming known as the site for very strange events. According to the information released both on the air on KVEG-AM and from other sources, the area is full of strange people wandering around in black suits. There have also been rumors that there is an underground facility in the
area. Checking with gravity anomaly maps proved that there are large cavities under the ground in that area. The wildest claims relative to the area have stated that alien lifeforms are being released there… Deep
Springs Lake has been probed and it appears bottomless. Divers have traveled along an underground river 27 miles toward the Las Vegas area before having to turn around.” (This ‘river’ would probably have been a ‘partially’ water-filled cave with a large stream or river flowing through it, rather than an entirely underwater passage, since 27 miles would undoubtedly be entirely out of the question if it were all underwater travel, with present diving technology – Branton).

The Underground Empire

( Branton — File No. 008 )


Back to John Lear :

I pulled across the road to the entrance just short of the shack a lady in Army uniform came over and told me I couldn’t take pictures. I mentioned to her that I was just going to take a picture of the sign which was less than ten feet from the highway. She told me I couldn’t take pictures anywhere around there.

I asked her if I could sign up for a tour. She responded vehemently in the negative. She then advised me that she should call the Military
Police to confiscate my camera. I told her that I hadn’t had time to take a picture and that I was just happened to be leaving at that moment. She waved me to turn around and jotted down my car license number. I was going to ask her if there were any submarines parked underground but she was Army and I figured she probably wouldn’t have known.

So. What do you think? Is there a vast underground sea under California and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various directions? Maybe one that goes to Las Vegas?

Is there a possibility that the Navy does operate submarines from Monterey Bay via an underground sea which extends underneath the San Joaquin Valley, then under the Sierra Nevada mountain range to a Naval Undersea Warfare Center deep below the Nevada desert in Hawthorne Nevada?

Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear reactor at Aristarchus on the moon I’ll believe anything.


Last
Tuesday I drove from Reno to Las Vegas after attending the Bay Area UFO
Expo. As I drove through Hawthorne I came upon the entrance to the Naval Undersea Warfare Center which is on the north side of the road I pulled over to the right and took out my camera
to get a picture of the sign. As I rolled down the window and lifted my
camera I heard a bunch of shouting and guards waving their arms from the guard shack.

AREA #51 connected to Hawthorne ?

It was the recollection of a former worker at the NTS that “an awful lot of drilling” was done in Area 19, but relatively few Nuclear blasts.
He says there was a story released that the drillers hit an underground
lake as a result the NTS was not able to fully utilize the area.


Ubehebe Crater system contains several volcanic craters, cinder cones
and ash hills, all relics from an explosive steam eruption about 2,000 years ago, when rising magma met an underground lake.

Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park

http://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/ubehebe_crater.html


So
are any of you going to try and explain the fact that the area is approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains its water level?
John
Lear responds : “I would speculate that there are elevators that go down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that go far deeper have been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area, the Nevada Test Site and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue. Thanks for
the post.”

************************************Another Post from John Lear :

WOW!
Antar you just blew my mind! Yes. Many years ago a Navy friend of mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE… I had completely forgotten about that. He also told me about the “TUBES”, the Navy underground transportation system. He told me that the techs that worked
in the tubes were called “tubemoles”. Thanks for the memory jog!


Post by PWEAGLE :

I’m here in Laughlin area and frequently drive back home to the high desert from the high desert, lol. Driving on interstate 40 I can’t help but wonder how many undiscovered holes there are in the desert. There Mitchell’s caverns but those are small but whose to say that a little bit of dynamite couldn’t open it up to something even bigger. Its a big desert with many possibilities.

I wouldn’t dough the possibility of 200 mile+ underground river and channels.
Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth and decided to stay there rather then come back or maybe they where captured who knows but its fun to think about it.

Time to Google map some of these places and see if there’s any strange things going on. Thanks john

I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last year and they said it
ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. I sure there are many cavities dotting the desert floor, possibly leading to one another in a vast wedding of underground channels.

I just can’t help to think that there all connected.


I’ve heard of saline lakes in California, Mono lake comes to mind : http://www.monolake.org/


Topic started on 17-3-2007 @ 11:23 AM by allMIGHTY

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1

I searched the forum before and there was no match for it. If so, then sry
for posting.

I found a sign with Google Earth for a very huge underground base that could have the size of about 12 x 6 kilometers in the north of the
China Lake Naval Weapons base.

There is a earthquake-pattern of which the most occured in the year
1982/83. I really think they where underground detonations for
creating a huge underground installation.

I’m proud to show you a very cool sign of one of the biggest underground

bases that you ever seen before.

GO TO : http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4096/base02oo2.th.jpg

the coordinates are 35-41’6.16″N – 117-41’35.12″W

at the China Lake Naval Base. The earthquake pattern is directly in the

upper left beneath the base.


Navy Sets Up New Facility For Tunnel-Warfare Training : http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2002/Nov/Navy_Sets_Up.htm

Well, it looks like there may be something to it after all.

Using the abandoned mines at China Lake, U.S. units can learn how to operate in such environments, Manofsky said.

“Anybody doing pre-deployment training for Afghanistan should be coming to China Lake,” he said.
“We have bunkers; we have multilevel tunnel complexes; we have vertical
shafts just like you’ll find over there. Some of them look exactly like
Afghan aqueducts.”

Three
of the tunnel locations are fully instrumented with weather stations and environmental sensing equipment inside and outside.
“Once a month, our reservists go out and do a data sweep,” Manofsky said. The tunnels are so spread out that the job takes a full day. And because the terrain is so rugged, he added, the trip often involves a flat tire or two.


reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar

Mr. Lear

Don’t know if this is relevant or not…..” The Devils Hole water level reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a connection with a
massive underground sea below.” I know people have disappeared while exploring Devil’s Hole. Never to be found. Reports are: there’s a large subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss. Wonder’s how many disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going to Devils Hole when the weather gets a little cooler. I’ll try and get some good photo’s. If we run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few questions or Not


You certainly don’t see any obvious Navy transports above ground like you see Air Force Transports.

John
Lear : I know that there was a secret NAVY base at Lake Tahoe, at least
there was in 1983. Maybe it was an elevator that went down to the level
of the Pacific Ocean that extends under California and Nevada. Maybe there is a similar facility at Pyramid Lake. There is definately one at Walker Lake. Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that underground ocean (actually its not an ‘underground ocean’ its the same level as the
rest of the Pacific, it is the land that is ‘above water’ so to speak) to travel around.

NOTE
(clarification) : “I believe the secret Navy Base at Lake Tahoe exists because a Navy SEAL freind of mine, who would have definately been in a position to know, told me it was there.


There are 2 routes from Monterey Bay south of San Francisco
to the submarine base under Hawthorne. I believe one is used for each direction, one going in and one coming out. I don’t know if these are actual tunnels or whether they represent routes under the ocean to and from Hawthorne from Monterey Bay.


Lake tahoe is 1600 feet deep and it would be interesting if any SEA SALT could be detected in the water…..

NOTE
: Unlikely. Lake Tahoe is 6200 ft. above mean sea level. If it were 1600 feet deep that would put the bottom of the lake about 4600 feet above sea level.


Gotrox :

I
wonder about the Moho discontinuity—-an area below the surface that seems to deflect/bend seismic Waves in a way that geologists and seismologists haven’t really been able to explain. It is found throughout the vast majority of the planet. Though quite far down ( + – 70 kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some postulate water) and if some technology had been able to reach it, a way to traverse great distances by stealth would be feasible.

I would post links, but it is all over the place, and I find it much better to do your own searching and reach your own conclusions.

Just type “moho discontinuity” into any search engine.


As
far as the “tubes” go, John, I have no doubt they exist, courtesy of nuclear tunnel boring machines that leave glass walls in their wake. I didn’t know they were Navy, though now you mention it, it makes sense.

Very interesting John. Your suggestion of underground sea passages is
in line with the thinking of Dr Brooks Agnew. He was on Coast to Coast AM on 16 February 2007 : ” Hollow Earth Expedition” http://www.ourhollowearth.com/VoyagetoHollowEarth.htm


Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by “ZORGON”

Underground Oceans

Well you don’t believe John…
So

Would you believe Rand Corporation documents from 1972?

Would you believe Department of Defense documents that back up the Rand Corporation?

Would you believe Patents filed by Los Alamos National Laboratory and the Department of Energy for three Atomic TBM’s? In 1972?

Would you believe people are so blind that they still don’t get it even when its REPORTED in the LA Times in 1972?

Well if THAT isn’t enough documentation on just ONE of the things John says, then there is no help for you and please feel free to laugh it up

And don’t give me that nonsense about “Just because they issued a patent doesn’t mean…”

BS!!! Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los Alamos… just be prepared to answer WHY you want to know

The documents are all here… if your afraid the site will bite… too bad… its where I store all the data and can organize it at MY expense and not use other peoples band width

One of the points made particularly in THIS thread is about the underground TUBES The high speed transit tubes. Now I saw someone mention about the Nuclear powered TBM’s that melt rock…

Regards

Intriguing, you may be interested in what appears to be the more original
source wherein there are images that appear to be missing from the link you
shared:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Navy_Secrets.html

For one example, there is this image:

···

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:14 AM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:

Folks , this article is for those in our group who might still be
sceptical about the extensive cavern networks underneath California *(extending
undersea right upto the Pacific Ocean)*...Well , guess what - then how
can a submarine base exist in middle of the arid desert of Nevada ??? There
is no water in a desert , so how can there be a submarine base there ??

The answer to that is -
*if some undersea caverns extend deep inland , from beneath California ,
then it might be possible to have submarines operating under the Nevada
desert in those seawater filled caverns...*

But wait , it gets still more interesting -
*Death Valley , which is not far from this Submarine base of the Nevada
desert , itself sits on top of a gigantic cavern beneath , so much so ,
that it's believed a major earthquake could potentially collapse the floor
of Death Valley (or the top of that underground cavern , depending which
way you think about it) , revealing a canyon possibly as grand as the Grand
Canyon itself*...this got me thinking : what if the Grand Canyon itself
was formed after some prehistoric earthquake that collapsed the roof of the
cavern , hence opening up that underground Cavern into an Open canyon - the
Grand Canyon !

Then just when I thought , all this couldn't get any weirder , I read
somewhere that some native American tribes in California have reported
hearing the sound of sea waves inside some underground caverns and even
heard whales singing !
*The only way that could be true is if some undersea cavern network from
the Pacific coast of America , extends deep inland beneath California...*

http://www.subterraneanbases.com/navy-submarine-base-under-
the-nevada-desert/
Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?
What ever happened with Steve Fossett ?
John Lear says it might have to do with an Above Top Secret UNDERGROUND
Submarine Base.
   John revealed it’s location and he thinks the Base Commander was
pissed.
A short time later Steve Fossett turns up missing.
  The Navy Sub Base in Nevada might have thought
John Lear was in the plane (photographing the location).
The aircraft was ordered to be shot down.
   Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed aircraft.
That is why the Mega Search turned up NOTHING.

  So…We do NOT know how true the above is. But….

The City of Hawthorne continues to blossom to the south of Walker Lake
with restaurants and motels offering provisions, diversions and
accommodations for travelers.
It’s a five minute drive out of town to the north, but instead of
continuing to Walker Lake Hawthorne’s fourth and grandest wonder turn west
into “the Base.” This was once the headquarters for the US Navy Ammunition
Depot, and is now a minor paradise enjoyed by its residents and by visitors
alike. Take ten minute driving tour of this astonishing remnant from
another age. Just drive in; if there is a security guard on duty, just say
“Golf Course” and you’re in.
Your tour ends at the Walker Lake Country Club, where a beautiful 9-hole
golf course (open to the public) was the best-kept military secret in
America for 50 years. It was built by base employees, four holes at first,
and then two at a time until the ninth hole was completed 30 years ago.
  “Where is everybody?” we asked the manager.

“‘I don’t know,’ he said. “It’s always like this out here.’ I thought he
was going to add, ‘in heaven.'” The club house is a favorite meeting place
for local decision-makers.

*Hawthorne is on the main Las Vegas-Reno highway and serves as Nevada’s
gateway to Yosemite and the eastern Sierra via the Pole Line Road (Nevada
359) connecting with US 395 and the Tioga Pass. * Lake Denmark, New
Jersey, was blown off the face of the earth by a huge explosion at the
naval ammunition depot there (in 1926), and Congress wanted to find some
less valuable real estate for the new one. After a nationwide search,
Hawthorne was the choice, the Yucca Mountain of its time.
  In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of Officers to provide
oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. A court of inquiry
investigating the explosion recommended that a depot be established in a
remote area within 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of the west coast to serve the
Pacific area. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in July 1928, and NAD
received its first shipment of high explosives on October 19, 1930.
   Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided by the U.S. Marine
Corps. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War II, 600 Marines
were assigned to the facility. In 1977, that number had been reduced to 117;*
security is contracted to a private company.*
The following progression illustrates the result through World War II:

1930 pop.: 680

1940 pop.: 1,009

1944 pop.: 13,000

1950 pop.: 1,861

With more than 7,000 armed forces and civilian workers at the arsenal
during the war, Hawthorne was the busiest Nevada boomtown in a generation.
By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government housing at nearby
Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom was over. Growth
since has been slow, and today the ammunition depot plays a diminishing
role in Hawthorne’s economy, although its bunkers still pimple the desert
as they have for more than 75 years. The Gulf War brought more good times
to Hawthorne, and the base now under civilian management is bulging more
than ever with munitions.

In 1984, after nearly 50 years without a major mishap, one of the storage
bunkers exploded. The blast was contained as intended, blowing up instead
of out, and the deeply feared chain-reaction causing immense damage and
loss of life did not occur. In the early 1990s a bunker detonated for no
discernible cause, unless it was provoked by a lightning storm the previous
day.
***********************************
The depot began its existence as the Hawthorne Naval Ammunition Depot
(NAD).
The *Hawthorne Army Depot* is a huge ammunition storage site located near
the town of Hawthorne in western Nevada in the United States. It is
directly south of Walker Lake. The depot covers 147,000 acres (595 km), and
has 600,000 square feet (55,700 m) of floor space in 2,427 storage bunkers.
It is said to be the largest such facility in the world. * The depot is
run by an independent contractor under an agreement with the government.
Security is contracted to a private company.*
In May 2005, the facility was included on the 2005 Base Realignment and
Closure list, with closure being recommended. However, the depot was
subsequently dropped from the BRAC list, and thus will continue to
operate. In 1998-1999, the facility was used to destroy the U.S. stockpile
of M687 chemical artillery shells
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M687_chemical_artillery_shell> and separate
from them their 505 tons (458 metric tons) of binary precursor chemicals.
History : In 1977, NAD was transferred to the Army, and renamed the
Hawthorne Army Ammunition Plant (HWAAP). In 1980, HWAAP was redesignated as
a government-owned contractor-operated facility. Day & Zimmermann Hawthorne
Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor. In 1994, the
facility received its current name of the Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD).
********************* http://www.globalsecurity.org/
military/facility/hawthorne.htm
HWAD claims to be the “Worlds Largest Depot” and is the largest industrial
activity in the state of Nevada.
Hawthorne Army Depot is located in the west central part of Nevada close
to the California state line. It is approximately two hours southeast of
Reno on US Highway 95. The facility’s area 147,000 Acres (Leased/Owned) and
..6M Sq. Ft. Floor Space. Facilities include 178 Buildings and 2,427
Igloos.
In 1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor, Pennsylvania, was
awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award fee contract for the
operation and maintenance of a government owned/contractor operated
facility.
*************** Why would we want a submarine base in Nevada ?
This map might help: http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1479/
flyingmranchatsauy1.png

A big enough lake and possible under water entrance into a lab area. NUWC
stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map.
****************** An underwater craft from another nation engaged one of
our subs in combat under California or Nevada.
*Babbitt* was a government housing facility in Mineral County, Nevada,
United States. It was established in 1941.
Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD Hawthorne, H.S. Babbitt.
During its existence, Babbitt was assigned the ZIP code of 89416.
**********************
Per John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne Nevada
access the West Coast using underground elevators and train.
John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel system used by the
Military.
Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta Basin in NE Utah
and to Dulce New Mexico?
*The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct line heading NNE
from Hawthorne to the Ranch.*
  Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from Uinta Basin and SE from
Hawthorne.
(Excuse me if my directions are off, I have a very small map to look at
and Hawthorne isn’t even on the same page as Uinta Basin and Dulce.
Is it possible that these three areas are part of the underground
tunnel/train/waterway Network ?
I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was mentioned in info about
the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch. Certainly similar unexplained
activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta Basin. (Also prob in the
whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena occurred near
Hawthorne?
**************************
*Navy* *Submarine* Base Under the *Nevada* Desert ?
Topic started on *1-9-2007* @ 01:29 AM by JOHN LEAR :
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1

Over the past 20 years I have heard stories of a huge U.S. Navy submarine
base under the desert in Hawthorne Nevada.

During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno many times and was
always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before entering the town
of Hawthorne. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from Las Vegas and about
two and a half hours drive from Reno.)

It used to read “Naval Undersea Warfare Training Center”.. Today it reads
“Naval Undersea Warfare Center”. They must have made the change in the past
year or so. Maybe longer.

Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition is made, tested and
stored. Endless rows of ammunition bunkers dot both sides of the road.

Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The East Walker river
drains into it and over the past 20 years has become shallower and
shallower. The lake is about 18 miles long and about 8 miles wide the
longer axis running north and south.

It can’t be very deep. I am not good at judging lake depths, maybe 100
feet? 150 feet? Certainly wouldn’t seem deep enough for a Ohio, Virginia,
Seawolf,Los Angeles. Maybe that little nuclear powered Fast Attack Sub. But
I know nothing about submarines.

And the lake itself certainly wouldn’t be big enough or deep enough to
train for Undersea Warfare. Or so it would seem.

There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a shelf underneath
which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean. Maybe the Pacific
Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne Nevada (and even further?).

Maybe there is some kind of access from the surface of the desert within
the area occupied by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center. And maybe if you go
deep enough there is a huge part of the Pacific Ocean in which the Navy
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> conducts Undersea
Warfare training.

Impossible? Improbable? So it would seem.

But let’s assume that it might be true. There would have to be a route
from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. If we take a set of dividers and place
one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at the closest portion
of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in Monterey Bay, just south
of San Francisco. Just north of Fort Ord.

The distance is roughly about 212 statute miles.

Now let’s also assume that there is traffic both to and from Monterey Bay
and Hawthorne Nevada. We would probably have to have to separate channels,
one for each direction of travel. If it’s a sea how can we separate these
channels? I don’t know.

Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines representing these
channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. If a submarine where to make
33 knots the trip would take about five and a half hours.
************************************
The Underground Empire
( Branton — File No. 008 )

In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> “Patriot” who
published the anti-Communist oriented “REBEL MAGAZINE” (at the time
available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J. Williams. Pres., 2011
Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310) revealed some
incredible details on an alleged subterranean system which the Navy had
been exploring below the western United States. The report appeared in
issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced in the Fall, 1985
(#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by Marjorie Palmer,
widow of the late Ray Palmer.

The article, titled ‘CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?’, revealed the following:

“Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> interview-show
briefly mention that parts of California and neighboring states are
floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking Naval officer on a
top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is) exploring and mapping
these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the West for over 10
years now.

“A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. He is now living quietly
in retirement <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and
asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he does not want
publicity and government attention. After writing this article, I destroyed
my files on him. This is his story…”

Williams explains that not “all” of the areas in question are actually
“resting” or “floating” on the ocean, however there are allegedly many
subterranean cavities
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> below the western
U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many of them consist of
very large water-filled aqua-systems. These have been explored via nuclear
submarines to several hundred miles inland, particularly in the region of
southern California and the southern Oregon – northern California
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> area. Williams
continues:

“…When he retired several years ago, in spite of about 10 years of
intensive Naval study, the Navy had not gotten even a handle on their
exacts and dimensions. Today, the story may be different.

“He makes the following statements from his observations:

“1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from a few to thousands
of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100 feet.

“2. Much like dry caverns do, heights
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and depths vary a
great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or passageways pass over
or under each other at different depths.

“3. Most of the entrances lie just off the Continental Shelf (ie.. or
rather, WITHIN the lower slopes/cliffs of the Continental Shelf – Branton).

“4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine investigation; and
many that are large enough lie in waters that are too deep.

“5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped with oil while some
others are filled with gases believed to approximate our atmosphere (in
very ancient times).

“6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion of the original
cavernous area that collapsed eons
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> ago due to it’s
sheer weight.

“7. What is being passed off as the ‘San Andreas Fault’ are large,
unsupported chambers that are in the process of collapsing. When the BIG
ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe that most of
California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and slide into the ocean!
(it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass which some believe may
have been connected to what is now California, broke off and sunk into the
ocean during an ancient cataclysm – Branton)

“8. (We are deleting this section due to the possibility of undue stress
and fear which may result from it’s disclosure. Also, because of recent
international events which may have resulted in a solution to this problem.
We will merely state that it involves a scenario similar to that which was
portrayed in a James Bond
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> movie, and which
concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear weapons, and the San
Andreas fault – Branton).

“9. A WELL-KNOWN U.S. nuclear submarine lost its way in these passages and
disappeared forever. It was reported to have been lost IN OPEN SEA
ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total ignorance and to justify an
enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who died in recent
years) for providing the fictitious “recovery” effort. “I have no reason to
doubt the man. I can’t tell for sure whether or not these caverns and
passageways exist or to their extents. The story does sound a bit fantastic
but I have no reason to doubt the man. I have seen copies of documentation
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> that at least
prove that he was a high ranking Naval officer (nuclear submarine duty) and
a distinguished scientist. In fact, his scientific background and
reputation are impeccable. He definitely cannot be labeled as a crackpot,
lunatic or publicity-seeker. I would very much like more information on
this topic…”

After further inquiries to Mr. Williams on the part of ‘inner earth’
researchers, Williams responded with the following when asked whether or
not he had received any replies to his request for more information about
the alleged passageways below California:“Since publishing our article on
the vast cavern network
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> under much of
California, we have received many responses and inquiries. Some of these
responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. Note that the material sent
to us for this article was written by someone of very high repute whose
credentials I personally checked out.

“Due to an agreement with him, I cannot reveal his identity. One response
was from a retired (conventional submarine duty? – Branton) submarine
commander, who according to him, spent many years in the waters off
California. He stated that the caverns do NOT exist.

“Another response was from an anonymous person who cited unpublished oil
company seismographical data
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and stated,
‘Although most of the caverns you depict in your drawing are smaller,
larger or located somewhat differently than the actual caverns, you are
essentially correct… My information is more up-to-date than what you
apparently relied upon.’ He (or she) did not supply any maps to pin down
our differences, just some written descriptions. However, some
knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her) overall ‘map’ from
the voluminous seismographical data sent.. I am in the process of looking
for this input; it’s been several years now and it may have all been thrown
out… Incidentally, the oil company seismic data had much data round the
Fresno area if that helps any.

“One incident which tends to confirm the fact that California is in fact
floating on the ocean was a story which made the headlines in recent years.

“This incident involved an oil discovery beneath Long Beach, California.
When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground beneath Long Beach
it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING INTO THE OCEAN!

“It sank up to 26 feet and dikes had to be built to keep out the water.
The problem is (temporarily) being rectified by ‘water injection’–i.e.
pumping an equivalent amount of WATER into the ground to the amount of oil
and water taken out, in order to keep the city AFLOAT!”

One thing which may be of interest in connection with Mr. Williams’
account was a statement which was made by a prominent California Bigfoot
investigator by the name of Virginia Louise Swanson, who has done a good
deal <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of study on
caves and their connections to the Bigfoot phenomena. She refers to these
caverns in the following words:

“…Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of Death Valley is located
on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. A certain type of earthquake would collapse
all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that would open up into
another Grand Canyon
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>.”

According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines ever to disappear
under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER and the U.S.S.
SCORPION. It is uncertain whether the retired Navy Officer who John J.
Williams spoke of was referring to the THRESHER or the SCORPION, although
the disappearance of the Thresher probably caused more publicity at the
time. The Thresher was the LEAD SHIP or ‘Flag’ ship in the world’s most
advanced class of nuclear attack submarines. She was designed to operate
deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors and was also endowed
with significant advances in sonar equipment, in noise reduction
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and in
fire-control. All in all, she was the most advanced international submarine
in the world at the time of her disappearance and would have been an ideal
choice for a top-secret mission such as the exploration of the caverns
mentioned by John Williams’ source.

On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the Thresher, under the
command of Lt. Commander John W. Harvey
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, USN, with a
total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian technicians, and
observers) disappeared without explanation. NOT A SINGLE TRACE or clue as
to the fate of the craft, or it’s occupants, were ever recovered: no oil
slicks, radiation, floating debris, or similar signs of wreckage were ever
seen. It is interesting to note that almost all of the reports at the time
stated the ship had “disappeared,” or was “lost,” not “sunk!” One woman
whose husband was on the ill-fated ship reported her belief that her
husband was still ALIVE! Theologically speaking, the possibility of a
long-distance <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>
connection or “communion” on a deep, emotional level between a husband and
a wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm of the occult or
“psychic” phenomena. Many religions believe that the very spiritual natures
of a husband and a wife are united upon the consummation of a marriage, and
thus they become, as Christian teachings say, “one flesh”.

The actual words of this woman, who was interviewed by Will Carson and
Jeannie Joy — two writers
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> devoted to
pursuing strange events — shortly after the Thresher incident, were as
follows:

“My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it disappeared. I don’t
consider myself a widow. I don’t believe my husband is dead. No, it’s not a
matter of just not being able to believe it, to accept reality; I just
can’t get over the conviction that he’s still alive somewhere. I love my
husband very much. I know he loved–loves me. We were very close. We could
always tell when something was wrong with each other. Intuition, I guess. I
should have felt something the instant there was trouble, if he was really
in serious trouble and knew it–a matter of life and death–but I didn’t.”

“What do you believe really happened?” Carson and Joy asked the attractive
young woman.

“Most people think I’m crazy when I say this, but I believe the Thresher
was captured.”

“By whom?”

“I can’t say for sure, but there WAS a Russian submarine spotted near
there that day (…that is, near where it REPORTEDLY vanished 220 miles off
Boston <http://www.csp.navy.mil/othboats/593.htm> harbor — so either the
Thresher DID sink there, off Boston harbor… OR the government created an
elaborate ‘cover story’ of it sinking off the east coast when in fact it
went through the Panama
<http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/search/web/%2522After%2Bemerging%2Bon%2Bthe%2BPacific%2Bside%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPanama%2BCanal%2Bon%2B9%2BMay%2522%2BThresher/1/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1>
canal and disappeared near the west coast, or BENEATH the west coast… or,
IF the Thresher did disappear off of Boston harbor, then the nuclear sub
that disappered in the aqua-caves of California may have been yet another –
possibly top secret – submarine. Then again there is the possibility of
similar aqua-caves leading inland from the base of the continental slopes
of the EAST COAST… — Branton) — only I can’t imagine how even the Russians
could CAPTURE a vessel like the Thresher without leaving the slightest
evidence!”

The following account, concerning an area just east of BISHOP (OWENS
VALLEY), CALIFORNIA, was related by Val Valerian in his ‘LEADING EDGE’
Newsletter <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, Dec.
1989 – Jan. 1990 issue. The article, titled: ‘DEEP SPRING’S, CALIFORNIA’,
stated: “Deep Springs, California is an area that is becoming known as the
site for very strange events. According to the information released both on
the air on KVEG-AM and from other sources, the area is full of strange
people wandering around in black suits. There have also been rumors that
there is an underground facility in the area. Checking with gravity anomaly
maps proved that there are large cavities under the ground in that area.
The wildest claims relative to the area have stated that alien lifeforms
are being released there… Deep Springs Lake has been probed and it appears
bottomless. Divers have traveled along an underground river 27 miles toward
the Las Vegas area before having to turn around.” (This ‘river’ would
probably have been a ‘partially’ water-filled cave with a large stream or
river flowing through it, rather than an entirely underwater passage, since
27 miles would undoubtedly be entirely out of the question if it were all
underwater travel, with present diving technology – Branton).
********************************
  Back to John Lear :
Last Tuesday I drove from Reno to Las Vegas after attending the Bay Area
UFO Expo. As I drove through Hawthorne I came upon the entrance to the
Naval Undersea Warfare Center which is on the north side of the road I
pulled over to the right and took out my camera
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> to get a picture
of the sign. As I rolled down the window and lifted my camera I heard a
bunch of shouting and guards waving their arms from the guard shack.

I pulled across the road to the entrance just short of the shack a lady in
Army uniform came over and told me I couldn’t take pictures.. I mentioned
to her that I was just going to take a picture of the sign which was less
than ten feet from the highway. She told me I couldn’t take pictures
anywhere around there.

I asked her if I could sign up for a tour. She responded vehemently in the
negative. She then advised me that she should call the Military
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> Police to
confiscate my camera. I told her that I hadn’t had time to take a picture
and that I was just happened to be leaving at that moment. She waved me to
turn around and jotted down my car license number. I was going to ask her
if there were any submarines parked underground but she was Army and I
figured she probably wouldn’t have known.

So. What do you think? Is there a vast underground sea under California
and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various directions? Maybe one
that goes to Las Vegas?

Is there a possibility that the Navy does operate submarines from Monterey
Bay via an underground sea which extends underneath the San Joaquin Valley,
then under the Sierra Nevada mountain range to a Naval Undersea Warfare
Center deep below the Nevada desert in Hawthorne Nevada?

Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear reactor at Aristarchus
on the moon I’ll believe anything.
**********************************
AREA #51 connected to Hawthorne ?
   It was the recollection of a former worker at the NTS that “an awful
lot of drilling” was done in Area 19, but relatively few Nuclear blasts. He
says there was a story released that the drillers hit an underground lake
as a result the NTS was not able to fully utilize the area.
******************************************
Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg10#>

Ubehebe Crater system contains several volcanic craters, cinder cones and
ash hills, all relics from an explosive steam eruption about 2,000 years
ago, when rising magma met an underground lake.
http://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/
ubehebe_crater.html
**********************************
So are any of you going to try and explain the fact that the area is
approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains its water level?
John Lear responds : “I would speculate that there are elevators that go
down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that go far deeper have
been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area, the Nevada Test Site
and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue. Thanks for the post.”
************************************Another Post from John Lear :
WOW! Antar you just blew my mind! Yes. Many years ago a Navy friend of
mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE… I had completely
forgotten about that. He also told me about the “TUBES”, the Navy
underground transportation system. He told me that the techs that worked in
the tubes were called “tubemoles”. Thanks for the memory jog!
************************
Post by PWEAGLE :
  I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last year and they said it
ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. I sure there are many
cavities dotting the desert floor, possibly leading to one another in a
vast wedding <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of
underground channels.
I just can’t help to think that there all connected.

I’m here in Laughlin area and frequently drive back home to the high
desert from the high desert, lol. Driving on interstate 40 I can’t help but
wonder how many undiscovered holes there are in the desert. There
Mitchell’s caverns but those are small but whose to say that a little bit
of dynamite couldn’t open it up to something even bigger. Its a big desert
with many possibilities.

I wouldn’t dough the possibility of 200 mile+ underground river and
channels.
Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth and decided to stay
there rather then come back or maybe they where captured who knows but its
fun to think about it.

Time to Google map some of these places and see if there’s any strange
things going on. Thanks john
********************************
I’ve heard of saline lakes in California, Mono lake comes to mind :
http://www.monolake.org/
*********************************
Topic started on *17-3-2007* @ 11:23 AM by allMIGHTY
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1
  I’m proud to show you a very cool sign of one of the biggest underground
bases that you ever seen before.

I searched the forum before and there was no match for it. If so, then sry
for posting.

I found a sign with Google Earth
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> for a very huge
underground base that could have the size of about 12 x 6 kilometers in the
north of the
China Lake Naval Weapons base.

There is a earthquake
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#>-pattern of which
the most occured in the year
1982/83. I really think they where underground detonations for
creating a huge underground installation.
GO TO : http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4096/base02oo2.th.jpg
the coordinates are 35-41’6.16″N – 117-41’35.12″W
at the China <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> Lake
Naval Base. The earthquake pattern is directly in the
upper left beneath the base.
***************************************
Well, it looks like there may be something to it after all.

*Navy Sets Up New Facility For Tunnel-Warfare Training* : http://www.
nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2002/Nov/Navy_Sets_Up.htm

Using the abandoned mines at China Lake, U.S. units can learn how to
operate in such environments, Manofsky said.
“Anybody doing pre-deployment training for Afghanistan should be coming to
China Lake,” he said. “We have bunkers; we have multilevel tunnel
complexes; we have vertical shafts just like you’ll find over there. Some
of them look exactly like Afghan aqueducts.”
Three of the tunnel locations are fully instrumented with weather stations
and environmental sensing equipment inside and outside. “Once a month,
our reservists go out and do a data sweep,” Manofsky said. The tunnels are
so spread out that the job takes a full day. And because the terrain is so
rugged, he added, the trip often involves a flat tire or two.
***********************
reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar
Mr. Lear
Don’t know if this is relevant or not…..” The Devils Hole water level
reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a connection with a
massive underground sea below.” I know people have disappeared while
exploring Devil’s Hole. Never to be found. Reports are: there’s a large
subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss. Wonder’s how many
disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going to Devils Hole when
the weather gets a little cooler. I’ll try and get some good photo’s. If we
run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few questions or Not
**********************************************
John Lear : I know that there was a secret NAVY base at Lake Tahoe, at
least there was in 1983. Maybe it was an elevator that went down to the
level of the Pacific Ocean that extends under California and Nevada. Maybe
there is a similar facility at Pyramid Lake. There is definately one at
Walker Lake. Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that underground ocean
(actually its not an ‘underground ocean’ its the same level as the rest of
the Pacific, it is the land that is ‘above water’ so to speak) to travel
around.

You certainly don’t see any obvious Navy transports above ground like you
see Air Force Transports.
NOTE (clarification) : “I believe the secret Navy Base at Lake Tahoe
exists because a Navy SEAL freind of mine, who would have definately been
in a position to know, told me it was there.
*******************
There are 2 routes from Monterey Bay south of San Francisco
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg8#> to the submarine
base under Hawthorne. I believe one is used for each direction, one going
in and one coming out. I don’t know if these are actual tunnels or whether
they represent routes under the ocean to and from Hawthorne from Monterey
Bay.
*****************************
Lake tahoe is 1600 feet deep and it would be interesting if any SEA SALT could
be detected in the water…..
NOTE : Unlikely. Lake Tahoe is 6200 ft. above mean sea level. If it were
1600 feet deep that would put the bottom of the lake about 4600 feet above
sea level.
************************************
Gotrox :
I wonder about the Moho discontinuity—-an area below the surface that
seems to deflect/bend seismic Waves in a way that geologists and
seismologists haven’t really been able to explain. It is found throughout
the vast majority of the planet. Though quite far down ( + – 70
kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some postulate water) and if
some technology had been able to reach it, a way to traverse great
distances by stealth would be feasible.
I would post links, but it is all over the place, and I find it much
better to do your own searching and reach your own conclusions.
Just type “moho discontinuity” into any search engine.
*****************************
As far as the “tubes” go, John, I have no doubt they exist, courtesy of
nuclear tunnel boring machines that leave glass walls in their wake. I
didn’t know they were Navy, though now you mention it, it makes sense.
Underground Oceans

Very interesting John. Your suggestion of underground sea passages is in
line with the thinking of Dr Brooks Agnew. He was on Coast to Coast AM on
16 February 2007 : ” Hollow Earth Expedition”
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/VoyagetoHollowEarth.htm

**************************************
Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by “ZORGON”

One of the points made particularly in THIS thread is about the
underground TUBES The high speed transit tubes. Now I saw someone mention
about the Nuclear powered TBM’s that melt rock…

Well you don’t believe John…
So

Would you believe Rand Corporation documents from 1972?

Would you believe Department of Defense documents that back up
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> the Rand
Corporation?

Would you believe Patents filed by Los Alamos National Laboratory and the
Department of Energy for three Atomic TBM’s? In 1972?

Would you believe people are so blind that they still don’t get it even
when its REPORTED in the LA Times in 1972?

Well if THAT isn’t enough documentation on just ONE of the things John
says, then there is no help for you and please feel free to laugh it up

And don’t give me that nonsense about “Just because they issued a patent
doesn’t mean…”

BS!!! Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los Alamos… just be
prepared to answer WHY you want to know

The documents are all here… if your afraid the site will bite… too bad…
its where I store all the data
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> and can organize
it at MY expense and not use other peoples band width

Regards

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah Soretna...this probably also explains those highly paranoid conspiracy theories of how some parts of coastal California may be at risk (God forbid) of sliding into the Pacific Ocean , in case of a large earthquake...on a different note , I wonder - could the sudden submergence of Atlantis have happened because of caverns beneath Atlantis having abruptly caved in ?

Regards

Intriguing, you may be interested in what appears to be the more original
source wherein there are images that appear to be missing from the link you
shared:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Navy_Secrets.html

For one example, there is this image:

···

On Friday, July 6, 2018, 2:44:17 PM GMT, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:14 AM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

Folks , this article is for those in our group who might still be
sceptical about the extensive cavern networks underneath California (extending
undersea right upto the Pacific Ocean)
...Well , guess what - then how
can a submarine base exist in middle of the arid desert of Nevada ??? There
is no water in a desert , so how can there be a submarine base there ??

The answer to that is -
if some undersea caverns extend deep inland , from beneath California ,
then it might be possible to have submarines operating under the Nevada
desert in those seawater filled caverns...

But wait , it gets still more interesting -
Death Valley , which is not far from this Submarine base of the Nevada
desert , itself sits on top of a gigantic cavern beneath , so much so ,
that it's believed a major earthquake could potentially collapse the floor
of Death Valley (or the top of that underground cavern , depending which
way you think about it) , revealing a canyon possibly as grand as the Grand
Canyon itself
...this got me thinking : what if the Grand Canyon itself
was formed after some prehistoric earthquake that collapsed the roof of the
cavern , hence opening up that underground Cavern into an Open canyon - the
Grand Canyon !

Then just when I thought , all this couldn't get any weirder , I read
somewhere that some native American tribes in California have reported
hearing the sound of sea waves inside some underground caverns and even
heard whales singing !
The only way that could be true is if some undersea cavern network from
the Pacific coast of America , extends deep inland beneath California....

http://www.subterraneanbases.com/navy-submarine-base-under-
the-nevada-desert/
Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?
What ever happened with Steve Fossett ?
John Lear says it might have to do with an Above Top Secret UNDERGROUND
Submarine Base.
John revealed it’s location and he thinks the Base Commander was
pissed.
A short time later Steve Fossett turns up missing.
The Navy Sub Base in Nevada might have thought
John Lear was in the plane (photographing the location).
The aircraft was ordered to be shot down.
Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed aircraft.
That is why the Mega Search turned up NOTHING.

So…We do NOT know how true the above is. But….

The City of Hawthorne continues to blossom to the south of Walker Lake
with restaurants and motels offering provisions, diversions and
accommodations for travelers.
It’s a five minute drive out of town to the north, but instead of
continuing to Walker Lake Hawthorne’s fourth and grandest wonder turn west
into “the Base.” This was once the headquarters for the US Navy Ammunition
Depot, and is now a minor paradise enjoyed by its residents and by visitors
alike. Take ten minute driving tour of this astonishing remnant from
another age. Just drive in; if there is a security guard on duty, just say
“Golf Course” and you’re in.
Your tour ends at the Walker Lake Country Club, where a beautiful 9-hole
golf course (open to the public) was the best-kept military secret in
America for 50 years. It was built by base employees, four holes at first,
and then two at a time until the ninth hole was completed 30 years ago..
“Where is everybody?” we asked the manager.

“‘I don’t know,’ he said. “It’s always like this out here.’ I thought he
was going to add, ‘in heaven.'” The club house is a favorite meeting place
for local decision-makers.

Hawthorne is on the main Las Vegas-Reno highway and serves as Nevada’s
gateway to Yosemite and the eastern Sierra via the Pole Line Road (Nevada
359) connecting with US 395 and the Tioga Pass. * Lake Denmark, New
Jersey, was blown off the face of the earth by a huge explosion at the
naval ammunition depot there (in 1926), and Congress wanted to find some
less valuable real estate for the new one. After a nationwide search,
Hawthorne was the choice, the Yucca Mountain of its time.
In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of Officers to provide
oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. A court of inquiry
investigating the explosion recommended that a depot be established in a
remote area within 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of the west coast to serve the
Pacific area. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in July 1928, and NAD
received its first shipment of high explosives on October 19, 1930.
Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided by the U.S. Marine
Corps. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War II, 600 Marines
were assigned to the facility. In 1977, that number had been reduced to 117;

security is contracted to a private company.*
The following progression illustrates the result through World War II:

1930 pop.: 680

1940 pop.: 1,009

1944 pop.: 13,000

1950 pop.: 1,861

With more than 7,000 armed forces and civilian workers at the arsenal
during the war, Hawthorne was the busiest Nevada boomtown in a generation.
By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government housing at nearby
Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom was over. Growth
since has been slow, and today the ammunition depot plays a diminishing
role in Hawthorne’s economy, although its bunkers still pimple the desert
as they have for more than 75 years. The Gulf War brought more good times
to Hawthorne, and the base now under civilian management is bulging more
than ever with munitions.

In 1984, after nearly 50 years without a major mishap, one of the storage
bunkers exploded. The blast was contained as intended, blowing up instead
of out, and the deeply feared chain-reaction causing immense damage and
loss of life did not occur. In the early 1990s a bunker detonated for no
discernible cause, unless it was provoked by a lightning storm the previous
day.


The depot began its existence as the Hawthorne Naval Ammunition Depot
(NAD).
The Hawthorne Army Depot is a huge ammunition storage site located near
the town of Hawthorne in western Nevada in the United States. It is
directly south of Walker Lake. The depot covers 147,000 acres (595 km), and
has 600,000 square feet (55,700 m) of floor space in 2,427 storage bunkers.
It is said to be the largest such facility in the world. * The depot is
run by an independent contractor under an agreement with the government.
Security is contracted to a private company.*
In May 2005, the facility was included on the 2005 Base Realignment and
Closure list, with closure being recommended. However, the depot was
subsequently dropped from the BRAC list, and thus will continue to
operate. In 1998-1999, the facility was used to destroy the U.S. stockpile
of M687 chemical artillery shells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M687_chemical_artillery_shell and separate
from them their 505 tons (458 metric tons) of binary precursor chemicals.
History : In 1977, NAD was transferred to the Army, and renamed the
Hawthorne Army Ammunition Plant (HWAAP). In 1980, HWAAP was redesignated as
a government-owned contractor-operated facility. Day & Zimmermann Hawthorne
Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor. In 1994, the
facility received its current name of the Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD).
********************* http://www.globalsecurity.org/
military/facility/hawthorne.htm
HWAD claims to be the “Worlds Largest Depot” and is the largest industrial
activity in the state of Nevada.
Hawthorne Army Depot is located in the west central part of Nevada close
to the California state line. It is approximately two hours southeast of
Reno on US Highway 95. The facility’s area 147,000 Acres (Leased/Owned) and
..6M Sq. Ft. Floor Space. Facilities include 178 Buildings and 2,427
Igloos.
In 1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor, Pennsylvania, was
awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award fee contract for the
operation and maintenance of a government owned/contractor operated
facility.
*************** Why would we want a submarine base in Nevada ?
This map might help: http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1479/
flyingmranchatsauy1.png

A big enough lake and possible under water entrance into a lab area. NUWC
stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map.
****************** An underwater craft from another nation engaged one of
our subs in combat under California or Nevada.
Babbitt was a government housing facility in Mineral County, Nevada,
United States. It was established in 1941.
Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD Hawthorne, H.S. Babbitt..
During its existence, Babbitt was assigned the ZIP code of 89416.


Per John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne Nevada
access the West Coast using underground elevators and train.
John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel system used by the
Military.
Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta Basin in NE Utah
and to Dulce New Mexico?
The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct line heading NNE
from Hawthorne to the Ranch.

Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from Uinta Basin and SE from
Hawthorne.
(Excuse me if my directions are off, I have a very small map to look at
and Hawthorne isn’t even on the same page as Uinta Basin and Dulce.
Is it possible that these three areas are part of the underground
tunnel/train/waterway Network ?
I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was mentioned in info about
the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch. Certainly similar unexplained
activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta Basin. (Also prob in the
whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena occurred near
Hawthorne?


Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?
Topic started on 1-9-2007 @ 01:29 AM by JOHN LEAR :
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1

Over the past 20 years I have heard stories of a huge U.S. Navy submarine
base under the desert in Hawthorne Nevada.

During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno many times and was
always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before entering the town
of Hawthorne. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from Las Vegas and about
two and a half hours drive from Reno.)

It used to read “Naval Undersea Warfare Training Center”.. Today it reads
“Naval Undersea Warfare Center”. They must have made the change in the past
year or so. Maybe longer.

Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition is made, tested and
stored. Endless rows of ammunition bunkers dot both sides of the road.

Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The East Walker river
drains into it and over the past 20 years has become shallower and
shallower. The lake is about 18 miles long and about 8 miles wide the
longer axis running north and south.

It can’t be very deep. I am not good at judging lake depths, maybe 100
feet? 150 feet? Certainly wouldn’t seem deep enough for a Ohio, Virginia,
Seawolf,Los Angeles. Maybe that little nuclear powered Fast Attack Sub.. But
I know nothing about submarines.

And the lake itself certainly wouldn’t be big enough or deep enough to
train for Undersea Warfare. Or so it would seem.

There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a shelf underneath
which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean. Maybe the Pacific
Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne Nevada (and even further?)..

Maybe there is some kind of access from the surface of the desert within
the area occupied by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center. And maybe if you go
deep enough there is a huge part of the Pacific Ocean in which the Navy
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# conducts Undersea
Warfare training.

Impossible? Improbable? So it would seem.

But let’s assume that it might be true. There would have to be a route
from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. If we take a set of dividers and place
one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at the closest portion
of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in Monterey Bay, just south
of San Francisco. Just north of Fort Ord.

The distance is roughly about 212 statute miles.

Now let’s also assume that there is traffic both to and from Monterey Bay
and Hawthorne Nevada. We would probably have to have to separate channels,
one for each direction of travel. If it’s a sea how can we separate these
channels? I don’t know.

Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines representing these
channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. If a submarine where to make
33 knots the trip would take about five and a half hours.


The Underground Empire
( Branton — File No. 008 )

In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# “Patriot” who
published the anti-Communist oriented “REBEL MAGAZINE” (at the time
available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J. Williams. Pres., 2011
Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310) revealed some
incredible details on an alleged subterranean system which the Navy had
been exploring below the western United States. The report appeared in
issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced in the Fall, 1985
(#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by Marjorie Palmer,
widow of the late Ray Palmer.

The article, titled ‘CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?’, revealed the following:

“Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# interview-show
briefly mention that parts of California and neighboring states are
floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking Naval officer on a
top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is) exploring and mapping
these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the West for over 10
years now.

“A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. He is now living quietly
in retirement http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# and
asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he does not want
publicity and government attention. After writing this article, I destroyed
my files on him. This is his story…”

Williams explains that not “all” of the areas in question are actually
“resting” or “floating” on the ocean, however there are allegedly many
subterranean cavities
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# below the western
U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many of them consist of
very large water-filled aqua-systems. These have been explored via nuclear
submarines to several hundred miles inland, particularly in the region of
southern California and the southern Oregon – northern California
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# area. Williams
continues:

“…When he retired several years ago, in spite of about 10 years of
intensive Naval study, the Navy had not gotten even a handle on their
exacts and dimensions. Today, the story may be different.

“He makes the following statements from his observations:

“1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from a few to thousands
of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100 feet.

“2. Much like dry caverns do, heights
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# and depths vary a
great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or passageways pass over
or under each other at different depths.

“3. Most of the entrances lie just off the Continental Shelf (ie.. or
rather, WITHIN the lower slopes/cliffs of the Continental Shelf – Branton).

“4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine investigation; and
many that are large enough lie in waters that are too deep.

“5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped with oil while some
others are filled with gases believed to approximate our atmosphere (in
very ancient times).

“6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion of the original
cavernous area that collapsed eons
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# ago due to it’s
sheer weight.

“7. What is being passed off as the ‘San Andreas Fault’ are large,
unsupported chambers that are in the process of collapsing. When the BIG
ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe that most of
California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and slide into the ocean!
(it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass which some believe may
have been connected to what is now California, broke off and sunk into the
ocean during an ancient cataclysm – Branton)

“8. (We are deleting this section due to the possibility of undue stress
and fear which may result from it’s disclosure. Also, because of recent
international events which may have resulted in a solution to this problem.
We will merely state that it involves a scenario similar to that which was
portrayed in a James Bond
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# movie, and which
concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear weapons, and the San
Andreas fault – Branton).

“9. A WELL-KNOWN U.S. nuclear submarine lost its way in these passages and
disappeared forever. It was reported to have been lost IN OPEN SEA
ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total ignorance and to justify an
enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who died in recent
years) for providing the fictitious “recovery” effort. “I have no reason to
doubt the man. I can’t tell for sure whether or not these caverns and
passageways exist or to their extents. The story does sound a bit fantastic
but I have no reason to doubt the man. I have seen copies of documentation
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# that at least
prove that he was a high ranking Naval officer (nuclear submarine duty) and
a distinguished scientist. In fact, his scientific background and
reputation are impeccable. He definitely cannot be labeled as a crackpot,
lunatic or publicity-seeker. I would very much like more information on
this topic…”

After further inquiries to Mr. Williams on the part of ‘inner earth’
researchers, Williams responded with the following when asked whether or
not he had received any replies to his request for more information about
the alleged passageways below California:“Since publishing our article on
the vast cavern network
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# under much of
California, we have received many responses and inquiries. Some of these
responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. Note that the material sent
to us for this article was written by someone of very high repute whose
credentials I personally checked out.

“Due to an agreement with him, I cannot reveal his identity. One response
was from a retired (conventional submarine duty? – Branton) submarine
commander, who according to him, spent many years in the waters off
California. He stated that the caverns do NOT exist.

“Another response was from an anonymous person who cited unpublished oil
company seismographical data
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#, and stated,
‘Although most of the caverns you depict in your drawing are smaller,
larger or located somewhat differently than the actual caverns, you are
essentially correct… My information is more up-to-date than what you
apparently relied upon.’ He (or she) did not supply any maps to pin down
our differences, just some written descriptions. However, some
knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her) overall ‘map’ from
the voluminous seismographical data sent.. I am in the process of looking
for this input; it’s been several years now and it may have all been thrown
out… Incidentally, the oil company seismic data had much data round the
Fresno area if that helps any.

“One incident which tends to confirm the fact that California is in fact
floating on the ocean was a story which made the headlines in recent years.

“This incident involved an oil discovery beneath Long Beach, California.
When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground beneath Long Beach
it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING INTO THE OCEAN!

“It sank up to 26 feet and dikes had to be built to keep out the water.
The problem is (temporarily) being rectified by ‘water injection’–i.e.
pumping an equivalent amount of WATER into the ground to the amount of oil
and water taken out, in order to keep the city AFLOAT!”

One thing which may be of interest in connection with Mr. Williams’
account was a statement which was made by a prominent California Bigfoot
investigator by the name of Virginia Louise Swanson, who has done a good
deal http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# of study on
caves and their connections to the Bigfoot phenomena. She refers to these
caverns in the following words:

“…Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of Death Valley is located
on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. A certain type of earthquake would collapse
all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that would open up into
another Grand Canyon
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#.”

According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines ever to disappear
under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER and the U.S.S.
SCORPION. It is uncertain whether the retired Navy Officer who John J.
Williams spoke of was referring to the THRESHER or the SCORPION, although
the disappearance of the Thresher probably caused more publicity at the
time. The Thresher was the LEAD SHIP or ‘Flag’ ship in the world’s most
advanced class of nuclear attack submarines. She was designed to operate
deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors and was also endowed
with significant advances in sonar equipment, in noise reduction
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#, and in
fire-control. All in all, she was the most advanced international submarine
in the world at the time of her disappearance and would have been an ideal
choice for a top-secret mission such as the exploration of the caverns
mentioned by John Williams’ source.

On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the Thresher, under the
command of Lt. Commander John W. Harvey
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#, USN, with a
total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian technicians, and
observers) disappeared without explanation. NOT A SINGLE TRACE or clue as
to the fate of the craft, or it’s occupants, were ever recovered: no oil
slicks, radiation, floating debris, or similar signs of wreckage were ever
seen. It is interesting to note that almost all of the reports at the time
stated the ship had “disappeared,” or was “lost,” not “sunk!” One woman
whose husband was on the ill-fated ship reported her belief that her
husband was still ALIVE! Theologically speaking, the possibility of a
long-distance http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#
connection or “communion” on a deep, emotional level between a husband and
a wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm of the occult or
“psychic” phenomena. Many religions believe that the very spiritual natures
of a husband and a wife are united upon the consummation of a marriage, and
thus they become, as Christian teachings say, “one flesh”.

The actual words of this woman, who was interviewed by Will Carson and
Jeannie Joy — two writers
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# devoted to
pursuing strange events — shortly after the Thresher incident, were as
follows:

“My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it disappeared. I don’t
consider myself a widow. I don’t believe my husband is dead. No, it’s not a
matter of just not being able to believe it, to accept reality; I just
can’t get over the conviction that he’s still alive somewhere. I love my
husband very much. I know he loved–loves me. We were very close. We could
always tell when something was wrong with each other. Intuition, I guess. I
should have felt something the instant there was trouble, if he was really
in serious trouble and knew it–a matter of life and death–but I didn’t.”

“What do you believe really happened?” Carson and Joy asked the attractive
young woman.

“Most people think I’m crazy when I say this, but I believe the Thresher
was captured.”

“By whom?”

“I can’t say for sure, but there WAS a Russian submarine spotted near
there that day (…that is, near where it REPORTEDLY vanished 220 miles off
Boston http://www.csp.navy.mil/othboats/593.htm harbor — so either the
Thresher DID sink there, off Boston harbor… OR the government created an
elaborate ‘cover story’ of it sinking off the east coast when in fact it
went through the Panama
http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/search/web/%2522After%2Bemerging%2Bon%2Bthe%2BPacific%2Bside%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPanama%2BCanal%2Bon%2B9%2BMay%2522%2BThresher/1/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1
canal and disappeared near the west coast, or BENEATH the west coast… or,
IF the Thresher did disappear off of Boston harbor, then the nuclear sub
that disappered in the aqua-caves of California may have been yet another –
possibly top secret – submarine. Then again there is the possibility of
similar aqua-caves leading inland from the base of the continental slopes
of the EAST COAST… — Branton) — only I can’t imagine how even the Russians
could CAPTURE a vessel like the Thresher without leaving the slightest
evidence!”

The following account, concerning an area just east of BISHOP (OWENS
VALLEY), CALIFORNIA, was related by Val Valerian in his ‘LEADING EDGE’
Newsletter http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#, Dec.
1989 – Jan. 1990 issue. The article, titled: ‘DEEP SPRING’S, CALIFORNIA’,
stated: “Deep Springs, California is an area that is becoming known as the
site for very strange events. According to the information released both on
the air on KVEG-AM and from other sources, the area is full of strange
people wandering around in black suits. There have also been rumors that
there is an underground facility in the area. Checking with gravity anomaly
maps proved that there are large cavities under the ground in that area.
The wildest claims relative to the area have stated that alien lifeforms
are being released there… Deep Springs Lake has been probed and it appears
bottomless. Divers have traveled along an underground river 27 miles toward
the Las Vegas area before having to turn around.” (This ‘river’ would
probably have been a ‘partially’ water-filled cave with a large stream or
river flowing through it, rather than an entirely underwater passage, since
27 miles would undoubtedly be entirely out of the question if it were all
underwater travel, with present diving technology – Branton).


Back to John Lear :
Last Tuesday I drove from Reno to Las Vegas after attending the Bay Area
UFO Expo. As I drove through Hawthorne I came upon the entrance to the
Naval Undersea Warfare Center which is on the north side of the road I
pulled over to the right and took out my camera
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# to get a picture
of the sign. As I rolled down the window and lifted my camera I heard a
bunch of shouting and guards waving their arms from the guard shack.

I pulled across the road to the entrance just short of the shack a lady in
Army uniform came over and told me I couldn’t take pictures.. I mentioned
to her that I was just going to take a picture of the sign which was less
than ten feet from the highway. She told me I couldn’t take pictures
anywhere around there.

I asked her if I could sign up for a tour. She responded vehemently in the
negative. She then advised me that she should call the Military
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# Police to
confiscate my camera. I told her that I hadn’t had time to take a picture
and that I was just happened to be leaving at that moment. She waved me to
turn around and jotted down my car license number. I was going to ask her
if there were any submarines parked underground but she was Army and I
figured she probably wouldn’t have known.

So. What do you think? Is there a vast underground sea under California
and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various directions? Maybe one
that goes to Las Vegas?

Is there a possibility that the Navy does operate submarines from Monterey
Bay via an underground sea which extends underneath the San Joaquin Valley,
then under the Sierra Nevada mountain range to a Naval Undersea Warfare
Center deep below the Nevada desert in Hawthorne Nevada?

Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear reactor at Aristarchus
on the moon I’ll believe anything.


AREA #51 connected to Hawthorne ?
It was the recollection of a former worker at the NTS that “an awful
lot of drilling” was done in Area 19, but relatively few Nuclear blasts. He
says there was a story released that the drillers hit an underground lake
as a result the NTS was not able to fully utilize the area.


Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg10#

Ubehebe Crater system contains several volcanic craters, cinder cones and
ash hills, all relics from an explosive steam eruption about 2,000 years
ago, when rising magma met an underground lake.
http://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/
ubehebe_crater.html


So are any of you going to try and explain the fact that the area is
approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains its water level?
John Lear responds : “I would speculate that there are elevators that go
down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that go far deeper have
been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area, the Nevada Test Site
and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue. Thanks for the post.”
************************************Another Post from John Lear :
WOW! Antar you just blew my mind! Yes. Many years ago a Navy friend of
mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE… I had completely
forgotten about that. He also told me about the “TUBES”, the Navy
underground transportation system. He told me that the techs that worked in
the tubes were called “tubemoles”. Thanks for the memory jog!


Post by PWEAGLE :
I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last year and they said it
ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. I sure there are many
cavities dotting the desert floor, possibly leading to one another in a
vast wedding http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1# of
underground channels.
I just can’t help to think that there all connected.

I’m here in Laughlin area and frequently drive back home to the high
desert from the high desert, lol. Driving on interstate 40 I can’t help but
wonder how many undiscovered holes there are in the desert. There
Mitchell’s caverns but those are small but whose to say that a little bit
of dynamite couldn’t open it up to something even bigger. Its a big desert
with many possibilities.

I wouldn’t dough the possibility of 200 mile+ underground river and
channels.
Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth and decided to stay
there rather then come back or maybe they where captured who knows but its
fun to think about it.

Time to Google map some of these places and see if there’s any strange
things going on. Thanks john


I’ve heard of saline lakes in California, Mono lake comes to mind :
http://www.monolake.org/


Topic started on 17-3-2007 @ 11:23 AM by allMIGHTY
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1
I’m proud to show you a very cool sign of one of the biggest underground
bases that you ever seen before.

I searched the forum before and there was no match for it. If so, then sry
for posting.

I found a sign with Google Earth
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1# for a very huge
underground base that could have the size of about 12 x 6 kilometers in the
north of the
China Lake Naval Weapons base.

There is a earthquake
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#-pattern of which
the most occured in the year
1982/83. I really think they where underground detonations for
creating a huge underground installation.
GO TO : http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4096/base02oo2.th.jpg
the coordinates are 35-41’6.16″N – 117-41’35.12″W
at the China http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1# Lake
Naval Base. The earthquake pattern is directly in the
upper left beneath the base.


Well, it looks like there may be something to it after all.

Navy Sets Up New Facility For Tunnel-Warfare Training : http://www.
nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2002/Nov/Navy_Sets_Up.htm

Using the abandoned mines at China Lake, U.S. units can learn how to
operate in such environments, Manofsky said.
“Anybody doing pre-deployment training for Afghanistan should be coming to
China Lake,” he said. “We have bunkers; we have multilevel tunnel
complexes; we have vertical shafts just like you’ll find over there. Some
of them look exactly like Afghan aqueducts.”
Three of the tunnel locations are fully instrumented with weather stations
and environmental sensing equipment inside and outside. “Once a month,
our reservists go out and do a data sweep,” Manofsky said. The tunnels are
so spread out that the job takes a full day. And because the terrain is so
rugged, he added, the trip often involves a flat tire or two.


reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar
Mr. Lear
Don’t know if this is relevant or not…..” The Devils Hole water level
reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a connection with a
massive underground sea below.” I know people have disappeared while
exploring Devil’s Hole. Never to be found. Reports are: there’s a large
subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss. Wonder’s how many
disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going to Devils Hole when
the weather gets a little cooler. I’ll try and get some good photo’s. If we
run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few questions or Not


John Lear : I know that there was a secret NAVY base at Lake Tahoe, at
least there was in 1983. Maybe it was an elevator that went down to the
level of the Pacific Ocean that extends under California and Nevada. Maybe
there is a similar facility at Pyramid Lake. There is definately one at
Walker Lake. Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that underground ocean
(actually its not an ‘underground ocean’ its the same level as the rest of
the Pacific, it is the land that is ‘above water’ so to speak) to travel
around.

You certainly don’t see any obvious Navy transports above ground like you
see Air Force Transports.
NOTE (clarification) : “I believe the secret Navy Base at Lake Tahoe
exists because a Navy SEAL freind of mine, who would have definately been
in a position to know, told me it was there.


There are 2 routes from Monterey Bay south of San Francisco
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg8# to the submarine
base under Hawthorne. I believe one is used for each direction, one going
in and one coming out. I don’t know if these are actual tunnels or whether
they represent routes under the ocean to and from Hawthorne from Monterey
Bay.


Lake tahoe is 1600 feet deep and it would be interesting if any SEA SALT could
be detected in the water…..
NOTE : Unlikely. Lake Tahoe is 6200 ft. above mean sea level. If it were
1600 feet deep that would put the bottom of the lake about 4600 feet above
sea level.


Gotrox :
I wonder about the Moho discontinuity—-an area below the surface that
seems to deflect/bend seismic Waves in a way that geologists and
seismologists haven’t really been able to explain. It is found throughout
the vast majority of the planet. Though quite far down ( + – 70
kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some postulate water) and if
some technology had been able to reach it, a way to traverse great
distances by stealth would be feasible.
I would post links, but it is all over the place, and I find it much
better to do your own searching and reach your own conclusions.
Just type “moho discontinuity” into any search engine.


As far as the “tubes” go, John, I have no doubt they exist, courtesy of
nuclear tunnel boring machines that leave glass walls in their wake. I
didn’t know they were Navy, though now you mention it, it makes sense.
Underground Oceans

Very interesting John. Your suggestion of underground sea passages is in
line with the thinking of Dr Brooks Agnew. He was on Coast to Coast AM on
16 February 2007 : ” Hollow Earth Expedition”
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/VoyagetoHollowEarth.htm


Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by “ZORGON”

One of the points made particularly in THIS thread is about the
underground TUBES The high speed transit tubes. Now I saw someone mention
about the Nuclear powered TBM’s that melt rock…

Well you don’t believe John…
So

Would you believe Rand Corporation documents from 1972?

Would you believe Department of Defense documents that back up
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg9# the Rand
Corporation?

Would you believe Patents filed by Los Alamos National Laboratory and the
Department of Energy for three Atomic TBM’s? In 1972?

Would you believe people are so blind that they still don’t get it even
when its REPORTED in the LA Times in 1972?

Well if THAT isn’t enough documentation on just ONE of the things John
says, then there is no help for you and please feel free to laugh it up

And don’t give me that nonsense about “Just because they issued a patent
doesn’t mean…”

BS!!! Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los Alamos… just be
prepared to answer WHY you want to know

The documents are all here… if your afraid the site will bite… too bad…
its where I store all the data
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg9# and can organize
it at MY expense and not use other peoples band width

Regards

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well Sidhartha, interestingly both Atlantis and Lemuria were sunk due to tales of underground caverns.

The people of Lemuria were said to have discovered the power of sound and the manipulation of the environment, life, etc. via sound. Ultimately they had sound/echo/amplifier/resonance chambers of some sort underground their "black arts" group used it inappropriately, thus sinking their continent/large island.

The people of Atlantis supposedly drilled too deep into their central mountain or something like this and the island or continent essentially imploded or collapsed in on itself on down into the cavernous mining zone. I suspect they hit an underground cavern system (perhaps that enormous underground ocean spoken of in Etidorhpa?) and plop, there it went, out of sight with the shelves or edges covering up the populated central region such that we can't really isolate it now.

There's no doubt that we need better GPR (ground penetrating radar) and drilling methods.

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On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:45 PM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

Yeah Soretna...this probably also explains those highly paranoid conspiracy theories of how some parts of coastal California may be at risk (God forbid) of sliding into the Pacific Ocean , in case of a large earthquake...on a different note , I wonder - could the sudden submergence of Atlantis have happened because of caverns beneath Atlantis having abruptly caved in ?

Regards

On Friday, July 6, 2018, 2:44:17 PM GMT, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

Intriguing, you may be interested in what appears to be the more original

source wherein there are images that appear to be missing from the link you

shared:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Navy_Secrets.html

For one example, there is this image:

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:14 AM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected]

[ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

Folks , this article is for those in our group who might still be

sceptical about the extensive cavern networks underneath California (extending
undersea right upto the Pacific Ocean)
...Well , guess what - then how

can a submarine base exist in middle of the arid desert of Nevada ??? There

is no water in a desert , so how can there be a submarine base there ??

The answer to that is -

*if some undersea caverns extend deep inland , from beneath California ,

then it might be possible to have submarines operating under the Nevada

desert in those seawater filled caverns...*

But wait , it gets still more interesting -

*Death Valley , which is not far from this Submarine base of the Nevada

desert , itself sits on top of a gigantic cavern beneath , so much so ,

that it's believed a major earthquake could potentially collapse the floor

of Death Valley (or the top of that underground cavern , depending which

way you think about it) , revealing a canyon possibly as grand as the Grand

Canyon itself*...this got me thinking : what if the Grand Canyon itself

was formed after some prehistoric earthquake that collapsed the roof of the

cavern , hence opening up that underground Cavern into an Open canyon - the

Grand Canyon !

Then just when I thought , all this couldn't get any weirder , I read

somewhere that some native American tribes in California have reported

hearing the sound of sea waves inside some underground caverns and even

heard whales singing !

The only way that could be true is if some undersea cavern network from
the Pacific coast of America , extends deep inland beneath California.....

http://www.subterraneanbases.com/navy-submarine-base-under-

the-nevada-desert/

Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?

What ever happened with Steve Fossett ?

John Lear says it might have to do with an Above Top Secret UNDERGROUND

Submarine Base.

John revealed it’s location and he thinks the Base Commander was

pissed.

A short time later Steve Fossett turns up missing.

The Navy Sub Base in Nevada might have thought

John Lear was in the plane (photographing the location).

The aircraft was ordered to be shot down.

Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed aircraft.

That is why the Mega Search turned up NOTHING.

So…We do NOT know how true the above is. But….

The City of Hawthorne continues to blossom to the south of Walker Lake

with restaurants and motels offering provisions, diversions and

accommodations for travelers.

It’s a five minute drive out of town to the north, but instead of

continuing to Walker Lake Hawthorne’s fourth and grandest wonder turn west

into “the Base.” This was once the headquarters for the US Navy Ammunition

Depot, and is now a minor paradise enjoyed by its residents and by visitors

alike. Take ten minute driving tour of this astonishing remnant from

another age. Just drive in; if there is a security guard on duty, just say

“Golf Course” and you’re in.

Your tour ends at the Walker Lake Country Club, where a beautiful 9-hole

golf course (open to the public) was the best-kept military secret in

America for 50 years. It was built by base employees, four holes at first,

and then two at a time until the ninth hole was completed 30 years ago...

“Where is everybody?” we asked the manager.

“‘I don’t know,’ he said. “It’s always like this out here.’ I thought he

was going to add, ‘in heaven.'” The club house is a favorite meeting place

for local decision-makers.

*Hawthorne is on the main Las Vegas-Reno highway and serves as Nevada’s

gateway to Yosemite and the eastern Sierra via the Pole Line Road (Nevada

  1. connecting with US 395 and the Tioga Pass. * Lake Denmark, New

Jersey, was blown off the face of the earth by a huge explosion at the

naval ammunition depot there (in 1926), and Congress wanted to find some

less valuable real estate for the new one. After a nationwide search,

Hawthorne was the choice, the Yucca Mountain of its time.

In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of Officers to provide

oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. A court of inquiry

investigating the explosion recommended that a depot be established in a

remote area within 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of the west coast to serve the

Pacific area. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in July 1928, and NAD

received its first shipment of high explosives on October 19, 1930.

Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided by the U.S. Marine

Corps. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War II, 600 Marines

were assigned to the facility. In 1977, that number had been reduced to 117;*

security is contracted to a private company.*

The following progression illustrates the result through World War II:

1930 pop.: 680

1940 pop.: 1,009

1944 pop.: 13,000

1950 pop.: 1,861

With more than 7,000 armed forces and civilian workers at the arsenal

during the war, Hawthorne was the busiest Nevada boomtown in a generation.

By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government housing at nearby

Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom was over. Growth

since has been slow, and today the ammunition depot plays a diminishing

role in Hawthorne’s economy, although its bunkers still pimple the desert

as they have for more than 75 years. The Gulf War brought more good times

to Hawthorne, and the base now under civilian management is bulging more

than ever with munitions.

In 1984, after nearly 50 years without a major mishap, one of the storage

bunkers exploded. The blast was contained as intended, blowing up instead

of out, and the deeply feared chain-reaction causing immense damage and

loss of life did not occur. In the early 1990s a bunker detonated for no

discernible cause, unless it was provoked by a lightning storm the previous

day.


The depot began its existence as the Hawthorne Naval Ammunition Depot

(NAD).

The Hawthorne Army Depot is a huge ammunition storage site located near

the town of Hawthorne in western Nevada in the United States. It is

directly south of Walker Lake. The depot covers 147,000 acres (595 km), and

has 600,000 square feet (55,700 m) of floor space in 2,427 storage bunkers.

It is said to be the largest such facility in the world. * The depot is

run by an independent contractor under an agreement with the government.

Security is contracted to a private company.*

In May 2005, the facility was included on the 2005 Base Realignment and

Closure list, with closure being recommended. However, the depot was

subsequently dropped from the BRAC list, and thus will continue to

operate. In 1998-1999, the facility was used to destroy the U.S. stockpile

of M687 chemical artillery shells

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M687_chemical_artillery_shell> and separate

from them their 505 tons (458 metric tons) of binary precursor chemicals.

History : In 1977, NAD was transferred to the Army, and renamed the

Hawthorne Army Ammunition Plant (HWAAP). In 1980, HWAAP was redesignated as

a government-owned contractor-operated facility. Day & Zimmermann Hawthorne

Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor. In 1994, the

facility received its current name of the Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD).

********************* http://www.globalsecurity.org/

military/facility/hawthorne.htm

HWAD claims to be the “Worlds Largest Depot” and is the largest industrial

activity in the state of Nevada.

Hawthorne Army Depot is located in the west central part of Nevada close

to the California state line. It is approximately two hours southeast of

Reno on US Highway 95. The facility’s area 147,000 Acres (Leased/Owned) and

..6M Sq. Ft. Floor Space. Facilities include 178 Buildings and 2,427

Igloos.

In 1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor, Pennsylvania, was

awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award fee contract for the

operation and maintenance of a government owned/contractor operated

facility.

*************** Why would we want a submarine base in Nevada ?

This map might help: http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1479/

flyingmranchatsauy1.png

A big enough lake and possible under water entrance into a lab area. NUWC

stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map.

****************** An underwater craft from another nation engaged one of

our subs in combat under California or Nevada.

nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2002/Nov/Navy_Sets_Up.htm

Using the abandoned mines at China Lake, U.S. units can learn how to

operate in such environments, Manofsky said.

“Anybody doing pre-deployment training for Afghanistan should be coming to

China Lake,” he said. “We have bunkers; we have multilevel tunnel

complexes; we have vertical shafts just like you’ll find over there. Some

of them look exactly like Afghan aqueducts.”

Three of the tunnel locations are fully instrumented with weather stations

and environmental sensing equipment inside and outside. “Once a month,

our reservists go out and do a data sweep,” Manofsky said. The tunnels are

so spread out that the job takes a full day. And because the terrain is so

rugged, he added, the trip often involves a flat tire or two.


reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar

Mr. Lear

Don’t know if this is relevant or not…..” The Devils Hole water level

reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a connection with a

massive underground sea below.” I know people have disappeared while

exploring Devil’s Hole. Never to be found. Reports are: there’s a large

subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss. Wonder’s how many

disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going to Devils Hole when

the weather gets a little cooler. I’ll try and get some good photo’s. If we

run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few questions or Not


John Lear : I know that there was a secret NAVY base at Lake Tahoe, at

least there was in 1983. Maybe it was an elevator that went down to the

level of the Pacific Ocean that extends under California and Nevada. Maybe

there is a similar facility at Pyramid Lake. There is definately one at

Walker Lake. Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that underground ocean

(actually its not an ‘underground ocean’ its the same level as the rest of

the Pacific, it is the land that is ‘above water’ so to speak) to travel

around.

You certainly don’t see any obvious Navy transports above ground like you

see Air Force Transports.

NOTE (clarification) : “I believe the secret Navy Base at Lake Tahoe

exists because a Navy SEAL freind of mine, who would have definately been

in a position to know, told me it was there.


There are 2 routes from Monterey Bay south of San Francisco

base under Hawthorne. I believe one is used for each direction, one going

in and one coming out. I don’t know if these are actual tunnels or whether

they represent routes under the ocean to and from Hawthorne from Monterey

Bay.


Lake tahoe is 1600 feet deep and it would be interesting if any SEA SALT could

be detected in the water…..

NOTE : Unlikely. Lake Tahoe is 6200 ft. above mean sea level. If it were

1600 feet deep that would put the bottom of the lake about 4600 feet above

sea level.


Gotrox :

I wonder about the Moho discontinuity—-an area below the surface that

seems to deflect/bend seismic Waves in a way that geologists and

seismologists haven’t really been able to explain. It is found throughout

the vast majority of the planet. Though quite far down ( + – 70

kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some postulate water) and if

some technology had been able to reach it, a way to traverse great

distances by stealth would be feasible.

I would post links, but it is all over the place, and I find it much

better to do your own searching and reach your own conclusions.

Just type “moho discontinuity” into any search engine.


As far as the “tubes” go, John, I have no doubt they exist, courtesy of

nuclear tunnel boring machines that leave glass walls in their wake. I

didn’t know they were Navy, though now you mention it, it makes sense.

Underground Oceans

Very interesting John. Your suggestion of underground sea passages is in

line with the thinking of Dr Brooks Agnew. He was on Coast to Coast AM on

16 February 2007 : ” Hollow Earth Expedition”

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/VoyagetoHollowEarth.htm


Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by “ZORGON”

One of the points made particularly in THIS thread is about the

underground TUBES The high speed transit tubes. Now I saw someone mention

about the Nuclear powered TBM’s that melt rock…

Well you don’t believe John…

So

Would you believe Rand Corporation documents from 1972?

Would you believe Department of Defense documents that back up

Babbitt was a government housing facility in Mineral County, Nevada,

United States. It was established in 1941.

Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD Hawthorne, H.S. Babbitt...

During its existence, Babbitt was assigned the ZIP code of 89416.


Per John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Hawthorne Nevada

access the West Coast using underground elevators and train.

John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel system used by the

Military.

Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta Basin in NE Utah

and to Dulce New Mexico?

*The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct line heading NNE

from Hawthorne to the Ranch.*

Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from Uinta Basin and SE from

Hawthorne.

(Excuse me if my directions are off, I have a very small map to look at

and Hawthorne isn’t even on the same page as Uinta Basin and Dulce.

Is it possible that these three areas are part of the underground

tunnel/train/waterway Network ?

I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was mentioned in info about

the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch. Certainly similar unexplained

activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta Basin. (Also prob in the

whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena occurred near

Hawthorne?


Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?

Topic started on 1-9-2007 @ 01:29 AM by JOHN LEAR :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1

Over the past 20 years I have heard stories of a huge U.S. Navy submarine

base under the desert in Hawthorne Nevada.

During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno many times and was

always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before entering the town

of Hawthorne. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from Las Vegas and about

two and a half hours drive from Reno.)

It used to read “Naval Undersea Warfare Training Center”.. Today it reads

“Naval Undersea Warfare Center”. They must have made the change in the past

year or so. Maybe longer.

Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition is made, tested and

stored. Endless rows of ammunition bunkers dot both sides of the road.

Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The East Walker river

drains into it and over the past 20 years has become shallower and

shallower. The lake is about 18 miles long and about 8 miles wide the

longer axis running north and south.

It can’t be very deep. I am not good at judging lake depths, maybe 100

feet? 150 feet? Certainly wouldn’t seem deep enough for a Ohio, Virginia,

Seawolf,Los Angeles. Maybe that little nuclear powered Fast Attack Sub... But

I know nothing about submarines.

And the lake itself certainly wouldn’t be big enough or deep enough to

train for Undersea Warfare. Or so it would seem.

There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a shelf underneath

which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean. Maybe the Pacific

Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne Nevada (and even further?)...

Maybe there is some kind of access from the surface of the desert within

the area occupied by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center. And maybe if you go

deep enough there is a huge part of the Pacific Ocean in which the Navy

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> conducts Undersea

Warfare training.

Impossible? Improbable? So it would seem.

But let’s assume that it might be true. There would have to be a route

from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. If we take a set of dividers and place

one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at the closest portion

of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in Monterey Bay, just south

of San Francisco. Just north of Fort Ord.

The distance is roughly about 212 statute miles.

Now let’s also assume that there is traffic both to and from Monterey Bay

and Hawthorne Nevada. We would probably have to have to separate channels,

one for each direction of travel. If it’s a sea how can we separate these

channels? I don’t know.

Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines representing these

channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. If a submarine where to make

33 knots the trip would take about five and a half hours.


The Underground Empire

( Branton — File No. 008 )

In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> “Patriot” who

published the anti-Communist oriented “REBEL MAGAZINE” (at the time

available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J. Williams. Pres., 2011

Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310) revealed some

incredible details on an alleged subterranean system which the Navy had

been exploring below the western United States. The report appeared in

issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced in the Fall, 1985

(#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by Marjorie Palmer,

widow of the late Ray Palmer.

The article, titled ‘CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?’, revealed the following:

“Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> interview-show

briefly mention that parts of California and neighboring states are

floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking Naval officer on a

top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is) exploring and mapping

these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the West for over 10

years now.

“A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. He is now living quietly

in retirement <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and

asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he does not want

publicity and government attention. After writing this article, I destroyed

my files on him. This is his story…”

Williams explains that not “all” of the areas in question are actually

“resting” or “floating” on the ocean, however there are allegedly many

subterranean cavities

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> below the western

U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many of them consist of

very large water-filled aqua-systems. These have been explored via nuclear

submarines to several hundred miles inland, particularly in the region of

southern California and the southern Oregon – northern California

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> area. Williams

continues:

“…When he retired several years ago, in spite of about 10 years of

intensive Naval study, the Navy had not gotten even a handle on their

exacts and dimensions. Today, the story may be different.

“He makes the following statements from his observations:

“1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from a few to thousands

of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100 feet.

“2. Much like dry caverns do, heights

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and depths vary a

great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or passageways pass over

or under each other at different depths.

“3. Most of the entrances lie just off the Continental Shelf (ie.. or

rather, WITHIN the lower slopes/cliffs of the Continental Shelf – Branton).

“4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine investigation; and

many that are large enough lie in waters that are too deep.

“5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped with oil while some

others are filled with gases believed to approximate our atmosphere (in

very ancient times).

“6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion of the original

cavernous area that collapsed eons

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> ago due to it’s

sheer weight.

“7. What is being passed off as the ‘San Andreas Fault’ are large,

unsupported chambers that are in the process of collapsing. When the BIG

ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe that most of

California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and slide into the ocean!

(it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass which some believe may

have been connected to what is now California, broke off and sunk into the

ocean during an ancient cataclysm – Branton)

“8. (We are deleting this section due to the possibility of undue stress

and fear which may result from it’s disclosure. Also, because of recent

international events which may have resulted in a solution to this problem.

We will merely state that it involves a scenario similar to that which was

portrayed in a James Bond

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> movie, and which

concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear weapons, and the San

Andreas fault – Branton).

“9. A WELL-KNOWN U.S. nuclear submarine lost its way in these passages and

disappeared forever. It was reported to have been lost IN OPEN SEA

ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total ignorance and to justify an

enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who died in recent

years) for providing the fictitious “recovery” effort. “I have no reason to

doubt the man. I can’t tell for sure whether or not these caverns and

passageways exist or to their extents. The story does sound a bit fantastic

but I have no reason to doubt the man. I have seen copies of documentation

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> that at least

prove that he was a high ranking Naval officer (nuclear submarine duty) and

a distinguished scientist. In fact, his scientific background and

reputation are impeccable. He definitely cannot be labeled as a crackpot,

lunatic or publicity-seeker. I would very much like more information on

this topic…”

After further inquiries to Mr. Williams on the part of ‘inner earth’

researchers, Williams responded with the following when asked whether or

not he had received any replies to his request for more information about

the alleged passageways below California:“Since publishing our article on

the vast cavern network

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> under much of

California, we have received many responses and inquiries. Some of these

responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. Note that the material sent

to us for this article was written by someone of very high repute whose

credentials I personally checked out.

“Due to an agreement with him, I cannot reveal his identity. One response

was from a retired (conventional submarine duty? – Branton) submarine

commander, who according to him, spent many years in the waters off

California. He stated that the caverns do NOT exist.

“Another response was from an anonymous person who cited unpublished oil

company seismographical data

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and stated,

‘Although most of the caverns you depict in your drawing are smaller,

larger or located somewhat differently than the actual caverns, you are

essentially correct… My information is more up-to-date than what you

apparently relied upon.’ He (or she) did not supply any maps to pin down

our differences, just some written descriptions. However, some

knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her) overall ‘map’ from

the voluminous seismographical data sent.. I am in the process of looking

for this input; it’s been several years now and it may have all been thrown

out… Incidentally, the oil company seismic data had much data round the

Fresno area if that helps any.

“One incident which tends to confirm the fact that California is in fact

floating on the ocean was a story which made the headlines in recent years.

“This incident involved an oil discovery beneath Long Beach, California.

When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground beneath Long Beach

it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING INTO THE OCEAN!

“It sank up to 26 feet and dikes had to be built to keep out the water.

The problem is (temporarily) being rectified by ‘water injection’–i.e.

pumping an equivalent amount of WATER into the ground to the amount of oil

and water taken out, in order to keep the city AFLOAT!”

One thing which may be of interest in connection with Mr. Williams’

account was a statement which was made by a prominent California Bigfoot

investigator by the name of Virginia Louise Swanson, who has done a good

deal <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of study on

caves and their connections to the Bigfoot phenomena. She refers to these

caverns in the following words:

“…Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of Death Valley is located

on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. A certain type of earthquake would collapse

all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that would open up into

another Grand Canyon

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>.”

According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines ever to disappear

under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER and the U.S.S.

SCORPION. It is uncertain whether the retired Navy Officer who John J.

Williams spoke of was referring to the THRESHER or the SCORPION, although

the disappearance of the Thresher probably caused more publicity at the

time. The Thresher was the LEAD SHIP or ‘Flag’ ship in the world’s most

advanced class of nuclear attack submarines. She was designed to operate

deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors and was also endowed

with significant advances in sonar equipment, in noise reduction

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and in

fire-control. All in all, she was the most advanced international submarine

in the world at the time of her disappearance and would have been an ideal

choice for a top-secret mission such as the exploration of the caverns

mentioned by John Williams’ source.

On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the Thresher, under the

command of Lt. Commander John W. Harvey

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, USN, with a

total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian technicians, and

observers) disappeared without explanation. NOT A SINGLE TRACE or clue as

to the fate of the craft, or it’s occupants, were ever recovered: no oil

slicks, radiation, floating debris, or similar signs of wreckage were ever

seen. It is interesting to note that almost all of the reports at the time

stated the ship had “disappeared,” or was “lost,” not “sunk!” One woman

whose husband was on the ill-fated ship reported her belief that her

husband was still ALIVE! Theologically speaking, the possibility of a

long-distance <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>

connection or “communion” on a deep, emotional level between a husband and

a wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm of the occult or

“psychic” phenomena. Many religions believe that the very spiritual natures

of a husband and a wife are united upon the consummation of a marriage, and

thus they become, as Christian teachings say, “one flesh”.

The actual words of this woman, who was interviewed by Will Carson and

Jeannie Joy — two writers

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> devoted to

pursuing strange events — shortly after the Thresher incident, were as

follows:

“My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it disappeared. I don’t

consider myself a widow. I don’t believe my husband is dead. No, it’s not a

matter of just not being able to believe it, to accept reality; I just

can’t get over the conviction that he’s still alive somewhere. I love my

husband very much. I know he loved–loves me. We were very close. We could

always tell when something was wrong with each other. Intuition, I guess. I

should have felt something the instant there was trouble, if he was really

in serious trouble and knew it–a matter of life and death–but I didn’t.”

“What do you believe really happened?” Carson and Joy asked the attractive

young woman.

“Most people think I’m crazy when I say this, but I believe the Thresher

was captured.”

“By whom?”

“I can’t say for sure, but there WAS a Russian submarine spotted near

there that day (…that is, near where it REPORTEDLY vanished 220 miles off

Boston <http://www.csp.navy.mil/othboats/593.htm> harbor — so either the

Thresher DID sink there, off Boston harbor… OR the government created an

elaborate ‘cover story’ of it sinking off the east coast when in fact it

went through the Panama

<http://www.metacrawler.com/info.metac/search/web/%252522After%252Bemerging%252Bon%252Bthe%252BPacific%252Bside%252Bof%252Bthe%252BPanama%252BCanal%252Bon%252B9%252BMay%252522%252BThresher/1/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/1/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top/-/-/-/1>

canal and disappeared near the west coast, or BENEATH the west coast… or,

IF the Thresher did disappear off of Boston harbor, then the nuclear sub

that disappered in the aqua-caves of California may have been yet another –

possibly top secret – submarine. Then again there is the possibility of

similar aqua-caves leading inland from the base of the continental slopes

of the EAST COAST… — Branton) — only I can’t imagine how even the Russians

could CAPTURE a vessel like the Thresher without leaving the slightest

evidence!”

The following account, concerning an area just east of BISHOP (OWENS

VALLEY), CALIFORNIA, was related by Val Valerian in his ‘LEADING EDGE’

Newsletter <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, Dec.

1989 – Jan. 1990 issue. The article, titled: ‘DEEP SPRING’S, CALIFORNIA’,

stated: “Deep Springs, California is an area that is becoming known as the

site for very strange events. According to the information released both on

the air on KVEG-AM and from other sources, the area is full of strange

people wandering around in black suits. There have also been rumors that

there is an underground facility in the area. Checking with gravity anomaly

maps proved that there are large cavities under the ground in that area.

The wildest claims relative to the area have stated that alien lifeforms

are being released there… Deep Springs Lake has been probed and it appears

bottomless. Divers have traveled along an underground river 27 miles toward

the Las Vegas area before having to turn around.” (This ‘river’ would

probably have been a ‘partially’ water-filled cave with a large stream or

river flowing through it, rather than an entirely underwater passage, since

27 miles would undoubtedly be entirely out of the question if it were all

underwater travel, with present diving technology – Branton).


Back to John Lear :

Last Tuesday I drove from Reno to Las Vegas after attending the Bay Area

UFO Expo. As I drove through Hawthorne I came upon the entrance to the

Naval Undersea Warfare Center which is on the north side of the road I

pulled over to the right and took out my camera

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> to get a picture

of the sign. As I rolled down the window and lifted my camera I heard a

bunch of shouting and guards waving their arms from the guard shack.

I pulled across the road to the entrance just short of the shack a lady in

Army uniform came over and told me I couldn’t take pictures.. I mentioned

to her that I was just going to take a picture of the sign which was less

than ten feet from the highway. She told me I couldn’t take pictures

anywhere around there.

I asked her if I could sign up for a tour. She responded vehemently in the

negative. She then advised me that she should call the Military

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> Police to

confiscate my camera. I told her that I hadn’t had time to take a picture

and that I was just happened to be leaving at that moment. She waved me to

turn around and jotted down my car license number. I was going to ask her

if there were any submarines parked underground but she was Army and I

figured she probably wouldn’t have known.

So. What do you think? Is there a vast underground sea under California

and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various directions? Maybe one

that goes to Las Vegas?

Is there a possibility that the Navy does operate submarines from Monterey

Bay via an underground sea which extends underneath the San Joaquin Valley,

then under the Sierra Nevada mountain range to a Naval Undersea Warfare

Center deep below the Nevada desert in Hawthorne Nevada?

Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear reactor at Aristarchus

on the moon I’ll believe anything.


AREA #51 connected to Hawthorne ?

It was the recollection of a former worker at the NTS that “an awful

lot of drilling” was done in Area 19, but relatively few Nuclear blasts. He

says there was a story released that the drillers hit an underground lake

as a result the NTS was not able to fully utilize the area.


Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg10#>

Ubehebe Crater system contains several volcanic craters, cinder cones and

ash hills, all relics from an explosive steam eruption about 2,000 years

ago, when rising magma met an underground lake.

http://www.americansouthwest.net/california/death_valley/

ubehebe_crater.html


So are any of you going to try and explain the fact that the area is

approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains its water level?

John Lear responds : “I would speculate that there are elevators that go

down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that go far deeper have

been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area, the Nevada Test Site

and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue. Thanks for the post.”

************************************Another Post from John Lear :

WOW! Antar you just blew my mind! Yes. Many years ago a Navy friend of

mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE… I had completely

forgotten about that. He also told me about the “TUBES”, the Navy

underground transportation system. He told me that the techs that worked in

the tubes were called “tubemoles”. Thanks for the memory jog!


Post by PWEAGLE :

I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last year and they said it

ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. I sure there are many

cavities dotting the desert floor, possibly leading to one another in a

vast wedding <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of

underground channels.

I just can’t help to think that there all connected.

I’m here in Laughlin area and frequently drive back home to the high

desert from the high desert, lol. Driving on interstate 40 I can’t help but

wonder how many undiscovered holes there are in the desert. There

Mitchell’s caverns but those are small but whose to say that a little bit

of dynamite couldn’t open it up to something even bigger. Its a big desert

with many possibilities.

I wouldn’t dough the possibility of 200 mile+ underground river and

channels.

Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth and decided to stay

there rather then come back or maybe they where captured who knows but its

fun to think about it.

Time to Google map some of these places and see if there’s any strange

things going on. Thanks john


I’ve heard of saline lakes in California, Mono lake comes to mind :

http://www.monolake.org/


Topic started on 17-3-2007 @ 11:23 AM by allMIGHTY

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1

I’m proud to show you a very cool sign of one of the biggest underground

bases that you ever seen before.

I searched the forum before and there was no match for it. If so, then sry

for posting.

I found a sign with Google Earth

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> for a very huge

underground base that could have the size of about 12 x 6 kilometers in the

north of the

China Lake Naval Weapons base.

There is a earthquake

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#>-pattern of which

the most occured in the year

1982/83. I really think they where underground detonations for

creating a huge underground installation.

GO TO : http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4096/base02oo2.th.jpg

the coordinates are 35-41’6.16″N – 117-41’35.12″W

at the China <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> Lake

Naval Base. The earthquake pattern is directly in the

upper left beneath the base.


Well, it looks like there may be something to it after all.

Navy Sets Up New Facility For Tunnel-Warfare Training : http://www.> <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg8#> to the submarine> <http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> the Rand

Corporation?

Would you believe Patents filed by Los Alamos National Laboratory and the

Department of Energy for three Atomic TBM’s? In 1972?

Would you believe people are so blind that they still don’t get it even

when its REPORTED in the LA Times in 1972?

Well if THAT isn’t enough documentation on just ONE of the things John

says, then there is no help for you and please feel free to laugh it up

And don’t give me that nonsense about “Just because they issued a patent

doesn’t mean…”

BS!!! Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los Alamos… just be

prepared to answer WHY you want to know

The documents are all here… if your afraid the site will bite… too bad…

its where I store all the data

<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> and can organize

it at MY expense and not use other peoples band width

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Sidhartha,

This underground sea beneath California and Nevada seems to have truth to it.

Look a the giant torpedo the Russians are developing, nuclear tipped:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201806251065770048-nuclear-super-torpedo-development/

It would collapse the entranceways, and create Tsunamis for our cities.

And look at this one, Number One (#1) as you scroll down:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201806241065727034-secret-military-systems-leaked-top-5/

Look at the diagram. This is a submarine built for a torpedo, not a torpedo built for a submarine. It is huge. Most of our populations live along the coast. In Russia, they live inland.

The last one says: " In the center was a massive torpedo with a stated range of 10,000 kilometers, a 1,000 meter diving depth, and a maximum speed of up to 100 knots." They could close up the inner sea entranceways and flood our cities from Boston to Miami to Galveston to San Diego to Seattle.

How do you intercept a torpedo, or find the submarine from 10,000 kilometers out? They could hide hundreds of miles off the coast of Mexico or off the west coast, and fire and forget.

That inland sea must be below the San Joaquim Valley because the valley used to be a huge lake. When the Spaniards first explored the San Francisco Bay, they sailed various days inland! It extended, and they didn't bother going to the end of it; nor did they return for many years. The valley may have still been a lake back then. Why did the water level fall?

Dean

Dean, I've always wondered this too about the San Joaquin Valley and would like to see some more research and data about it. This makes a lot of sense and would seem to allude to near recent geological activity that's creating some serious problems for the region.

Sidhartha, one thing I find interesting as I have inquiries from some techheads who work in the radar industry is that they say that GPR (ground penetrating radar) is too fickle. I.e. not able to be used to obtain any meaningful information without high enough frequencies; but it's a double edged sword - the higher frequency you go, the cheaper the bulk parts, but the less deep you can penetrate.

One would need to go down into the low MHz or actually even KHz range, but would need to set up an array of these devices in order to pull sufficient telemetry back so as to create a proper "stereo" snapshot that can be composited.

If anyone has any ideas about what components could be useful in this area, please do reply. I think building something like this could be both beneficial and interesting, even if we could just start off relatively small but to prove out some ideas.

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On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 10:07 AM, [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] [email protected] wrote:

Sidhartha,

This underground sea beneath California and Nevada seems to have truth to it.

Look a the giant torpedo the Russians are developing, nuclear tipped:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201806251065770048-nuclear-super-torpedo-development/

It would collapse the entranceways, and create Tsunamis for our cities.

And look at this one, Number One (#1) as you scroll down:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201806241065727034-secret-military-systems-leaked-top-5/

Look at the diagram. This is a submarine built for a torpedo, not a torpedo built for a submarine. It is huge. Most of our populations live along the coast. In Russia, they live inland.

The last one says: " In the center was a massive torpedo with a stated range of 10,000 kilometers, a 1,000 meter diving depth, and a maximum speed of up to 100 knots." They could close up the inner sea entranceways and flood our cities from Boston to Miami to Galveston to San Diego to Seattle.

How do you intercept a torpedo, or find the submarine from 10,000 kilometers out? They could hide hundreds of miles off the coast of Mexico or off the west coast, and fire and forget.

That inland sea must be below the San Joaquim Valley because the valley used to be a huge lake. When the Spaniards first explored the San Francisco Bay, they sailed various days inland! It extended, and they didn't bother going to the end of it; nor did they return for many years. The valley may have still been a lake back then. Why did the water level fall?

Dean