DD,
I wonder how much the mushroom connection really has to do with the HE....
It sounds like a simple thing, but there is obviously more to it.
MM
What mushroom connection? The Vikings took Fly Agaric (highly toxic) to
induce altered states of consciousness, and believed (like the Arabs)
martyrdom meant one would go to paradise after death. Hazel
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DD,
I wonder how much the mushroom connection really has to do with the HE....
It sounds like a simple thing, but there is obviously more to it.MM
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DD and MM,
Personally I think the Alice story correlates more with ASP and lucid
dreaming than the inner earth and I made this connection many many years
ago, the looking glass being a metaphor for ones self, entering it is
actually synonomous with entering ones inner world, inner consciousness.
The characters encountered on the "inside" seem very real indeed, some have
said these are archetypes. Like the Mad Hatters tea party, there is a
logic all its own in there sometimes.
Sean
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DD,
I wonder how much the mushroom connection really has to do with the HE....
It sounds like a simple thing, but there is obviously more to it.MM
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Sean,
You could be right on this. That is why I want to finish the tale before making any conclusions. I do think Carroll writes quite a bit on "over-the-heads of youth. Inserting a little science and history, but then adults enjoy fairy tales, so maybe it is a psychological account for adults.
Leslee
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Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mushroom Connection...DD and MM,
Personally I think the Alice story correlates more with ASP and lucid
dreaming than the inner earth and I made this connection many many years
ago, the looking glass being a metaphor for ones self, entering it is
actually synonomous with entering ones inner world, inner consciousness.
The characters encountered on the "inside" seem very real indeed, some have
said these are archetypes. Like the Mad Hatters tea party, there is a
logic all its own in there sometimes.Sean
DD,
I wonder how much the mushroom connection really has to do with the HE....
It sounds like a simple thing, but there is obviously more to it.MM
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I've been corresponding with a fellow in Alaska, Point Barrow, about
temperature differences between geographic locations. Take a look. Of
course, the warmer temps of Fairbanks in the summer are due to the fact that
Fairbanks sits lower in latitude and gets some rather direct sunlight. Point
Barrow sits so high up that it never gets warmed in this way.
It gets interesting in the second paragraph. He says that the weather in
Point Barrow is not so related to the weather in Fairbanks. Barrow sits on
the rim of the Arctic Ocean, at the top, and Fairbanks in the middle. Frode
also mentioned to me once that it was -30* in the interior of Norway, but
only 0* at the Arctic coast! 0* is nothing, that is the same as 32* F, it
used to be colder than that in Washington, D.C., all through the winter.
Notice that he goes on to attribute this to: Warmer Arctic Ocean fronts.
But, you know, there is a lot of ice up there in the Arctic basin, right?
And a lot of it might melt in the summer, but the question is " why?" What
explains the Arctic warming, including the warming of the water, i.e., open
water? You can't just attribute it to warmer fronts off the ocean, that
doesn't explain it well. Land does cool faste than water, but none of the
traditional explanations explain the types of warm temperatures which Arctic
explorers have related. Peary experienced 50* in februray from Northen
Greenland, nansen couldn't sleep at night because of the heat near the Pole
and said that the heat during the day was " scorching." Of course, an
opening to a warmer interior explains the phenomena well. The warmer air
spills out. That is why Point barrow has different weather than Fairbanks,
the spillover effect doesn't reach so far down, just in the Arctic basin.
He also mentions the supposed warmer air currents coming up from the
Pacific. Those are high, stratospheric currents. But air at such heights
cools even in the equatorial regions, so it is not going to warm Barrow so
much. Anyway, the point is, if such air does come up from the El Ni�o area,
why? What actuall explains it? Maybe air entering the opening actually draws
air currents from the surface towards it, all the way from below Hawaii.
And what forces cold air South from Alaska while the Arctic area stays
relatively warm in comparison? Meteorologists attribute this to the stream,
as the fellow will explain, but that it because they cannot factor in the
fact that warmer air emanates from the opening. They explain it away by
blaming warm air from the North which nudges the Arctic air downwards, but
they don't know the source of that warmer air, nor do they realize what
draws any " jet streams " from the South.
Anyway, read the whole thing he wrote:
Fairbanks gets these horrendous extremes. In the winter
there it gets as cold as 70 below zero; and in the summer as warm
as 97 above. In Barrow the coldest is 56 degrees below zero and
the warmest is 79 degrees above. A good 15 degrees more extreme
at each end of the range for Fairbanks compared to Barrow. But
more than that are the week to week or day to day or day to night
variations, which are all more extreme in the Interior of Alaska.
There are some interesting things there that don't meet the eye
too! The weather in Barrow is not very closely related to the
weather in Fairbanks. That is because Fairbanks mostly gets the
remnants of low pressure areas that move east and north from
the Bering Sea, rolling up along the north side of the Aleutian
Islands and into mainland Alaska... and if it is a strong
enough front it will go all the way into the interior.
Barrow gets Arctic Ocean fronts, most of which move eastward
from Siberia.
But both can be greatly affected by the jet stream that goes
north and south, and _that_ is where things get _really_
interesting. Look south of Fairbanks, and you can draw a line
right through Hawaii, and south of that... is right about that
chunk of the ocean where they are always talking about El Nino
weather patterns originating!
So Fairbanks happens to be just north of that warm spot in the
ocean.
And the jet stream can carry "warm" air from the south all the
way to the Arctic. It has been described by meteorologists as
acting something like a water hose, squirting a spray of water
out and jumping around all over the place. Well Fairbanks is
normally about as far north as it squirts, and when it does it
forces the cold air from Siberia that would otherwise move down
into the Interior to instead stay north and move eastward across
the Arctic Ocean coast and push down into Canada. That pushes
air from northern Canada down into the contiguous United States
and they then get a bad winter storm. Usually that is in the
area around Minnesota and Wisconsin, but it can actually be
almost anywhere out there.
Hence, every meteorologist in the US watches the weather in
Fairbanks! And if you watch it in the winter there is a
relationship which becomes quickly obvious. If it is "warm" in
Fairbanks (the temperature is higher than 20F) from November
through February, then somewhere in the USA they are having a
winter storm. They will be complaining in Minnesota that they
are colder than even Fairbanks Alaska for heavens sakes!
They'll say it's a blast of "cold Canadian air" causing it. The
Canadians will be complaining too, about a blast of cold Alaskan
air.
Barrow might be warmer or colder than average when that is
happening, depending on where that water hose effect from the
jet stream is squirting the warm air out.
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To: Members
From: Dharma/Dean
Sean,
It could be that we are reading into things and imposing ideas.
DD
DD and MM,
Personally I think the Alice story correlates more with ASP and lucid
dreaming than the inner earth and I made this connection many many years
ago, the looking glass being a metaphor for ones self, entering it is
actually synonomous with entering ones inner world, inner consciousness.
The characters encountered on the "inside" seem very real indeed, some
have
···
said these are archetypes. Like the Mad Hatters tea party, there is a
logic all its own in there sometimes.Sean
yes, very likely we are.
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Mushroom Connection...
Sean,
It could be that we are reading into things and imposing ideas.
DD
> DD and MM,
>
> Personally I think the Alice story correlates more with ASP and lucid
> dreaming than the inner earth and I made this connection many many years
> ago, the looking glass being a metaphor for ones self, entering it is
> actually synonomous with entering ones inner world, inner consciousness.
> The characters encountered on the "inside" seem very real indeed, some
have
> said these are archetypes. Like the Mad Hatters tea party, there is a
> logic all its own in there sometimes.
>
> Sean
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Floyd,
Is this jet stream stratospheric?
Later!
Dean in Brazil
You wrote:
But both can be greatly affected by the jet stream that goes
north and south, and _that_ is where things get _really_
interesting. Look south of Fairbanks, and you can draw a line
right through Hawaii, and south of that... is right about that
chunk of the ocean where they are always talking about El Nino
weather patterns originating!
hazel and All,
I finally did download Shambalah through Napster- it is just that you have
to spell it as I just did.
I am getting a real kick out of it. I wonder what Olaf would say if he could
hear the song. He would probably shake his head and wonder about us.
How can I get the song on my site such that all you have to do is click on
something and then you hear it? I have the words up on the first page, at
the bottom.
Dharma/Dean
Members,
I have been finding it hard to cultivate the Hindu community and indologists
in relation to the Hollow Earth Theory. Indologists only have a few Puranic
comments to work with. Beyond that, they have to go outside of their area in
order to substantiate the HET and consider things such as astronomical
photos, the experiences of Arctic explorers, etc. All of this requires time
and a different type of expertise. This Hindus are already accustomed,
unfortunately, to taking their Puranic histories in an allegorical way.
Piece by piece, it all becomes feasable, but precious time gets lost. Like a
century or two.
One of this my favorite examples has to do with the British conquest of
India. They deciphered Sanskrit and interpreted the Puranas. They read about
flying vehicles, weapons which persue enemies, arrows which drill into the
ground and weapons activated by mantra. Then, with their pragmatic
understandings, the British minimised and made a mockery of the Vedas. But
now we witness aircraft, guided weapons, and voice-activated weapons, and
the U.S. armed forces are even experimenting with missiles which drill into
the ground several hundred meters before exploding their warheads. Now we
have a different perspective on these Vedic descriptions.
In the same way, we now face a different challenge in relation to the
HET/Hollow planets theory. For example, the Puranas describe luxurient
vegetation on the Moon as well as beautiful gardens, lakes and parks. But
Apollo astronauts have supposedly gone to the Moon and found no life and no
water. This would seem to spell the end of any creedence that one could put
in the Puranas, and from that point onwards, Vedic dharma becomes a laughing
stock. Even so, when A C. Bhaktivedanta Swami was informed that astronomers
had sent astronauts to the Moon and had reported that there was no life, he
answered that " They are hardly even conversant with the planet on which
they are living."
I love it! It was he that translated that stretch in the Bhagavat Purana
that has that story about different regions of the Prithivi ( surface )
being distributed to different sages for their guidance, and that the "
madhyatah," middle portion, was distributed to Kashyapa Rishi. When you
mention the middle part in relation to the surface, what does that mean? So
I think that he knew, he kept referring, in his writings, to civilizations "
in " the planets. Some examples of these comments are in my article on
hollow Venus:
http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index4.html
Dharma/Dean
Members,
One of this my favorite examples has to do with the British conquest of
India. They deciphered Sanskrit and interpreted the Puranas. They read
about
flying vehicles, weapons which persue enemies, arrows which drill into the
ground and weapons activated by mantra. Then, with their pragmatic
understandings, the British minimised and made a mockery of the Vedas. But
now we witness aircraft, guided weapons, and voice-activated weapons, and
the U.S. armed forces are even experimenting with missiles which drill
into
the ground several hundred meters before exploding their warheads. Now we
have a different perspective on these Vedic descriptions.In the same way, we now face a different challenge in relation to the
HET/Hollow planets theory.
Olaf Jansen, in an era before the discovery of electricity, bescribed the
'Hyperboreans' as communicating over long distances on a puzzling device
using air currents, the only comparison available to him. We now have this
device, mobile phones. Hazel
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From: "Dean De Lucia" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:18 PM
Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Hollow-planet Venus
Members,
Here is a croos-post from Mike Mott's list. I is so appropriate for this
list that I had to cross post it.
Cavern worlds are practically the " other side " of the hollow Earth theory.
Cavern worlds are different as the hollow portion is a central cavity, the
hollow part is not in the shell.
It sems that UFO exist in both realms, just as the Western Democracies, as
well as the Chinese, both possess jet aircraft.
Here is the cross-post:
Brian,
The circumstantial evidence, including some which consists of
geological or seismic anomalies and other "hard" data which
have revealed the existence of a world-wide anomaly, is that
there may exist a region, many miles down, which consists of
huge caverns. This region is called the Mohorovicic
Discontinuity or Layer, or the Moho. Between the surface and the
moho the crust is literally honeycombed with fissures, huge
cavern systems which apparently go on beyond our ability to
map, sumps, aquifers, drained oil deposits, and so on. The
ground beneath our feet is not as densely-packed as one might
have been led to believe.
The circumstantial, anecdotal, or witness evidence is very strong
for the existence of this "alternate" biosphere. UFOs seem to
have a connection to this region. As a phenomenon which has
been here for ages, and upon examination, it would seem that
UFOs, as well as anomalous beings, are native to this planet
and are not from "somewhere else," despite what the beings
described might tell percipients. The information imparted is
often in very questionable form, at times absurd (as in the paper
"star map" shown to Betty Hill), and seems designed to make
victims, and the human race, look in every conceivable direction
except downward. This from beings who exhibit the vertebrate
template of Earthly evolution or creation, two arms, two legs, two
eyes, one central trunk or body, one head, etc. Despite the
weirdness of their appearances, they tend to exhibit the traits of
"earthly" animal types, from mammalian to reptilian, to
supposedly "insectoid," but this latter form is still reptilian or
mammalian, vertebrate, two arms, legs, etc.
It is as "provable" as any UFO, fortean, or cryptozoological theory,
and in fact is more supported by the circumstantial and
ancedotal evidence than most.
It's just something that has not been seriously considered much,
which is not to our advantage, if, as Charles Hoy Fort stated, "We
are property."
Time to wake up?
--Mike
Olaf Jansen, in an era before the discovery of electricity, bescribed the
'Hyperboreans' as communicating over long distances on a puzzling device
using air currents, the only comparison available to him. We now have this
device, mobile phones. Hazel
Exactly hazel, good point.
DD