Dean,
I have yet to pick up the book Ethidorpha yet. I want to get the best copy.
Which route do you recommend I take? I know, it's about time I got it....
MM
MM,
I ordered mine from www.biblio.com off the internet. There are a variety of listings. Once I found one for 2.50, but unfortunately my computer crashed before confirmation. The one I bought I paid about $14 for both book and shipping. 1976 publishing date, paperback in excellent condition, includes first & second preface plus the introduction, and illustrations.
Leslee
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`Dean,
I have yet to pick up the book Ethidorpha yet. I want to get the best copy. Which route do you recommend I take? I know, it's about time I got it....
MM
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I ordered mine from www.biblio.com off the internet. There are a variety of listings. Once I found one for 2.50, but unfortunately my computer crashed before confirmation. The one I bought I paid about $14 for both book and shipping. 1976 publishing date, paperback in excellent condition, includes first & second preface plus the introduction, and illustrations.
Leslee
Mike Maloney,
Leslee's got it- the best place is bibliofind. I paid about $12 for the same paperback edition that she has.
I also got an 1895 printing for $35. I used the 1895 one for the site, the pages are big and so is theprint, at least when compared to the paperback.
DD
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I also got an 1895 printing for $35. I used the 1895 one for the site, the pages are big and so is theprint, at least when compared to the paperback.
Dean,
Wow--106 years old. What a find. I love old books! I saw one or two listed in the hundreds for the older, and probably first editions. But, 35 bucks--I would have snapped that up in a heartbeat?
How was Mars tonight?
Till Morning, Leslee
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How was Mars tonight?
Till Morning, Leslee
Leslee,
I set up with clouds on the horizon, and I barely observed for three minutes before Ihad to take it all down. This is how it always goes with amateur astronomy, you make plans, but a lot depends on luck.
Oh well,next ime.
DD
Dean, I got my copy through ABEbooks (http://www.abebooks.com). There were
literally hundreds to choose from. Mine cost $6.00 US ($7.60US with
shipping). This is where I get all of my books. I got this reference from
Jane on Jan Lamprechts list and I have obtained MANY out of print books for
a very reasonable prices there.
Will "Argyll" Rhea
Dick,
The Puranic literature presents the Rama civilization as being cyclic, on
this planet, and wherever. It is presented as a civilization implanted and
fostered by celestial beings, whose range of time, of course, is
differentfrom ours.
Dharma/Dean
Dick wrote:
P.S. The NAGAS (Naacal Priests) were NOT serpent worshippers as some
continue to write. The serpent was only a SYMBOL for the Creator in action.
Also, in that recent email piece, Childress wrote that the Indian RAMA
civilization dates back 15,000 years. Even so, Dean, you seem to suggest the
Indo Europeans (Aryans?) may have arrived much earlier. 15,000 years back?
Not 2,000 to 3,000 years back? That's a real stretch.
You probably DIDN'T thoroughly read (or read much at all in) those two
Churchward "Children of MU" historical chapters (India and the great Uighur
Empire) I sent earlier by email. Like Childress about the RAMAs 15,000 ago,
Churchward wrote of India's advanced civilizations 25,000 years back. And
what he termed "Hindu" literature dated back long before the Uighur (Aryan)
remnants arrived after departing the mountains for the plains of India and
other areas. The Medes and Persians were also OTHER (Aryan) separated Uighur
mountain remnants that came down from the mountains in different areas,
according to Churchward... none of them out of a hole in the north pole.
There may be a populated hollow earth, but it appears quite unlikely that
was where the Aryans came from, in my opinion.
From:
H. Wm. Rhea III
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Purchasing Etidorhpa
Will wrote:
<Dean, I got my copy through ABEbooks (http://www.abebooks.com)..) There wereliterally hundreds to choose from. Mine cost $6.00 US ($7.60US with
shipping). This is where I get all of my books. I got this reference fromJane on Jan Lamprechts list and I have obtained MANY out of print books for a very reasonable prices there.>
Hi Will "Argyll" Rhea--
What a buy! Did you by off hand notice if they carry any of James Churchward's book on MU? Since Dick quotes quite a bit from his books I would love to find some of his work?
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Members,
A map called Polar Basin is attached, which depicts the opening.
I have to admit that a conversation with Will Rhea first started me thinking
that the opening might stretch more towards Canada.
Dharma/Dean
The Polar basin map in Windows format.
DD
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Purchasing other books?
`Leslee Wrote:
`What a buy! Did you by off hand notice if they carry any of James Churchward's book on MU? Since Dick quotes quite a bit from his books I would love to find some of his work?
Will "Argyll" Rhea replies:
Lelee, I did not. I bought my copy a few years ago. I do not in general buy things about UFO's or Atlantis, etc... But I would be willing to bet they do have it because they are linked to thousands of little corner book stores all around the country (and world).
Good Luck
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Purchasing other books?
Arctic Native People Pay Sever Preice with Now-Toxic Food Chain
http://www.rense.com/general10/nont.htm
DD
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Purchasing other books?
Members,
Vertical movement can be understood by the idea of cutting a cantalope in slices. If you push down on one slice, another one pops up in response.
In Etipdorhpa, it is explained that cavern cavities contain soft particle atmospheres which are similar in frequency to the gravity-inducing frequency without being gravity-inducing radiation. but they aresimilar enough to block the penetration of the gravity-inducing radiation. In this way giant caverns exist, and huge continents can be sustained above them. The Guide explains to The Man about a parallel " lake " 150 miles beneath the ocean " which covers an area of many thousands of square miles, and which has an average depth of five miles." He explains that " part of the water of the ocean is being transferred through this stratum [ intervening stratum above ] to the underground cavity [ lake ]."
I wonder- if a different frequency were introduced in a cavern below, could this induce a cavern to collapse and sink the land mass above it? Maybe this happened below what is now the Pacific, and maybe it happened in the Gulf of Mexico. This would explain archaeological artifacts on the ocean floors. This could even be done artificially by an enemy culture. I'm just wondering at this point, but learn Etidorhpa.
Dick,
I'm curious. What is Churchward's take on vertical plate movement? It seems that if the continent of Mu sank, then vertical movement might have been involved. Of course, it can probably be justified through continental drift. Both theories, for example, could account for marine fossils high in the Andes.
Later,
Dharma/Dean
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Purchasing other books?
Members,
I have just culled this quote from Sadek Adams' book Hollow Earth Authentic.
" Reed also mentions Peary saying ' The black cliffs peer up over the ice cap", ' again indicating a sloping horizon." The significance is that the horizon drops off quickly and the spur of land beyond and behind it sticks up above.
Peary was over on Ellesmere Island, or thereabouts, when he said that. On the opposite side of the Polar basin, Nansen experienced similar curvature anomalies above the New Siberian Islands. This suggests that the opening stretches in an oblong fashion from above the New Siberian Islands over towards Elizabeth Island. I mention Elizabeth Island because that is where the North magnetic pole is, i.e., a flow of intense magnetic lines of force emanating from the opening. The opening would follow a line similar to the one indicated in the mag lines drawing above, attached.
I'll have to adjust the map on my polar pages, the red dot is toolocalized.
Dharma/Dean
All I got was jibberish. Is there another way you can send this?
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Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 11:21 AM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] The Polar basin map
` The Polar basin map in Windows format.
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It's just the same map as always with the red dot, it's just that I have replaced the red do for a green oval which is more representative, I think. http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/
Scroll down to the middle of the page.
Dean
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From:
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To: [email protected]
Sent:
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`Members,
<A map called Polar Basin is attached, which depicts the opening.
I have to admit that a conversation with Will Rhea first started me thinking
that the opening might stretch more towards Canada.>`
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Dean-
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What a great map--now, between Will and yourself, you have the location of the opening. This is the best map I have seen so far.
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Thanks for sending this article. It is a subject I am keeping track of worldwide. What a shame, that even traveling to the farthest reaches of this planet, we are unable to find anything clean and pure anymore. We have succeeded in poisoning ourselves. Do you think the HE is any cleaner by today's account? Leslee
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Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Arctic Native People
Arctic Native People Pay Sever Preice with Now-Toxic Food Chain
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Re: [allplanets-hollow] Vertical plate
movement
(Dean wrote)
Dick,
I'm curious. What is
Churchward's take on vertical plate movement? It seems that if the
continent of Mu sank, then vertical movement might have been
involved. Of course, it can probably be justified through continental
drift. Both theories, for example, could account for marine fossils
high in the Andes.
Dean.... I find it frustrating. I
read ALL of your posts. But apparently you have read very little of
the voluminous stuff I've sent you priorly that should have answered,
or made unnecessary, your question above. Note the following JPEG
from one of Churchward's "Cosmic Forces of MU" books, showing an
ISOLATED gas chamber upholding land above water level....
MU and Atlantis (Atlantis
probably represented by the JPEG above), Ancient Ceylon, the European
land bridge and other minor areas persisted above water level long
into history. They were areas supported by ISOLATED gas
chambers. By "ISOLATED" is meant the giant gas pockets
upholding them were cut off for many hundreds of thousands of years,
isolated - not being fed ADDITIONAL gases being worked upward by
Earth's centrifugal force. If they had not been "isolated," quite
like all the other gas chambers near Earth's surface, they too would
have long ago become overcompressed and blown out. And there would
have been no Atlantis or MU.
In the above, C is the isolated gas
chamber holding the surface above water. D is a giant GAS BELT forged
laterally many miles deeper. Churchward said the gas belts formed
because many miles deep of the upper crust, over countless millions
of years, had become too solidly compacted and compressed to easily
be vertically punctured by the gases. The blowouts and fall of
chamber roofs over those millions of years had made the upper crust
thickly compacted with all earlier sizeable gas pockets collapsed,
for MANY miles deep. The exception were a few ISOLATED gas
chambers.
E in the above JPEG are additional
lower gas chambers being fed from below and then "feeding" more
gases into the forming GAS BELT (D) above them.
Under enormous pressure, the super
hot gases in a "gas belt" (connected lateral chambers)
will move laterally until they find a WEAK spot in the rocks above
through which they can move upward, puncture the surface (a volcanic
cone) and empty into the atmosphere. The forging of the gas belts
indicated a cessation of chambers being blown out around the Earth
- with the exception of a few isolated ones. ALL earlier
sizeable pockets in the crust had been blown out over millions of
years and the upper crust, for many miles deep, was now thickly
compacted by layers of solid granite and sedimentary rock. When
the forging gas belts opened weak spots or cracks leading into the
ISOLATED chambers, those chambers too became overcompressed, volcanos
opened and they blew out. When the hot gases met oxygen in the
atmosphere they also burst into flames as the chamber roofs
collapsed. With MU, flames ignited skyward around the edges of the
chamber roofs as they collapsed into the (3) gas pockets holding up
MU in the Pacific.
During the period the bulk of the
deeper gas belts were developing (between only 15,000 and 12,000
years past if Churchward was correct) the overcompressed gas belts
moving laterally could only LIFT, but not puncture, the rocks slabs
above them for distances. Those uplifted compacted slabs fell
back together forming "triangles" and stayed upright. They are
our MOUNTAINS and MOUNTAIN RANGES, uplifted between 15,000 and 12,000
years past. The present volcanic craters on top of
mountains, were or are today's ESCAPE VALVES (Safety valves) for new
volumes of gases accumulating in the gas belts. If the walls or roofs
of a belt cave in temporarily blocking the subsequent passage of new
gases, the gases either FORCE through or around - or MELT through
the block. The vibrating shock of that subterranean effort is felt on
the surface. We call it an EARTHQUAKE. I'm afraid the author
of Etidorpha lacked any real knowledge about Volcanos and
Earthquakes. More silly putty.
The simplified JPEG sketch below
should illustrate the general principle how mountains form. Faling
against each other, the rock slabs form an apex at top, OVER the gas
tunnel below. (Darwin noted the similar, approaching
vertical, condition of many of the rock slabs forming the highest
mountains of the Andes)
If Churchward was right about HOW
Earth first began (I'm convinced he was) - and HOW it
subsequently geologically developed - (the blowing out of many
miles deep of upper gas pockets in the primary granite until the
upper granite crust is now solidly compacted), theories of huge,
rubbery "tectonic plates," moving sideways - OR up and down -
like silly putty - or "cantaloupe" - on that theoretical
global "Vaseline" (as my wife calls it) - are IMAGINARY
and without any real geologic PROOFS, in my opinion. Our space
probes have found no indication of such "plates" elsewhere. Isn't
that strange? Even Pratt (in part one of his latest piece), backed up
with evidence, doubts the existence of such "plates."
EXPANDING EARTH?
I'm sorry if this offends, but
after going to the given main URL site in Australia, proposing that
EXPANDING earth theory, I find that theory ridiculous. The
"proofs" given about that theory are not proofs, just their
attempt to "prove" with carefully selected formulas and
equations, THEIR THEORY. Of course their mathematics are meaningless
UNLESS one FIRST accepts their ridiculous concept that the continents
were once ALL jammed together (with a little water around them) on a
TINY (and I mean TINY) little earth!
Go and LOOK at their enlarging
illustrated globes... According to their imaginations,
earth in JURASSIC times was only 1/3rd size of today's earth. But
go EARLIER in time, and they show earth as a tiny globe (yet
fully developed) and (it seems like) about 1/20th of earth's size
today!!!
Their "proofs," thickly
couched in technical terms even Einstein would probably choke on,
"prove" nothing to any reasoning mind. Yet these people seem
serious. Somehow, in their sloppy science fiction imaginations,
they conceive of the earth (somehow first mysteriously formed
earlier in some way they do not understand) gradually INFLATING
like a basketball - over and over and over again - until it has
swollen to the size of our earth today! They have some strange
"metaphysical" explanation for HOW and from WHERE ALL THE
ADDITIONAL MATTER CAME FROM. Challenge them to provide reasonable
PROOFS for their theory! I am and do so again right here. "Tectonic
plates" seems to have MORE "evidence" than anything supporting
an EXPANDING earth fantasy, in my opinion.
I suspect these people find
nothing wrong with Sitchin's concept that, after giant, fully
developed planet, TIAMAT, was busted "INTO HALVES" by passing
Nibiru's moon, one half (mysteriously) "reformed" to become our
planet Earth! Afterall if Sitchin can conceive that with his "silly
putty," why couldn't their "silly putty" then INFLATE as they
conceive?
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Taking Churchward out of context isn't
ideal, but the except below is useful. As well as being (in my
opinion) one of the greatest unrecognized scientists about GEOLOGY...
he was equally one of the greatest about earth's BIOLOGICAL
past. In his eyes Earh's biological past meshes with its
geological past. For example...
CHURCHWARD:
"It is without
doubt appreciated by all scientists, and among most laymen that have
given the subject a thought, that in the beginning there was no
organic matter out of which life could be formed. For eons of time
there was no life on this earth, because all was in a state called
inorganic. It must also be appreciated that it was nature alone that
changed matter from its inorganic state into organic. How was this
done? Nature used her tools - her forces. What is organic
matter? Organic matter is composed of elements out of which the seeds
of life, cosmic eggs, may be formed.
**In the beginning, as the earth's crust
cooled from fusion, it was a single solid rock, too solid, and of too
compact a character, from which to form the seeds of
life.**
The volcanic
gases which had been placed in the granite rock and retained in the
earth's center, broke asunder the outer surfaces of the granite rock,
and lifted them up, and crashed them down, over and over again.
Through these liftings and crashing downs, the rocks were broken up
and pulverized; oxidation, the work of an earthly force, followed,
and was continuous on the surface rocks. These oxidations brought the
elements down to a point, fine enough, where another earthly force
was enabled to combine certain proportions of elementary matter into
an intimate or chemical compound. When these elementary compounds
were brought together, chemically joined, and in such proportions and
percentages one to the other, also being capable of being balanced
by a volume of the life force. Inorganic matter becomes not only
organic matter, but also a seed of life, a cosmic egg.
In this manner nature formed her first life
germs, seeds of life, out of which sprang life
itself.
The life germ of
today was the cosmic egg of the ancients of the earth's first great
civilization." end of excerpt)
**The above is just a
hint, an excerpt out of context**, but may whet some curiosity for
more. But note that in the above he works in HOW the GEOLOGICAL
composition of Earth's crust, led to the surface development of
Earth's first biological life forms. The Life Force is a compound
of many Forces, one being the Heat Force (Earth's own generated
Heat Force, NOT something coming second hand from the
Sun).
Temperature is a gauge of the VOLUME of the Life Force in the
atmosphere, from Archaen times until now.
Here's a law of
Nature you can agree or disagree about. But Churchward claims it is a
law of Nature: The parts and chemical composition (DNA?) of SIMPLE
LIFE FORMS require a large volume of the Life Force to "balance"
their parts into movement. As Earth gradually cooled, the volume
of the Life Force in the atmosphere decreased. The volume of Life
Force (measured by temperature) became too low to "balance" the
chemical parts of the SIMPLER life forms and they gradually died
out.
**NEW life
forms were created from the dead debris, some bearing ONLY a
resemblance to the former.** (not "evolution" which implies
chemical changes in a living organism). Nature also added new
elements which made them MORE COMPLEX, able to be "balanced" by a
lower current of the Life Force.
As the
Earth continued to cool, the Life Force volume lowering in the
atmosphere, less complex forms of life died out (including Carbonic
era dinosaurs)... and were completely replaced by MORE COMPLEX forms.
Jurassic dinosaurs, for example, were MORE COMPLEX chemically than
their Permian predecessors. The volume of Life Force in the
atmosphere of the Carbonic Era was too high to "balance" the
Jurassic dinosaur chemical parts. And the Jurassic atmosphere's Life
Force was too low a volume to "balance" the chemical parts of
Carbonic life forms (like the Dimetrodon and the Mastodonsaurus
Amphibian).
**Currently
Orthodox scientists look at these past seemingly sudden mass "die
offs" of many ancient species and try to EXPLAIN them as
catastrophic METEOR crashes that (several times) wiped out "90% of
all lives."** That's one claim I've heard recently. They
never explain HOW subsequently NEW life developed and entirely
encompassed the world once more, each time.
Note that
the last "die off" of the (then more complex than earlier)
dinosaurs of the late Cretaceous is ALSO "explained" by a
theoretical METEOR crash.
**CHURCHWARD,
disagreeing, wrote that the volume of the Life Force in the
atmosphere became too low to 'balance" the chemical parts,
especially the reproductive fluids, of the Cretaceous dinosaurs**.
To put it simply, THEIR EGGS FAILED TO HATCH. Coupled with
that was the fact that their natural homes, the SWAMPS were emptying
and drying out. The great monstrosities gradually (quickly to
history) died out. It wasn't some silly putty meteor.
**And then
over another immense length of time, MORE COMPLEX life forms began to
appear... the little MAMMALS of the Eocene, when the Life Force
current in the atmosphere became low enough to "balance" their
more complex chemical parts.** Almost all of the Eocene life
started out small, about the size of dogs, with long toes like
today's wading birds to travel over the spongy ground of the Eocene
period. From that point in time, according to Churchward, the Life
Force (and the general temperatures) came into balance. No new life
forms will arise. The Eocene horse, for example is basically the
same today chemically as the modern horse. He has not evolved to
become more complex. Only "modifications" (allowed by Nature)
have occurred, increasing his size and altering his earlier wading
toe feet suited to the soft ground of the Eocene, to the hoof
of today to travel over hard ground.
The LIFE
FORCE mentioned above that permeates our entire atmosphere and
how it has functioned in BIOLOGY from Archaen times to the present,
is apparently a subject out of the reach of the author of
Etidorpha, Cater, Van Flandrin and just about every other scientific
researcher today. But such overall understanding was standard to the
ancient scientists.. and also understood and explained by James
Churchward throughout his books. And at every step Churchward
provides reasonable - real universe (not metaphysical) - PROOFS
for his every assertion no matter the subject.
None of the
theorists today, orthodox or unorthodox like theorist Cater, cover
the length and breadth of every facet like Churchward. In his eyes
our universe and this planet's history and its lives are
interconnected. Biological and Geological changes are all ONE
STORY, connected and understandable to any reasoning mind. Yet he
never claimed to be the ORIGINATOR. All that he presented was known
to people 25,000 to 50,000 years back and recorded on the ancient
stone tablets that his Rishi mentor and he translated in the late
1800s. He was only "reminding" the rest of us about this unified
knowledge our world had forgotten. Get ALL his books and judge for
yourselves. - Dick Fojut
Dean also wrote:) Members,
Vertical movement can be
understood by the idea of cutting a cantalope in slices. If you push
down on one slice, another one pops up in
response.
In Etipdorhpa, it is
explained that cavern cavities contain soft particle atmospheres
which are similar in frequency to the gravity-inducing frequency
without being gravity-inducing radiation. but they aresimilar enough
to block the penetration of the gravity-inducing radiation. In this
way giant caverns exist, and huge continents can be sustained above
them. The Guide explains to The Man about a parallel " lake
" 150 miles beneath the ocean " which covers an area
of many thousands of square miles, and which has an average
depth of five miles." He explains that " part of the water
of the ocean is being transferred through this stratum [
intervening stratum above ] to the underground cavity [ lake
]."
I wonder- if a different
frequency were introduced in a cavern below, could this induce a
cavern to collapse and sink the land mass above it? Maybe this
happened below what is now the Pacific, and maybe it happened in the
Gulf of Mexico. This would explain archaeological artifacts on the
ocean floors. This could even be done artificially by an enemy
culture. I'm just wondering at this point, but learn
Etidorhpa.
Re: [allplanets-hollow] Vertical plate movement
Dick,
I read them. I've just been over-extended recently and I read things on the run. Then, later on, I recall something, and can't remember which post it was in, etc. So I cheat alittle and just ask again about it.
DD
···
Dean.... I find it frustrating. I read ALL of your posts. But apparently you have read very little of the voluminous stuff I've sent you priorly that should have answered, or made unnecessary, your question above. Note the following JPEG from one of Churchward's "Cosmic Forces of MU" books, showing an ISOLATED gas chamber upholding land above water level....