Soretna , I agree - a ground penetrating radar survey of earth's entire surface is required (probably it's already done by "Black Ops") to be made available on public domain , so even the common man is aware of the natural cavern networks that exist beneath the ground , pretty much anywhere on Earth's surface , even beneath the ocean floor...
Regards
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On Fri, 7/6/18, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] Submarine Base under the Nevada Desert ?
To: "ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, July 6, 2018, 6:52 PM
Well Sidhartha,
interestingly both Atlantis and Lemuria were sunk due to
tales of underground caverns.
The people of Lemuria were said to
have discovered the power of sound and the manipulation of
the environment, life, etc. via sound. Ultimately they had
sound/echo/amplifier/resonance chambers of some sort
underground their "black arts" group used it
inappropriately, thus sinking their continent/large
island.
The people of
Atlantis supposedly drilled too deep into their central
mountain or something like this and the island or continent
essentially imploded or collapsed in on itself on down into
the cavernous mining zone. I suspect they hit an underground
cavern system (perhaps that enormous underground ocean
spoken of in Etidorhpa?) and plop, there it went, out of
sight with the shelves or edges covering up the populated
central region such that we can't really isolate it
now.
There's no
doubt that we need better GPR (ground penetrating radar) and
drilling methods.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:45 PM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah Soretna...this
probably also explains those highly paranoid
conspiracy theories of how some parts of coastal
California may be at risk (God forbid) of sliding into the
Pacific Ocean , in case of a large earthquake...on a
different note , I wonder - could the sudden submergence of
Atlantis have happened because of caverns beneath Atlantis
having abruptly caved in ?
Regards
On Friday, July 6, 2018, 2:44:17 PM GMT, Soretna [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Intriguing, you
may be interested in what appears to be the more original
source wherein there are images that appear to be missing
from the link you
shared:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/
47john_lear/02files/Navy_ Secrets.html
For one example, there is this image:
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:14 AM, sidhartha bahadur [email protected] [ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW] <ALLPLANETS-HOLLOW@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Folks , this article is for those in our group who
might still be
> sceptical about the extensive cavern networks
underneath California *(extending
> undersea right upto the Pacific Ocean)*...Well , guess
what - then how
> can a submarine base exist in middle of the arid desert
of Nevada ??? There
> is no water in a desert , so how can there be a
submarine base there ??
>
> The answer to that is -
> *if some undersea caverns extend deep inland , from
beneath California ,
> then it might be possible to have submarines operating
under the Nevada
> desert in those seawater filled caverns...*
>
> But wait , it gets still more interesting -
> *Death Valley , which is not far from this Submarine
base of the Nevada
> desert , itself sits on top of a gigantic cavern
beneath , so much so ,
> that it's believed a major earthquake could
potentially collapse the floor
> of Death Valley (or the top of that underground cavern
, depending which
> way you think about it) , revealing a canyon possibly
as grand as the Grand
> Canyon itself*...this got me thinking : what if the
Grand Canyon itself
> was formed after some prehistoric earthquake that
collapsed the roof of the
> cavern , hence opening up that underground Cavern into
an Open canyon - the
> Grand Canyon !
>
> Then just when I thought , all this couldn't get
any weirder , I read
> somewhere that some native American tribes in
California have reported
> hearing the sound of sea waves inside some underground
caverns and even
> heard whales singing !
> *The only way that could be true is if some undersea
cavern network from
> the Pacific coast of America , extends deep inland
beneath California......*
>
>
> http://www.subterraneanbases.
com/navy-submarine-base-under-
> the-nevada-desert/
> Navy Submarine Base Under the Nevada Desert ?
> What ever happened with Steve Fossett ?
> John Lear says it might have to do with an Above Top
Secret UNDERGROUND
> Submarine Base.
> John revealed it’s location and he thinks the Base
Commander was
> pissed.
> A short time later Steve Fossett turns up missing.
> The Navy Sub Base in Nevada might have thought
> John Lear was in the plane (photographing the
location).
> The aircraft was ordered to be shot down.
> Then..the ONI removed the evidence of the crashed
aircraft.
> That is why the Mega Search turned up NOTHING.
>
> So…We do NOT know how true the above is.
But….
>
> The City of Hawthorne continues to blossom to the south
of Walker Lake
> with restaurants and motels offering provisions,
diversions and
> accommodations for travelers.
> It’s a five minute drive out of town to the north,
but instead of
> continuing to Walker Lake Hawthorne’s fourth and
grandest wonder turn west
> into “the Base.” This was once the headquarters for
the US Navy Ammunition
> Depot, and is now a minor paradise enjoyed by its
residents and by visitors
> alike. Take ten minute driving tour of this astonishing
remnant from
> another age. Just drive in; if there is a security
guard on duty, just say
> “Golf Course” and you’re in.
> Your tour ends at the Walker Lake Country Club, where a
beautiful 9-hole
> golf course (open to the public) was the best-kept
military secret in
> America for 50 years. It was built by base employees,
four holes at first,
> and then two at a time until the ninth hole was
completed 30 years ago....
> “Where is everybody?” we asked the manager.
>
> “‘I don’t know,’ he said. “It’s always like
this out here.’ I thought he
> was going to add, ‘in heaven.'” The club house
is a favorite meeting place
> for local decision-makers.
>
> *Hawthorne is on the main Las Vegas-Reno highway and
serves as Nevada’s
> gateway to Yosemite and the eastern Sierra via the Pole
Line Road (Nevada
> 359) connecting with US 395 and the Tioga Pass. *
Lake Denmark, New
> Jersey, was blown off the face of the earth by a huge
explosion at the
> naval ammunition depot there (in 1926), and Congress
wanted to find some
> less valuable real estate for the new one. After a
nationwide search,
> Hawthorne was the choice, the Yucca Mountain of its
time.
> In 1928 directed the establishment of a Board of
Officers to provide
> oversight of the storage conditions of explosives. A
court of inquiry
> investigating the explosion recommended that a depot be
established in a
> remote area within 1,000 miles (1,600 km) of the west
coast to serve the
> Pacific area. Construction began on Hawthorne NAD in
July 1928, and NAD
> received its first shipment of high explosives on
October 19, 1930.
> Security for the 3,000 bunkers at NAD was provided
by the U.S. Marine
> Corps. Beginning in September 1930 and during World War
II, 600 Marines
> were assigned to the facility. In 1977, that number had
been reduced to 117;*
> security is contracted to a private company.*
> The following progression illustrates the result
through World War II:
>
> 1930 pop.: 680
>
> 1940 pop.: 1,009
>
> 1944 pop.: 13,000
>
> 1950 pop.: 1,861
>
> With more than 7,000 armed forces and civilian workers
at the arsenal
> during the war, Hawthorne was the busiest Nevada
boomtown in a generation.
> By 1950 nearly 2,500 people still lived in government
housing at nearby
> Babbitt, but even as the Korean War broke out, the boom
was over. Growth
> since has been slow, and today the ammunition depot
plays a diminishing
> role in Hawthorne’s economy, although its bunkers
still pimple the desert
> as they have for more than 75 years. The Gulf War
brought more good times
> to Hawthorne, and the base now under civilian
management is bulging more
> than ever with munitions.
>
> In 1984, after nearly 50 years without a major mishap,
one of the storage
> bunkers exploded. The blast was contained as intended,
blowing up instead
> of out, and the deeply feared chain-reaction causing
immense damage and
> loss of life did not occur. In the early 1990s a bunker
detonated for no
> discernible cause, unless it was provoked by a
lightning storm the previous
> day.
> ****************************** *****
> The depot began its existence as the Hawthorne Naval
Ammunition Depot
> (NAD).
> The *Hawthorne Army Depot* is a huge ammunition storage
site located near
> the town of Hawthorne in western Nevada in the United
States. It is
> directly south of Walker Lake. The depot covers 147,000
acres (595 km), and
> has 600,000 square feet (55,700 m) of floor space in
2,427 storage bunkers.
> It is said to be the largest such facility in the
world. * The depot is
> run by an independent contractor under an agreement
with the government.
> Security is contracted to a private company.*
> In May 2005, the facility was included on the 2005 Base
Realignment and
> Closure list, with closure being recommended. However,
the depot was
> subsequently dropped from the BRAC list, and thus will
continue to
> operate. In 1998-1999, the facility was used to
destroy the U.S. stockpile
> of M687 chemical artillery shells
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
M687_chemical_artillery_shell> and separate
> from them their 505 tons (458 metric tons) of binary
precursor chemicals.
> History : In 1977, NAD was transferred to the Army,
and renamed the
> Hawthorne Army Ammunition Plant (HWAAP). In 1980, HWAAP
was redesignated as
> a government-owned contractor-operated facility. Day
& Zimmermann Hawthorne
> Corporation (DZHC) is the current operating contractor.
In 1994, the
> facility received its current name of the Hawthorne
Army Depot (HWAD).
> ********************* http://www.globalsecurity.org/
> military/facility/hawthorne. htm
> HWAD claims to be the “Worlds Largest Depot” and is
the largest industrial
> activity in the state of Nevada.
> Hawthorne Army Depot is located in the west central
part of Nevada close
> to the California state line. It is approximately two
hours southeast of
> Reno on US Highway 95. The facility’s area 147,000
Acres (Leased/Owned) and
> ..6M Sq. Ft. Floor Space. Facilities include 178
Buildings and 2,427
> Igloos.
> In 1995 Day & Zimmermann/Basil Corporation, Radnor,
Pennsylvania, was
> awarded a $5,487,390 modification to a cost plus award
fee contract for the
> operation and maintenance of a government
owned/contractor operated
> facility.
> *************** Why would we want a submarine base in
Nevada ?
> This map might help: http://img72.imageshack.us/
img72/1479/
> flyingmranchatsauy1.png
>
> A big enough lake and possible under water entrance
into a lab area. NUWC
> stands for Naval Under Water Command on the map.
> ****************** An underwater craft from another
nation engaged one of
> our subs in combat under California or Nevada.
> *Babbitt* was a government housing facility in Mineral
County, Nevada,
> United States. It was established in 1941.
> Babbitt was named for the 2nd Commander of NAD
Hawthorne, H.S. Babbitt....
> During its existence, Babbitt was assigned the ZIP code
of 89416.
> **********************
> Per John Lear: the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in
Hawthorne Nevada
> access the West Coast using underground elevators and
train.
> John also spoke of a vast underground train and tunnel
system used by the
> Military.
> Do these tunnels connect to the NIDS Ranch in the Uinta
Basin in NE Utah
> and to Dulce New Mexico?
> *The Ranch and Hawthorne can be connected by a direct
line heading NNE
> from Hawthorne to the Ranch.*
> Dulce forms a lower point of a Triangle SSE from
Uinta Basin and SE from
> Hawthorne.
> (Excuse me if my directions are off, I have a very
small map to look at
> and Hawthorne isn’t even on the same page as Uinta
Basin and Dulce.
> Is it possible that these three areas are part of the
underground
> tunnel/train/waterway Network ?
> I believe the Navy and possible Naval activity was
mentioned in info about
> the unexplained phenom at the NIDS Ranch. Certainly
similar unexplained
> activities have occurred near Dulce and the Uinta
Basin. (Also prob in the
> whole SW region) Have similar unexplained phenomena
occurred near
> Hawthorne?
> **************************
> *Navy* *Submarine* Base Under the *Nevada* Desert ?
> Topic started on *1-9-2007* @ 01:29 AM by JOHN LEAR
:
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
forum/thread300230/pg1
>
> Over the past 20 years I have heard stories of a huge
U.S. Navy submarine
> base under the desert in Hawthorne Nevada.
>
> During that time I have driven from Las Vegas to Reno
many times and was
> always intrigued at the guard gate and sign just before
entering the town
> of Hawthorne. (Hawthorne is about 5 hours drive from
Las Vegas and about
> two and a half hours drive from Reno.)
>
> It used to read “Naval Undersea Warfare Training
Center”.. Today it reads
> “Naval Undersea Warfare Center”. They must have
made the change in the past
> year or so. Maybe longer.
>
> Hawthorne Nevada is a U.S. ArmyDepot where ammunition
is made, tested and
> stored. Endless rows of ammunition bunkers dot both
sides of the road.
>
> Just to the north of Hawthorne is Walker Lake. The East
Walker river
> drains into it and over the past 20 years has become
shallower and
> shallower. The lake is about 18 miles long and about 8
miles wide the
> longer axis running north and south.
>
> It can’t be very deep. I am not good at judging lake
depths, maybe 100
> feet? 150 feet? Certainly wouldn’t seem deep enough
for a Ohio, Virginia,
> Seawolf,Los Angeles. Maybe that little nuclear powered
Fast Attack Sub.... But
> I know nothing about submarines.
>
> And the lake itself certainly wouldn’t be big enough
or deep enough to
> train for Undersea Warfare. Or so it would seem.
>
> There are stories that California and Nevada sit on a
shelf underneath
> which lies on an eastern portion of the Pacific Ocean.
Maybe the Pacific
> Ocean extends under that shelf to Hawthorne Nevada (and
even further?)....
>
> Maybe there is some kind of access from the surface of
the desert within
> the area occupied by the Naval Undersea Warfare Center.
And maybe if you go
> deep enough there is a huge part of the Pacific Ocean
in which the Navy
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> conducts Undersea
> Warfare training.
>
> Impossible? Improbable? So it would seem.
>
> But let’s assume that it might be true. There would
have to be a route
> from the Pacific Ocean to Hawthorne. If we take a set
of dividers and place
> one end at Hawthorne Nevada and place the other end at
the closest portion
> of the Pacific Ocean we would find that it is in
Monterey Bay, just south
> of San Francisco. Just north of Fort Ord.
>
> The distance is roughly about 212 statute miles.
>
> Now let’s also assume that there is traffic both to
and from Monterey Bay
> and Hawthorne Nevada. We would probably have to have to
separate channels,
> one for each direction of travel. If it’s a sea how
can we separate these
> channels? I don’t know.
>
> Below is a chart on which I have drawn two lines
representing these
> channels between Monterey Bay and Hawthorne. If a
submarine where to make
> 33 knots the trip would take about five and a half
hours.
> ****************************** ******
> The Underground Empire
> ( Branton — File No. 008 )
>
> In March of 1980, John J. Williams, a New Mexico
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> “Patriot” who
> published the anti-Communist oriented “REBEL
MAGAZINE” (at the time
> available from: Consumertronics Co., c/o John J.
Williams. Pres., 2011
> Crescent Dr., P.O. Drawer 537., Alamogardo, NM 88310)
revealed some
> incredible details on an alleged subterranean system
which the Navy had
> been exploring below the western United States. The
report appeared in
> issue No. 6 of his magazine, and was later reproduced
in the Fall, 1985
> (#164) issue of SEARCH Magazine, at the time edited by
Marjorie Palmer,
> widow of the late Ray Palmer.
>
> The article, titled ‘CALIFORNIA FLOATS ON OCEAN?’,
revealed the following:
>
> “Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> interview-show
> briefly mention that parts of California and
neighboring states are
> floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking
Naval officer on a
> top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is)
exploring and mapping
> these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the
West for over 10
> years now.
>
> “A friend of mine finally tracked the man down. He is
now living quietly
> in retirement <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and
> asked that no details pointing to him be revealed as he
does not want
> publicity and government attention. After writing this
article, I destroyed
> my files on him. This is his story…”
>
> Williams explains that not “all” of the areas in
question are actually
> “resting” or “floating” on the ocean, however
there are allegedly many
> subterranean cavities
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> below the western
> U.S., and they are not limited to California, and many
of them consist of
> very large water-filled aqua-systems. These have been
explored via nuclear
> submarines to several hundred miles inland,
particularly in the region of
> southern California and the southern Oregon –
northern California
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> area. Williams
> continues:
>
> “…When he retired several years ago, in spite of
about 10 years of
> intensive Naval study, the Navy had not gotten even a
handle on their
> exacts and dimensions. Today, the story may be
different.
>
> “He makes the following statements from his
observations:
>
> “1. The passageways are labyrinthine with widths from
a few to thousands
> of feet (caverns), averaging roughly about a 100
feet.
>
> “2. Much like dry caverns do, heights
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> and depths vary a
> great deal and in some cases, two or more caverns or
passageways pass over
> or under each other at different depths.
>
> “3. Most of the entrances lie just off the
Continental Shelf (ie.. or
> rather, WITHIN the lower slopes/cliffs of the
Continental Shelf – Branton).
>
> “4. Most of the entrances are too small for submarine
investigation; and
> many that are large enough lie in waters that are too
deep.
>
> “5. Some of the caverns (in S. California) are topped
with oil while some
> others are filled with gases believed to approximate
our atmosphere (in
> very ancient times).
>
> “6. The San Joaquin Valley is essentially a portion
of the original
> cavernous area that collapsed eons
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> ago due to it’s
> sheer weight.
>
> “7. What is being passed off as the ‘San Andreas
Fault’ are large,
> unsupported chambers that are in the process of
collapsing. When the BIG
> ONE finally hits, many scientists in the know believe
that most of
> California will break off like a cold Hershey bar and
slide into the ocean!
> (it is postulated by some that an ancient land-mass
which some believe may
> have been connected to what is now California, broke
off and sunk into the
> ocean during an ancient cataclysm – Branton)
>
> “8. (We are deleting this section due to the
possibility of undue stress
> and fear which may result from it’s disclosure. Also,
because of recent
> international events which may have resulted in a
solution to this problem.
> We will merely state that it involves a scenario
similar to that which was
> portrayed in a James Bond
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> movie, and which
> concerned underground caverns, silicon valley, nuclear
weapons, and the San
> Andreas fault – Branton).
>
> “9. A WELL-KNOWN U.S. nuclear submarine lost its way
in these passages and
> disappeared forever. It was reported to have been lost
IN OPEN SEA
> ELSEWHERE to keep the American people in total
ignorance and to justify an
> enormous pay-off to an eccentric U.S. billionaire (who
died in recent
> years) for providing the fictitious “recovery”
effort. “I have no reason to
> doubt the man. I can’t tell for sure whether or not
these caverns and
> passageways exist or to their extents. The story does
sound a bit fantastic
> but I have no reason to doubt the man. I have seen
copies of documentation
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> that at least
> prove that he was a high ranking Naval officer (nuclear
submarine duty) and
> a distinguished scientist. In fact, his scientific
background and
> reputation are impeccable. He definitely cannot be
labeled as a crackpot,
> lunatic or publicity-seeker. I would very much like
more information on
> this topic…”
>
> After further inquiries to Mr. Williams on the part of
‘inner earth’
> researchers, Williams responded with the following when
asked whether or
> not he had received any replies to his request for more
information about
> the alleged passageways below California:“Since
publishing our article on
> the vast cavern network
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> under much of
> California, we have received many responses and
inquiries. Some of these
> responses appear to be knowledgeable sources. Note that
the material sent
> to us for this article was written by someone of very
high repute whose
> credentials I personally checked out.
>
> “Due to an agreement with him, I cannot reveal his
identity. One response
> was from a retired (conventional submarine duty? –
Branton) submarine
> commander, who according to him, spent many years in
the waters off
> California. He stated that the caverns do NOT exist.
>
> “Another response was from an anonymous person who
cited unpublished oil
> company seismographical data
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and stated,
> ‘Although most of the caverns you depict in your
drawing are smaller,
> larger or located somewhat differently than the actual
caverns, you are
> essentially correct… My information is more
up-to-date than what you
> apparently relied upon.’ He (or she) did not supply
any maps to pin down
> our differences, just some written descriptions.
However, some
> knowledgeable person could probably deduce his (or her)
overall ‘map’ from
> the voluminous seismographical data sent.. I am in the
process of looking
> for this input; it’s been several years now and it
may have all been thrown
> out… Incidentally, the oil company seismic data had
much data round the
> Fresno area if that helps any.
>
> “One incident which tends to confirm the fact that
California is in fact
> floating on the ocean was a story which made the
headlines in recent years.
>
> “This incident involved an oil discovery beneath Long
Beach, California.
> When oil companies began pumping oil out of the ground
beneath Long Beach
> it was soon learned that the entire city BEGAN SINKING
INTO THE OCEAN!
>
> “It sank up to 26 feet and dikes had to be built to
keep out the water.
> The problem is (temporarily) being rectified by
‘water injection’–i.e.
> pumping an equivalent amount of WATER into the ground
to the amount of oil
> and water taken out, in order to keep the city
AFLOAT!”
>
> One thing which may be of interest in connection with
Mr. Williams’
> account was a statement which was made by a prominent
California Bigfoot
> investigator by the name of Virginia Louise Swanson,
who has done a good
> deal <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of study on
> caves and their connections to the Bigfoot phenomena.
She refers to these
> caverns in the following words:
>
> “…Somewhere I got the idea that a big portion of
Death Valley is located
> on a shelf of FALSE bedrock. A certain type of
earthquake would collapse
> all of it down to an enormous series of caverns that
would open up into
> another Grand Canyon
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>.”
>
> According to our knowledge, the only nuclear submarines
ever to disappear
> under mysterious circumstances were the U.S.S THRESHER
and the U.S.S.
> SCORPION. It is uncertain whether the retired Navy
Officer who John J.
> Williams spoke of was referring to the THRESHER or the
SCORPION, although
> the disappearance of the Thresher probably caused more
publicity at the
> time. The Thresher was the LEAD SHIP or ‘Flag’ ship
in the world’s most
> advanced class of nuclear attack submarines. She was
designed to operate
> deeper and more silently than any of her predecessors
and was also endowed
> with significant advances in sonar equipment, in noise
reduction
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, and in
> fire-control. All in all, she was the most advanced
international submarine
> in the world at the time of her disappearance and would
have been an ideal
> choice for a top-secret mission such as the exploration
of the caverns
> mentioned by John Williams’ source.
>
> On April 10, 1963 (according to official reports) the
Thresher, under the
> command of Lt. Commander John W. Harvey
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, USN, with a
> total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian
technicians, and
> observers) disappeared without explanation. NOT A
SINGLE TRACE or clue as
> to the fate of the craft, or it’s occupants, were
ever recovered: no oil
> slicks, radiation, floating debris, or similar signs of
wreckage were ever
> seen. It is interesting to note that almost all of the
reports at the time
> stated the ship had “disappeared,” or was
“lost,” not “sunk!” One woman
> whose husband was on the ill-fated ship reported her
belief that her
> husband was still ALIVE! Theologically speaking, the
possibility of a
> long-distance <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>
> connection or “communion” on a deep, emotional
level between a husband and
> a wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm
of the occult or
> “psychic” phenomena. Many religions believe that
the very spiritual natures
> of a husband and a wife are united upon the
consummation of a marriage, and
> thus they become, as Christian teachings say, “one
flesh”.
>
> The actual words of this woman, who was interviewed by
Will Carson and
> Jeannie Joy — two writers
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> devoted to
> pursuing strange events — shortly after the Thresher
incident, were as
> follows:
>
> “My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it
disappeared. I don’t
> consider myself a widow. I don’t believe my husband
is dead. No, it’s not a
> matter of just not being able to believe it, to accept
reality; I just
> can’t get over the conviction that he’s still alive
somewhere. I love my
> husband very much. I know he loved–loves me. We were
very close. We could
> always tell when something was wrong with each other.
Intuition, I guess. I
> should have felt something the instant there was
trouble, if he was really
> in serious trouble and knew it–a matter of life and
death–but I didn’t.”
>
> “What do you believe really happened?” Carson and
Joy asked the attractive
> young woman.
>
> “Most people think I’m crazy when I say this, but I
believe the Thresher
> was captured.”
>
> “By whom?”
>
> “I can’t say for sure, but there WAS a Russian
submarine spotted near
> there that day (…that is, near where it REPORTEDLY
vanished 220 miles off
> Boston <http://www.csp.navy.mil/
othboats/593.htm> harbor — so either the
> Thresher DID sink there, off Boston harbor… OR the
government created an
> elaborate ‘cover story’ of it sinking off the east
coast when in fact it
> went through the Panama
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> canal and disappeared near the west coast, or BENEATH
the west coast… or,
> IF the Thresher did disappear off of Boston harbor,
then the nuclear sub
> that disappered in the aqua-caves of California may
have been yet another –
> possibly top secret – submarine. Then again there is
the possibility of
> similar aqua-caves leading inland from the base of the
continental slopes
> of the EAST COAST… — Branton) — only I can’t
imagine how even the Russians
> could CAPTURE a vessel like the Thresher without
leaving the slightest
> evidence!”
>
> The following account, concerning an area just east of
BISHOP (OWENS
> VALLEY), CALIFORNIA, was related by Val Valerian in his
‘LEADING EDGE’
> Newsletter <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#>, Dec.
> 1989 – Jan. 1990 issue. The article, titled: ‘DEEP
SPRING’S, CALIFORNIA’,
> stated: “Deep Springs, California is an area that is
becoming known as the
> site for very strange events. According to the
information released both on
> the air on KVEG-AM and from other sources, the area is
full of strange
> people wandering around in black suits. There have also
been rumors that
> there is an underground facility in the area. Checking
with gravity anomaly
> maps proved that there are large cavities under the
ground in that area.
> The wildest claims relative to the area have stated
that alien lifeforms
> are being released there… Deep Springs Lake has been
probed and it appears
> bottomless. Divers have traveled along an underground
river 27 miles toward
> the Las Vegas area before having to turn around.”
(This ‘river’ would
> probably have been a ‘partially’ water-filled cave
with a large stream or
> river flowing through it, rather than an entirely
underwater passage, since
> 27 miles would undoubtedly be entirely out of the
question if it were all
> underwater travel, with present diving technology –
Branton).
> ****************************** **
> Back to John Lear :
> Last Tuesday I drove from Reno to Las Vegas after
attending the Bay Area
> UFO Expo. As I drove through Hawthorne I came upon the
entrance to the
> Naval Undersea Warfare Center which is on the north
side of the road I
> pulled over to the right and took out my camera
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> to get a picture
> of the sign. As I rolled down the window and lifted my
camera I heard a
> bunch of shouting and guards waving their arms from the
guard shack.
>
> I pulled across the road to the entrance just short of
the shack a lady in
> Army uniform came over and told me I couldn’t take
pictures.. I mentioned
> to her that I was just going to take a picture of the
sign which was less
> than ten feet from the highway. She told me I
couldn’t take pictures
> anywhere around there.
>
> I asked her if I could sign up for a tour. She
responded vehemently in the
> negative. She then advised me that she should call the
Military
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> Police to
> confiscate my camera. I told her that I hadn’t had
time to take a picture
> and that I was just happened to be leaving at that
moment. She waved me to
> turn around and jotted down my car license number. I
was going to ask her
> if there were any submarines parked underground but she
was Army and I
> figured she probably wouldn’t have known.
>
> So. What do you think? Is there a vast underground sea
under California
> and Nevada with tributary rivers running in various
directions? Maybe one
> that goes to Las Vegas?
>
> Is there a possibility that the Navy does operate
submarines from Monterey
> Bay via an underground sea which extends underneath the
San Joaquin Valley,
> then under the Sierra Nevada mountain range to a Naval
Undersea Warfare
> Center deep below the Nevada desert in Hawthorne
Nevada?
>
> Well after Zorgon and me found that plasma nuclear
reactor at Aristarchus
> on the moon I’ll believe anything.
> ****************************** ****
> AREA #51 connected to Hawthorne ?
> It was the recollection of a former worker at the
NTS that “an awful
> lot of drilling” was done in Area 19, but relatively
few Nuclear blasts. He
> says there was a story released that the drillers hit
an underground lake
> as a result the NTS was not able to fully utilize the
area.
> ****************************** ************
> Ubehebe Crater, Death Valley National Park
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg10#>
>
> Ubehebe Crater system contains several volcanic
craters, cinder cones and
> ash hills, all relics from an explosive steam eruption
about 2,000 years
> ago, when rising magma met an underground lake.
> http://www.americansouthwest.
net/california/death_valley/
> ubehebe_crater.html
> ****************************** ****
> So are any of you going to try and explain the fact
that the area is
> approximately 3960 feet above sea level yet maintains
its water level?
> John Lear responds : “I would speculate that there
are elevators that go
> down 3960 feet to the level of the sea. Elevators that
go far deeper have
> been reported around the Edwards Air Force Base area,
the Nevada Test Site
> and Dulce so it is certainly not a technical issue.
Thanks for the post.”
> ****************************** ******Another Post from
John Lear :
> WOW! Antar you just blew my mind! Yes. Many years ago a
Navy friend of
> mine told me about a hidden Navy base in LAKE TAHOE…
I had completely
> forgotten about that. He also told me about the
“TUBES”, the Navy
> underground transportation system. He told me that the
techs that worked in
> the tubes were called “tubemoles”. Thanks for the
memory jog!
> ************************
> Post by PWEAGLE :
> I remember going to the Grand Canyon caverns last
year and they said it
> ran some 20 mile to Grand Canyon the Colorado. I sure
there are many
> cavities dotting the desert floor, possibly leading to
one another in a
> vast wedding <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg1#> of
> underground channels.
> I just can’t help to think that there all
connected.
>
> I’m here in Laughlin area and frequently drive back
home to the high
> desert from the high desert, lol. Driving on interstate
40 I can’t help but
> wonder how many undiscovered holes there are in the
desert. There
> Mitchell’s caverns but those are small but whose to
say that a little bit
> of dynamite couldn’t open it up to something even
bigger. Its a big desert
> with many possibilities.
>
> I wouldn’t dough the possibility of 200 mile+
underground river and
> channels.
> Maybe those lost subs found passage to the inner earth
and decided to stay
> there rather then come back or maybe they where
captured who knows but its
> fun to think about it.
>
> Time to Google map some of these places and see if
there’s any strange
> things going on. Thanks john
> ****************************** **
> I’ve heard of saline lakes in California, Mono lake
comes to mind :
> ****************************** ***
> Topic started on *17-3-2007* @ 11:23 AM by
allMIGHTY
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
forum/thread273017/pg1
> I’m proud to show you a very cool sign of one of
the biggest underground
> bases that you ever seen before.
>
> I searched the forum before and there was no match for
it. If so, then sry
> for posting.
>
> I found a sign with Google Earth
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> for a very huge
> underground base that could have the size of about 12 x
6 kilometers in the
> north of the
> China Lake Naval Weapons base.
>
> There is a earthquake
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread273017/pg1#>- pattern of which
> the most occured in the year
> 1982/83. I really think they where underground
detonations for
> creating a huge underground installation.
> GO TO : http://img129.imageshack.us/
img129/4096/base02oo2.th.jpg
> the coordinates are 35-41’6.16″N –
117-41’35.12″W
> at the China <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread273017/pg1#> Lake
> Naval Base. The earthquake pattern is directly in
the
> upper left beneath the base.
> ****************************** *********
> Well, it looks like there may be something to it after
all.
>
> *Navy Sets Up New Facility For Tunnel-Warfare Training*
: http://www.
> nationaldefensemagazine.org/
issues/2002/Nov/Navy_Sets_Up. htm
>
>
> Using the abandoned mines at China Lake, U.S. units can
learn how to
> operate in such environments, Manofsky said.
> “Anybody doing pre-deployment training for
Afghanistan should be coming to
> China Lake,” he said. “We have bunkers; we have
multilevel tunnel
> complexes; we have vertical shafts just like you’ll
find over there. Some
> of them look exactly like Afghan aqueducts.”
> Three of the tunnel locations are fully instrumented
with weather stations
> and environmental sensing equipment inside and outside.
“Once a month,
> our reservists go out and do a data sweep,” Manofsky
said. The tunnels are
> so spread out that the job takes a full day. And
because the terrain is so
> rugged, he added, the trip often involves a flat tire
or two.
> ***********************
> reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 10:59 PM by MountainStar
> Mr. Lear
> Don’t know if this is relevant or not…..” The
Devils Hole water level
> reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a
connection with a
> massive underground sea below.” I know people have
disappeared while
> exploring Devil’s Hole. Never to be found. Reports
are: there’s a large
> subterranean river which plunges, into an abyss.
Wonder’s how many
> disappeared, before it was fenced off? We plan on going
to Devils Hole when
> the weather gets a little cooler. I’ll try and get
some good photo’s. If we
> run across a Park Ranger maybe he/she will answer a few
questions or Not
> ****************************** ****************
> John Lear : I know that there was a secret NAVY base at
Lake Tahoe, at
> least there was in 1983. Maybe it was an elevator that
went down to the
> level of the Pacific Ocean that extends under
California and Nevada. Maybe
> there is a similar facility at Pyramid Lake. There is
definately one at
> Walker Lake. Maybe, for some reason, the Navy uses that
underground ocean
> (actually its not an ‘underground ocean’ its the
same level as the rest of
> the Pacific, it is the land that is ‘above water’
so to speak) to travel
> around.
>
> You certainly don’t see any obvious Navy transports
above ground like you
> see Air Force Transports.
> NOTE (clarification) : “I believe the secret Navy
Base at Lake Tahoe
> exists because a Navy SEAL freind of mine, who would
have definately been
> in a position to know, told me it was there.
> *******************
> There are 2 routes from Monterey Bay south of San
Francisco
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg8#> to the
submarine
> base under Hawthorne. I believe one is used for each
direction, one going
> in and one coming out. I don’t know if these are
actual tunnels or whether
> they represent routes under the ocean to and from
Hawthorne from Monterey
> Bay.
> *****************************
> Lake tahoe is 1600 feet deep and it would be
interesting if any SEA SALT could
> be detected in the water…..
> NOTE : Unlikely. Lake Tahoe is 6200 ft. above mean sea
level. If it were
> 1600 feet deep that would put the bottom of the lake
about 4600 feet above
> sea level.
> ****************************** ******
> Gotrox :
> I wonder about the Moho discontinuity—-an area below
the surface that
> seems to deflect/bend seismic Waves in a way that
geologists and
> seismologists haven’t really been able to explain. It
is found throughout
> the vast majority of the planet. Though quite far down
( + – 70
> kilometers), if it were an insulating layer ( some
postulate water) and if
> some technology had been able to reach it, a way to
traverse great
> distances by stealth would be feasible.
> I would post links, but it is all over the place, and I
find it much
> better to do your own searching and reach your own
conclusions.
> Just type “moho discontinuity” into any search
engine.
> *****************************
> As far as the “tubes” go, John, I have no doubt
they exist, courtesy of
> nuclear tunnel boring machines that leave glass walls
in their wake. I
> didn’t know they were Navy, though now you mention
it, it makes sense.
> Underground Oceans
>
> Very interesting John. Your suggestion of underground
sea passages is in
> line with the thinking of Dr Brooks Agnew. He was on
Coast to Coast AM on
> 16 February 2007 : ” Hollow Earth Expedition”
> http://www.ourhollowearth.com/
VoyagetoHollowEarth.htm
>
> ****************************** ********
> Reply posted on 16-9-2007 @ 07:38 PM by “ZORGON”
>
> One of the points made particularly in THIS thread is
about the
> underground TUBES The high speed transit tubes. Now I
saw someone mention
> about the Nuclear powered TBM’s that melt rock…
>
> Well you don’t believe John…
> So
>
> Would you believe Rand Corporation documents from
1972?
>
> Would you believe Department of Defense documents that
back up
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> the Rand
> Corporation?
>
> Would you believe Patents filed by Los Alamos National
Laboratory and the
> Department of Energy for three Atomic TBM’s? In
1972?
>
> Would you believe people are so blind that they still
don’t get it even
> when its REPORTED in the LA Times in 1972?
>
> Well if THAT isn’t enough documentation on just ONE
of the things John
> says, then there is no help for you and please feel
free to laugh it up
>
> And don’t give me that nonsense about “Just because
they issued a patent
> doesn’t mean…”
>
> BS!!! Just pick up the phone and call the DOE or Los
Alamos… just be
> prepared to answer WHY you want to know
>
> The documents are all here… if your afraid the site
will bite… too bad…
> its where I store all the data
> <http://www.abovetopsecret.
com/forum/thread300230/pg9#> and can organize
> it at MY expense and not use other peoples band
width
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
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