Terry,
Those plates were unearthed in upstate New York. Quite a distance from SLC.
Blake
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-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Re: New Guy: Secret Societies?
I usually chose my words wisely Norlan. I should have
gone with my first instinct and not cryptically
interposed (Masonic) between Mormon Church.
About the caves. Is it not true that the golden tablets
on which Mormon scripture is based are believed to be
hidden in secret caves around Salt Lake City? I have no
HIDDEN meaning in asking this, I just want to know. As
far as your personal attack on Hazel and I, I'll let you
have the last word. Ignorant? Why sure! After all isn't
the aquiring of knowledge but varying degrees ignorance.
Terry
--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., Norlan2000@a... wrote:
Dear Hazel, and newcomer, Terry, and Dean,
I'm amazed at the varying degrees of what gets posted
on this site. We move
from what seems to be serious discussions of very
fascinating scientific
topics of soft particles, and Oregon energy, and ether
detection and
measurement, to outright ignorant comments and
accusations of religious
groups being on Satan's payroll in their efforts to
control society.
Hazel, up until now, I have enjoyed reading most of
your postings because you
appeared to be a person who is somewhat informed and
seemed to be seriously
looking for truth and answers like the rest of us.
However, newcomer Terry,
in his introductory comment, which revealed his own
bias and ignorance as
well, allowed you to exposed yourself for what you
are.
To make the kind of statement you made in response to
Terry's conspiracy
paranoia, reveals that you are not an inquisitive
searcher of truth, but
rather, represent the more dangerous kind of thinker
who is quick to accuse
and condemn others of which you have basically no
knowledge whatsoever. Your
"either/or" argument, that entire groups of totally
unrelated societies or
religious affiliations are unitedly acting as
coconspirators for the purpose
of "either" misusing or corrupting ancient truth and
knowledge through their
ignorance as a whole, "or" that they are hoarding this
truth and knowledge
for their own selfish selves, as being the only two
options of possibility,
only expose your own biased ignorance.
Ever heard the song, "One Tin Soldier?" Do I hear
Valley People mentality
here?
I could go on and on in pointing out just how
uninformed you are, but it's
not worth my time.
As for Terry, welcome to the site, however, I am
personally offended by your
ignorant comments. I use the term ignorant in this
context not as one who is
stupid, but in the correct definition as that of one
being uninformed.
Unfortunately, a lot of the misunderstandings in the
world today are fostered
by the overreactions or misinterpretations of the
partially or mis- informed.
So, perhaps I can inform you where you are lacking
correct information.
I happen to be a Mormon, or more correctly, a member
of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, and, no, Mormon Churches
are not Masonic, nor
are they constructed in strategic places to hide
secret entrances to
"otherworld" domains. We are not affiliated with
Delta forces, or anyone
other groups which you generalize as being all in this
conspiracy together.
The only connection that your resources have used to
exaggerate the
Mormon/Mason affiliation is that there are some
similarities in the spiritual
ceremonies in the temples of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints
and that of the Masonic rites. The source of these
ceremonies and rites come
from the Temple of Solomon of Old Testament fame. The
Latter-day Saints have
the complete restored ceremonies and the Divine
Ordinances which accompany
these sacred things, whereas, the Masons have partial
aspects of the sacred
ceremonies of Solomon's Temple which have been handed
down from generation to
generation and have become somewhat distorted and
fragmented in the process.
None of these LDS things are secret. However, they
are considered very
sacred by those who have participated in them. They
include things like an
Eternal Marriage ceremony between husband and wife,
which, if the
participants are true to the covenants of devotion and
loyalty to each other,
then these marriages are promised to last throughout
eternity, along with
their family structure as well. They also include
ordinances which show a
devotion to God by promising to keep his commandments
and fulfill the
ordinances which He has prescribed. These ordinances
also include doing work
for the dead, which merely means that we perform
ordinances such as baptism,
in proxy, for our own ancestors as well as others who
have died before having
the opportunity to perform these ordinances for
themselves. We believe that
these ordinances are necessary to be performed here on
this earth, as God has
commanded, so that the blessings affiliated with them
can be had for all
mankind in our heavenly rewards for obedience. We
believe that God, in all
his wisdom and fairness, has provided this way in
which those who weren't
aware of these commandments will have the opportunity
to accept them done on
their behalves.
We believe that these temples are sacred places where
Christ, Himself, could
tarry here on this earth, if He chose to do so, and as
such, we believe that
the sites selected for these temples are also on
hollowed ground. In some
cases, these sites have been selected and dedicated
hundreds of years, and
even centuries before the temples are ever built upon
these sites. Not
because of the secret aspects of what these sites
might hide, but rather, the
sacred and dedicated nature of the places where they
are located.
The Masons have lost these aspects of the temple
ceremonies, but rather, as I
understand them, and I am no expert on Masonism, the
Masonic rites are more
involved in the progressive nature of the Temple
Ordinances. This is also
part of the LDS Temple Cerimonies. In the LDS Temple,
through a process of
covenants of righteousness, and through the
information which is provided in
these ceremonies, we learn the process in which we can
return to our Heavenly
Father's presense in the highest Celestial degree of
glory in God's Heavenly
Kingdom. This includes certain sacred signs and
tokens which will allow us
to pass through certain checkpoints of worthiness and
by the guardians of
these checkpoints of the heavenly realms. The Mason's
emphasize this aspect
of the Temple Ceremony. Thus, they emphasize the
signs and tokens of this
process, which have been somewhat distorted, yet they
treat these things with
more of a secretive nature than do the LDS. Our only
stipulation in
receiving this information, is that those receiving it
are worthy of the
caretaking of these sacred things, lest it be to their
condemnation. We
encourage all to attain this worthiness and to partake
in the ordinances
thereof, so that they might also receive the blessings
predicated on this
obedient participation.
Now, Hazel and Terry, you can take this how you will.
But, I would hope that
you might be a little less suspicious, and a little
less misinformed. I'm
not saying that there aren't secrets being held by
certain powers, that very
well may be the case. But what I am hoping is that
you don't catagorize
everyone and everything that you don't understand into
this all encompasing
conspiracy plot. We are all seeking the truth about
this earth and the means
by how it was created. Let's keep working together in
this effort instead of
starting to point ignorant accusing fingers in all
directions where we don't
have any understanding. It works both ways. . .
. . . Like, . . . I can tell you one thing which I've
heard is true. What I
heard is that all persons named Terry or Hazel who
prescribe to this site,
are idiots . . . But perhaps that would be an over
generalization now,
wouldn't it. And, it's probably not even true . . .
is it. So, maybe I
shouldn't be passing it on like it was true. . .
should I. Unless I wanted
to reveal my own state of ignorance. . . that is.
Let's be careful who we are accusing of earning
paychecks. Things we don't
know about aren't always bad. Maybe there are
guadians of entrances to the
interior of the earth for good reasons. Maybe they
are reserving that
knowledge to those who prove worthy of its caretaking
as well. Let's all try
and earn that knowledge together.
Norlan
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