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Will,

You're right. The scriptures say the ice shall "flow down at their
presence," and that a "highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great
deep." Taken literally, that could mean a bridge of ice from the ocean.

As for the City of Enoch, I suppose it could have been moved physically from
the exterior to the interior. I'm only speculating. Do you suppose the City
of Enoch and Atlantis are one in the same?

Blake

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on 05/08/2001 3:55 PM, Frei, Blake at [email protected] wrote:

The City of Enoch is said to have been a city so righteous that God

removed

it from the earth. How it was removed is speculation. Was it physically
taken, or did everyone just drop dead and thus it was spiritually and
symbolically taken? And whether it exists within the earth is anyone's
guess. Depends on whether the inner earth is designated as "paradise" or
not. No one knows but many have opinions.

Blake, I think I read somewhere that Joseph Smith once said that the City of
Enoch and their country was where the Gulf of Mexico is now. If that is
true, and I believe it is, then they can't be in the inner earth. They are
no longer telestial and won't abide on this planet unitl it is terestrial
again.

The Lost Ten Tribes were led away to northern countries where "mankind

never

dwelt," according to history. They exist as a separate group and there's a
lot of Mormon prophecy regarding their return as being a somewhat

miraculous

event, about the ice melting and their returning from the north.

Blake the Ice won't melt, it will become harder and become the bridge they
use according to what I have read. But I look forward to seeing it, because
the scriptures say that it will make the parting of the Red Sea be forgotten
in comparison to the miracle that will be wrought to bring them back to the
outside.

Will Rhea

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Now we're into theory 101, and my idea's on this have absolutely no bearing
in science, history or anything else. I just have a feeling about this:

I believe that the ancient Greeks may have sailed westward toward the
Jaredite or Nephite civilizations, who were more advanced than we think and
that they were who the Greeks called Atlantians and Atlantis. I have
several reasons for this, but they can be explained other ways.
    
1... During the time before Christ's visit to the America's after his
resurrection, there is a governor who defeats the Gadianton Robbers, who is
named Lachoneus. That is a Greek name. It is true that in Lehi's trade
(read job or work) he may well have had dealings with the Greeks. It may be
that Mulek and his people landed on Greece during their exodus from
Jerusalem or traveled there by land before coming to America. I mean Mulek
being a prince of Israel, likely didn't have a lot of sailing experience and
neither did most of Israel. But the Greeks did! But it is also possible
that some Greeks did come and did stay. As an aside, I have read an
interesting story somewhere about the daughters of Zedekiah escaping
Jerusalem but none of the sons. It was British Israel stuff.

2... At the time Lehi left Jerusalem, the Greeks were probably the best
sailors. The only problems the Greeks had in exploring was their funky
beleif about going to far north or south and either burning or freezing to
death. But they had to get their ideas from somewhere and I am sure that
exaggeration came into it. But many of the things that the Greeks said
about Atlantis could be said for the Nephites or Jaredites (pick one) if you
consider exaggeration.

There are other things too, but I don't have time to think about them right
now or dig up the things I wrote about them already. But I am pretty sure
that the Greeks actually found the Jaredites. The reasons for this are few
but logical and I will list them.

1... The Greeks knew the Jews or Israelites. And the Book of Mormon says
that the Nephites wrote in reformed egyptian but spoke a modified hebrew. I
am sure that the Greeks might have recognized some of the hebrew, but they
would NOTHING about the Jaredite language, since EVERYONE else at the tower
of Babel, except Jared and his followers had their languages changed.

2... The Lord says in the scriptures of the Jaredites, that there was no
civilization greater. I can think of lots of GREAT civilizations, and if
none were greater, that means that the Jaredites are at least equal to the
greatest, if not the greatest. That would put them ahead of the Egyptians,
Romans (who were just coming into their own in the Mediterranean) or the
other eastern civilizations, all of whom the Greeks were familiar with.

3... The Jaredites were destroyed by a great civil war, and a total
destruction of their lands. This could be (without the exaggerated
embellishment) what the Greeks thought of the destruction of Atlantis. But
the Nephites weren't destroyed until 400 a.d. and the Atlantis myth was
already in common usage among many peoples.

Anyway, if you get the idea that I don't believe in Atlantis or LeMuria or
little or large grey aliens, you are right. I believe that many legends are
myths that got started through embellishment and exaggeration. Although I
have seen things that I can't explain and need no exaggeration or
embellishment to sound grand.

Will "Argyll" Rhea

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on 05/08/2001 6:29 PM, Frei, Blake at [email protected] wrote:

As for the City of Enoch, I suppose it could have been moved physically from
the exterior to the interior. I'm only speculating. Do you suppose the City
of Enoch and Atlantis are one in the same?

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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:09 PM

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<Anyway, if you get the idea that I don't believe in Atlantis or LeMuria or
little or large grey aliens, you are right. I believe that many legends are myths that got started through embellishment and exaggeration. Although Ihave seen things that I can't explain and need no exaggeration or
embellishment to sound grand.>

Hi--

I have been following this thread. Interesting idea about myths. I, myself, believe that man throughout time has had visions--prophetic dreams, etc. And, I believe that if we were able to talk with the 'one' who had the vision we would probably be a lot more knowledgeable today then we are. But, a vision, even for the one experiencing it, is hard to decipher, as most come through in symbols. It is a bit like an abstract painting. If all of us in this group were to be shown a painting, and then asked for an interpretation, I would bet that there would be as many different interpretations as there were people on this list. Who would be right? Probably all of us would be able to see a hint of truth, but I doubt that any of us would be absolutely correct in describing what the artist intended. The artist may not even know.

But, lets take the Mormons for an example. I only select them because a very distant grandmother of mine was one--Patty Bartlett Sessions. I have her diary, which began with her walk across the states from the east coast to Salt Lake City with Brigham Young, her good friend. She was close to 50 at the time they made their travels west and lived to be 99. I have 45 years worth of her daily writing. Unfortunately, she was not a wordy woman, and her diary is a like reading a daily scientific log.

Her diary is revealing in how religions/myths/doctrines change over time. For instance, she talks about the Saturday night get-togethers, and yes, liquor was served and cigarettes smoked. She talks about how they healed so and so while laying on hands. How they talked in tongues. What psychic visions they had...etc. Now, today, we know that the Mormon's do not indulge in either alcohol or tobacco. How did this become a rule? Well, according to her dairy Brigham Young rose to the pulpit one Sunday morning after a long Saturday night and could barely see his parishioners due to the smoky church--and he was not feeling too well after a night of partying, therefore in a cranky mood--so, right then and there he made a new Mormon Rule--forbidding alcohol & cigarettes. I do not know much about the Mormon religion today, as I am not Mormon, but my mom and dad's parents were. And, I know that if the above rule was broken, then a Mormon was forbidden to go through the Temple in Salt Lake City. I know because it happened to my mom's mom. This rule came from a man, not a God. A preacher who became legend. I only use this as an example for "how" legends become altered only because it is the only one I have written proof of.

I can also read her dairy and see how over the years there were many changes in the Mormon beliefs. And, since we are all human, I would bet that this has happened with every religion ever born. Or prophecy. Little changes over time that in the end add up to huge discrepancies. Add in the fact that many of the original books were burned for one reason or another, those left may have been written in code, or tampered with, or translated by a third, fourth or fifth party. In light of how history has been recorded through time I would say practically anything could be true, or not true. But, I would bet that there is some truth in every myth or prophecy or religion if we dig deep enough and piece together the puzzle. I have often wondered if religions are different from one another only because they were written for different cultures, yet if we looked hard enough we may discover they are pretty much based on the same principles? Some are more romantic than others, some crude, others down right scary, and maybe it is all because of the artist who wrote it, or the translator's style of dialect. I think all the books hold clues to the mystery of this planet and it's evolution, and what may still come.

I personally believe that the earth must be hollow, only because I do not see how it could keep on spinning if it weren't. Not very scientific, but that is my thought. I also think that the lands have changed over time, and that there probably was an Atlantis, which could be known or referred to by many names. I think that there, at one time, was a more perfect man than we are today, and one reason alone is because our life span is what I consider short compared to our technology. I do not think we can discount aliens, UFO's, angels, spirits, etc. What looks like an angel to me may look like a grey to another. I do not think these visions/sightings or legends, at least on a whole, were embellishments and exaggerations made to impress someone, or sound grand. I think it is more than that I think they are true, at least to the one who witnessed the experience, and they were not trying to sound grand, but to understand what they had seen, so they were talked about, and eventually recorded. What we need to do is figure a way to decipher the history.

In thought, Leslee

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on 05/09/2001 3:07 AM, AstroCafe at [email protected] wrote:

I personally believe that the earth must be hollow, only because I do not see how it could keep on spinning if it weren't. Not very scientific, but that is my thought. I also think that the lands have changed over time, and that there probably was an Atlantis, which could be known or referred to by many names. I think that there, at one time, was a more perfect man than we are today, and one reason alone is because our life span is what I consider short compared to our technology. I do not think we can discount aliens, UFO's, angels, spirits, etc. What looks like an angel to me may look like a grey to another. I do not think these visions/sightings or legends, at least on a whole, were embellishments and exaggerations made to impress someone, or sound grand. I think it is more than that I think they are true, at least to the one who witnessed the experience, and they were not trying to sound grand, but to understand what they had seen, so they were talked about, and eventually recorded. What we need to do is figure a way to decipher the history.

Leslee, first I have heard that story about Brigham Young, but trust me I know Patty Sessions great grandson (lives a mile away and is a good friend, though older) and have flatly heard him deny those rumors. I also happen to come from a non Mormon family who at the time of the martyrdom of Joseph Smith were angry with the Moromons because they didn't do those things and it impacted the sales that my great-great grandfather could have made selling his Scotch Whiskey. That is in family journals of the time. He admired the Mormons for living their religion, even though it cost him money. Now I am a Latter Day Saint and can and will defend the church.

Anyway, on to the above quote. I too believe the Earth to be hollow. And like I said, I have seen many things that I cannot explain. In fact, I have been the beneficiary of some things that I would be ridiculed for if I were to tell it publicly, but can prove to a point. I do believe in the little people too. I however do not believe in Atlantis as the Greeks describe it. It is my BELEIF, not a fact, that the Greeks were seeing something greater than they knew and the exaggeration started and the next thing you know, you have Atlantis as we know it today. However, I COULD BE WRONG.

Will "Argyll" Rhea

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on 05/09/2001 3:07 AM, AstroCafe at [email protected] wrote:

I personally believe that the earth must be hollow, only because I do not see how it could keep on spinning if it weren't. Not very scientific, but that is my thought. I also think that the lands have changed over time, and that there probably was an Atlantis, which could be known or referred to by many names. I think that there, at one time, was a more perfect man than we are today, and one reason alone is because our life span is what I consider short compared to our technology. I do not think we can discount aliens, UFO's, angels, spirits, etc. What looks like an angel to me may look like a grey to another. I do not think these visions/sightings or legends, at least on a whole, were embellishments and exaggerations made to impress someone, or sound grand. I think it is more than that I think they are true, at least to the one who witnessed the experience, and they were not trying to sound grand, but to understand what they had seen, so they were talked about, and eventually recorded. What we need to do is figure a way to decipher the history.

Will "Argyll" Rhea wrote:

<Leslee, first I have heard that story about Brigham Young, but trust me I know Patty Sessions great grandson (lives a mile away and is a good friend, though older) and have flatly heard him deny those rumors.>

Has he written the church for her official diaries? He is entitled to them if he can prove his lineage to her.

They are not rumors in the eyes of the church, but her official dairy kept for historical records on the church, and copies are only given out to relatives. I can not imagine the Mormon church giving out this history in diaries to relatives if they did not validate them first. According to the church her diary is an official document, and it dates begin Feb 10 , 1846. It tells of their complete journey to Salt Lake, and how the town was settled and built up. 9(But hey--let's take your view for a minute and day they are rumors--this is how discrepancies begin)

So, I am in no way criticizing you for your faith, just explaining what is written by Patty Bartlett, and also documented and confirmed by the Mormon church. I also do not want to get into an argument about religion, but was using the example to show how philosophies can be altered over time, rules made along the way, in anything historical.

As you should. But, I am not asking that you defend the church. It does not need to be defended to me, nor does any other church or belief. As I said, it was used only as an example of how things get changed over time from original versions. It was not an assault on either you or the church, and if I came across that way I do humbly apologize.

<Anyway, on to the above quote. I too believe the Earth to be hollow. And like I said, I have seen many things that I cannot explain. In fact, I have been the beneficiary of some things that I would be ridiculed for if I were to tell it publicly, but can prove to a point.>

So, you are like those who walked before us and have seen glimpses of things others are blind too. This is what I was trying to say, many people have visions, dreams, sightings, and never speak of them because they know they will not be believed. Those who tell of their experiences are usually debunked by someone, or ridiculed which is really a shame.

But, those long ago brave souls who did not care about ridicule, are the ones responsible for the ancient texts that we today try to decipher. And, some of what has been written in the past hundred years, along with what will be written in the years to come, will also be studied and deciphered and gone over with the same kind of scrutiny people use today. We also we be a mystery to others and they will try to decide if a piece of information written in the year 2000 was true or false.

I think there are may descriptions for Atlantis and it is hard to determine whose description is correct. That is why I suggested everything be looked at and evaluated.>

< It is my BELEIF, not a fact, that the Greeks were seeing something greater than they knew and the exaggeration started and the next thing you know, you have Atlantis as we know it today. However, I COULD BE WRONG.>

Then again, you could be right. Perhaps the Greeks were seeing something greater than they knew, and they told about it the best they could, but the story got lost in the translation. I think it is in the translations where the problems lie when trying to determine what is true.

In Peace, Leslee

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