Dean,
If a magnetic field (from the Sun) is holding the planets in position,
wouldn't it, over time, pull it closer and closer towards the Sun? Or does
the mag/field work in such a way that it keeps everything in steady balance,
depending on the field of some opposing force? Just throwing this out there,
I haven't read Cater's book yet. Please forgive me...soon I will send for it.
MM
Sverdrup was the captain of the ship Fram, the Ship used in Nansen's
expedition, written about in Seven Days North of Tibet.
http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index5.html
After Dr. Nansen set out over the ice in search of the North pole, he left
Sverdrup to continue explorations from the ship, which could not reach the
pole.
" Sverdrup found so many hares around 81* North latitude that one inlet was
called Hare Fiord. There was also enough other game to keep the whole
exploring party well fed with meat." From The Hollow Earth, page 128.
Why are there so many hares so far North? Nansen and the expedition ran
across so many anomalies indicative of warming near the pole. For example,
he reached to within 150 miles of the pole, but the way was blocked by ice
ridges. As he and Johansen descended towards Russia, Franz Joseph Land, on
foot, they noticed that the temperatures had been warmer near the pole.
" Franklin saw large numbers of geese migrating to the unknown North, at a
high latitude, indicating land there. He notes that no matter how far North
the explorer goes, he always finds the polar bear ahead of him. No matter
how far North these bears are met, they are always on their way North.
At latitude 82*, Kane found butterflies, bees and flies, as well as wolves,
foxes, bears, geese, ducks, woter-fowls and partridges. A strange fact all
explorers observe is that animals do not migrate south to escape the cold
Arctic winter, but instead go North." The Hollow Earth, Page 128.
Dean,
If a magnetic field (from the Sun) is holding the planets in position,
wouldn't it, over time, pull it closer and closer towards the Sun? Or does
the mag/field work in such a way that it keeps everything in steady
balance,
depending on the field of some opposing force? Just throwing this out
there,
I haven't read Cater's book yet. Please forgive me...soon I will send for
it.
MM
Madhava,
I would get it, it will be a classic, and you learn so much.
Anyway, equilibrium of the planet in its orbit is established by the speed
of the planet and ay gravity in relation to the Sun.
Dean
It helps allplanets-hollow discussion to get at least a little familiar with
the Moon. ( The Moon will be visible only early on in the evening this
weekend- break out the binoculars!
http://www.minervatech.u-net.com/moon/index.htm
The above site is a good one with a description of the Moon for every night
of every phase, pictures, too.
http://otterdad.dynip.com/als/
The American Lunar Society explains some things and has some nice sketches
and pictures.
Cater has made the point that the Moon's gravity is similar to the Earth's
since the point of entry into the Moon's gravitational influence occurs at
about 40,000 miles. At the risk of repetition, I'll repost a few comments
from him:
" The consistent reports of the point where the space ships entered the
gravitational influence of the moon indicated moon gravity comparable to
that of the Earth. If the Moon's surface gravity were only one-sixth earth
gravity, this point of entry, or the point where the gravitational
influence of the moon exceeds that of Earth, would be approximately 22,000
miles from the moon. This can easily be confirmed by elementary mathematics
and mechanics and will not be given here. The distance will vary slightly
percentagewise because the Moon's distance from the Earth fluctuates. Since
the advent of the Apollo missions, the distance reported reported for this
point of entry has been consistently much greater than 22,000 miles. The
distances claimed by various writers, as well as the media, have varied from
about 39,000 to nearly 44,000 miles."
Once the list members get a bit more familiar with the concept of gravity as
an electrostatic force, " largely " induced by penetrating radiations from
the Sun, then the above comment by Cater will make more sense.
If the gravity charge is created by radiations, and these radiations
typically penetrate 50 miles into an orb's crust, then the planets and Moon
are going to have similar amounts of gravity. The Moon wouldn't have 1/6 of
the Earth's gravity.
On page 65 of The Awesome Life Force, page 65, Cater comments additionally:
" In spite of this, the Moon would still be much too massive to be held in
its orbit if it had a shell as thick as the Earth's. This is supported by
evidence supplied by the space program not given wide publicity. Seismic
experiments [ on the Moon ] produced strange reactions indicating an
extremely hollow condition..."
From: Dean/Dharmapada
List Members,
I've been tweaking the article Seven Days North of Tibet, and doing some
re-writing. The following is the gist of what I have come up with:
In the article Seven Days North of Tibet, the explorer Nansen and crew
encountered anomalies in terms of navigation practically throughout their
three year journey. The anamolies seem to be in relation to the compass and
curvature of the Earth as they approached the rim of the opening to the
hollow portion. This is obvious from a reading of Nansen's book Farthest
North. Here are some examples:
On page 126 of Nansen's book, disappointment is described as the navigator
all of the sudden determines the ship's position to be various degrees South
of where they had calculated. This was around 139* longitude East, 79*
latitude North. Now, it is not reasonable to assume that an error had
existed all this time, which had not been caught until this moment: Could it
be that the curvature of the polar opening was playing havoc with the
indications derived from the angle of their sextant readings? This would be
the case if the current had carried them a bit down the inside of the
funnel-like opening, then back up towards the rim of the funnel.
Page 216: " To give the course of the drift [ longitude ] is a difficult
task in these latitudes, as there is a perceptible deviation of the compass
with every degree of longitude as one passes East or West."
In other words, Nansen's compass wouldn't tell him what the longitude was
even though he was several hundred miles away from the Magnetic North Pole!
This is because the magnetic lines of force enter all along the inner rim of
the doughnut-shaped opening; such that as one passes along the rim, the
compass goes helter-skelter, Eastwards and Westwards. Why?
The magnetic North Pole is simply a point where the magnetism is stronger,
but all along the opening, there is a solid curtain of magnetic " points "
because the magnetic field of the Earth runs along the inner rim of the
polar opening!
Page 288: [ April 6th ] " It became more and more of a riddle to me that we
did not make greater progress Northward. I kept on calculating and adding up
our marches later on, but always with the same result ... we must be far
above the 86th parallel. It was becoming only too clear to me that the ice
was moving southward." [ Confusion because of curvature changes? ]
Page 291: [ April 14th ] " I find that we should yesterday have come farther
South than 86* 53 North; ...I cannot explain it in any other manner than by
the surmise that we have been drifting radiply northward, which is very good
for the Fram, but less so for us."
Between the 6th and the 14th, Nansen had turned back. Here we find that
within the space of a few days, he blames his navegational anomalies on the
ice drifting Southward then Northward. More likely, he was very close to the
doughnut-like funnel opening into the hollow portion, and the curvature
changes were confusing him, indicating exagerrated lateral movements.
Lt. Greely ( Later General ) also indicated curvature anomalies, as little
as a couple hundred miles away, maybe less, and opposite from Nansen; Nansen
was now on the Russian side above Franz Joseph Land, and Greely was on the
Greenland/Canada side. Specifically, Lt. Greely noticed a forshortening of
the horizon, such that spurs of land at the horizon seemed too high and cut
off the view beyond. Keep in mind that a " spur " is a ridge or line of
elevation, fingering out from a mountain. This blocking-of-the-view would
also be the case were foreshortening of the horizon being experienced, i.e.,
not being able to see beyond a relatively short distance due to an
exagerrated bulging and pinching of the horizon. At this point, Greely was
near the tip of Greenland, near the Pole ( a few hundred miles ) and near
the opening:
From The Hollow Earth, page 104:
" ' The deep interest with which we had hitherto persued our journey was now
greatly intensified. The eye of civilised man had never seen, or his feet
trodden, the ground over which we were traveling. A strong, ernest desire to
press forward at our best speed seized us all. As we neared each projecting
spur of the land ahead, our eagerness to see what was beyond became so
intense at times as to be painful. Each point we reached brought a new
landscape in sight, and always in advance was a point which cut off a
portion of the horizon and caused a certain disappointment.
If Greely and his companions were entering into the interior of the Earth,
they would certainly find that the Earth has a greater curve near the poles
than at any other place; ..."
One conclusion that we can draw is that curvature certainly seems to have a
role in any travel undertaken in the area.
By " opening," we just mean that the curvature going into the hole
forshortens gradually such that, after a few hundred miles, one's feet are
pointing up towards Helsinki. The hole could be hundreds of miles across
with clouds emanating from the warmer interior, such that one wouldn't see
the other side. Or it could be narrower than that.
List Members,
Do read up on the phenomenon of mirages. Locations have been seen from as
far away as 320 miles.
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/mirage.htm
This has some bearing on the Hollow Earth Theory as there have been quite a
few sighting of terra firme from Northern Canada and Greenland, in the
direction of the polar opening. From the other side, the ship Fram saw a
mirage of the inner sun during the Arctic night, low on the horizon.
Read up and I'll go over some info.
Dean/Dharmapada
I think that I have run this article, The Size and Location of the Polar
Openings, by most of you. But there are some new people on the list, and the
article has been re-written by Rod to include some new information.
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/PolarOpn.htm
Dean/Dharmapada
List members,
The following is a rather significant statement with reference to some
communication which I had with a scientist.
Science cannot explain the aurora because science does not recognise the
inner sun, nor the low frequency ( invisible )particles which Cater speaks
of. And neither science, nor hollow Earthers can explain the shifting of the
ring because they cannot understand Cater's low frequency particles. I mean
to say that hollow Earthers cannot understand the shifting unless they are
from Cater's school of thought.
Here is the exchange:
Alex, August 7, 2000
With reference to our conversations about the sliding over of the auroral
ring, consider this: According to Cater's hollow Earth model, the inner sun
consists primarily of low frequency, invisible electrons. These electrons
form photons along the lines of the domain structure of magnets. The inner
sun is the source of the auroral rays in Cater's model. These auroral rays
contain hard electrons within, which become visibly released during auroral
displays.
Keep in mind the recent NASA study, by Rick Chappel and Barbara Giles, to
the effect that the ions present in the auroral displays are now considered
to originate from the Earth, at least, from the ionisphere.
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast09dec97_3.htm
So we don't have to be married to the idea that the positive ions of the
display originate directly from the Sun and then flow into the opening.
Anyway, the auroral rays which emanate from within, consisting of low
frequency photons/negative charge, are going to be literally swept to the
opposite side of the Sun by the blowing of the magnetic field of the Sun,
due to lateral impulse! For this reason, the auroral ring moves to the far
side of the Sun, the night side, and the fat part congregates there.
The auroral ring tends to rotate around the magnetic pole due to lateral
impulse, too- remember that the ring is characterized by a negative charge.
The lower part of the auroral curtain remains invisible because the friction
hasn't yet broken up the visible hard electrons held within the low
frequency photons. But were the low frequency photons visible, we would see
the auroral rays floating out of the opening and bending over towards where
the auroral display is.
In the book that I have, Cater only explains the nature of the rays of the
inner sun, as well as their source. The rest I am putting together from my
basic understanding of how magnetism and electrostatic charge interact, and
from what I have gathered about auroral behavior. I bought that book Jan
recommened by Dr. Niel Davis, so I have good working knowledge of the
aurora.
Dean De Lucia
Dean,
How do you rectify the aurora moving (rotationally) around the world?http://sec.noaa.gov/pmap/index.html has current aurora maps for any
moment.
Interestingly enough, the "fat part" where the aurora is strongest is
ALWAYS
opposite high-noon (it's always at midnight). That's pretty clear from the
images of the satellite.Although we cannot se the aurora in the daylight because of sunglare,
it can still be detected.As I am writing this, at 21:55 UTC, the fat part is over eastern siberia,
and the pacific ocean between Tazmania and Antarctica.
But when I check back in 12 hours, it will be over Alaska, and the
Antarctic
peninsula (or so).
If the aurora come out through the opening, i would not expect it to move.
You could argue that the inner sun is moving somewhat (or the earth,
depending on your perspective), but that would still not a account for
aurora 180 deg off from the hole.Comments always welcome.....
-alex
> Alex,
>
> I have been re-considering the idea of a mini offset opening. Not so
much
> the part about it being offset, but about it's being mini.
>
>
> One thing that has prompted my thinking is this NASA study
>
> http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast09dec97
>
> which Rod has posted on his site, to the effect that the positively
charged
> ions ( and what else? ) which cause the auroral display, originate from
the
> Earth and are not due to Solar winds, at least not so much. This means
that
> we can now confidently argue ( not just in closets ) the idea that the
> aurorae oringinate in the hollow portion, as did the older writers such
as
> Gardner.
>
> Cater argues that since the auroral display manifests in a circle, then
the
> radiations which cause it must be traveling through circular resistence
as
> they leave the inner Earth, too. Remember that the atmosphere hugs the
Earth
> in a 45 mile band. This means that if the opening were 90 miles or less
wide
> at the neck, then the auroral display should shoot out in a beam, the
> radiations encountering atmospheric resistence all of the way across. If
> the radiations don't, then that suggests that the opening is far broader
at
> the neck, and that the atmosphere thins in the center, such that the
> radiations emanating from the inner sun encounter no resistence in the
> center, and don't disintegrate to our view as they speed out. A curved,
> doughnut opening and thermal differences in atmospherics could account
for
> diffration which spreads out the diameter of the display.
>
> The fact that we can now more freely consider that the inner sun is the
> source of the aurora is what allows us to conclude about the width of
the
> opening.
>
> Dean
>
List members,
The following is a rather significant statement with reference to some
communication which I had with a scientist.Science cannot explain the aurora because science does not recognise the
inner sun, nor the low frequency ( invisible )particles which Cater speaks
of. And neither science, nor hollow Earthers can explain the shifting of
the
ring because they cannot understand Cater's low frequency particles. I
mean
to say that hollow Earthers cannot understand the shifting unless they are
from Cater's school of thought.Here is the exchange:
Oh, about that scientist Alex, he is a real nice guy and partial to the
Hollow Earth Theory. The comments I made about science not understanding the
Hollow Earth Theory did not apply to this fellow Alex.
Dean
Posted by Dean/Dharmapada:
Here is something on underground existences from the introduction the the "
Abductions " page on the site:
On page 175 of Alien Identities, Dr. Richard L Thompson
http://www.afn.org/~bvi ) relates an underground abduction case where the
underground base was accessed through the sea by UFO:
" On the evening of Januray 3, 1979, Cardenas, his friend Fernando Marti,and
Marti's wife and 13 year old daughter were driving around on the outskirts
of Hialeah, looking for a pig they could buy for a roast. They were
unsuccessful, and on the way home their car engine quit.
The two men testified that the lights and starter wouldn't work, and so they
got out and began to look under the hood. At this point, they suddenly saw
red and violet alternating lights reflecting off the engine and heard a
sound like 'many bees.' ... Filiberto felt paralyzed, and he began to rise
in the air shouting " Don't take me, don't take me." Later he recounted a
strange and elaborate story that began when he awoke to find himself
sitting, paralyzed, in the presence of a robot-like being and two men in
tight-fitting suits. ... Filiberto said the alien beings looked quite human.
They had elongated eyes with eyelashes, small flattened noses, long lipless
mouths, and light beards. They also wore a symbol on the right of their
chests, consisting of a serpent on a lazy X.
The story becomes even more extraordinary: The beings proceeded to take
Filiberto to an underground base, traveling beneath the sea at high speed
through a tunnel of " firmed water " that seemed to open in front of the
craft so that water did not touch it. At the base, he met a human who was
working with the aliens, and he was led through what seemed like a city."
Dr. Thompson goes on to relate that Filiberto had several experiences while
in this underground base accessed through the sea, some of them biological,
some of them suggestive of mind control, then he was finally dropped of
again on the surface.
Whoops!
I left out this one. This does not seem to relate to the hollow portion but
rather, some inner shell existence.
Dean/Dharmapada
And here is another account of an underground UFO abduction:
" Betty Andreason ( Alien Identities, page 201 ) recalled being taken in a
UFO through a tunnel bored through solid rock. This tunnel led through a
strange landscape with a view of an ocean, a distant city and a pyramid."
List members,
I am thinking that we all saw this post before, but maybe that was back when
there were five of us, and I don't think that we had much of an idea about
mirages. But mirages are quite typical in the polar area. Mirages are caused
by different thermal layers of air, so it makes you wonder about an opening
to the hollow portion which emanates warmer air.
But this varied collection of testimony is just the tip of the iceberg when
compared with the testimony of men such as Doctor Frederick A Cook, the
discoverer of the North Pole, Admiral Peary and the actual testimony of
Admiral MacMillan himself. The observations of these men have been laid out
and explained very well by others, but I will try to communicate the essence
for the benefit of the reader's understanding.
These three were all active around the Northern tip of Ellesmere Island,
which is also the Northernmost tip of Canada, right next to the tip of
Greenland. The area is only about 6* from the pole. From various points high
up, as well as from across the ice, as much as ten years apart, these three
men observed a mountainous land mass which they described as filling up a
third of the horizon, about 120* around them. They described seeing this
land mass through binoculars, on clear days with blue sky behind the
mountains, with snow topped peaks visible, and always in the same direction.
Admiral Peary mentioned " white summits ... distinctly " on June 28th, 1906.
Admiral Macmillan organized an expedition which traveled across the ice 130
miles after seeing this continent from the heights of Ellesmere Island and
wrote that his observations " resembled in every particular an immense land
" while observing in clear weather with powerful binoculars. He went on to
describe " hills, valleys and snow-capped peaks," all this in April of 1914.
Which brings us to the testimony of Dr. Frederick A Cook. Dr. Cook also
observed this land mass while traveling across the ice. He made a round trip
to the pole and choose a much more Western route, bringing him closer to
the sighting. Dr. Cook also made entries in his log book just as the other
explorers did. Additionally, however, he took some photographs. The
significance of this is that, first of all, we have some visual evidence to
consider, and that second, we actually have a picture of a land mass which
is not exactly on the surface of the Earth, but rather, which fingers its
way up to the rim from within. It is amazing that evidence such as this
could exist. The photographic plates formed a part of the Cook collection in
the U.S. Library of Congress, but by an ironic coincidence, they are
missing. Even so, one single picture remains with us because it is in the
book by Doctor Cook. It was scanned with good resolution by Jan Lamprecht
and included in his book Hollow Planets as Plate 31. The points to be made
with reference to the picture are that it cannot be confused with sea ice on
the horizon, nor with ice islands with mounds atop them, ( which do exist ).
It is a picture of a land mass, confirmed by Eskimo testimony, and answers
to some specific descriptions in the doctor's log book.
The only problem with all of this testimony is that, if one were to go now
to where the land mass was marked by all of these polar explorers, one would
find no solid land there, from what we understand of the region ( from what
we have been told ). The sighting was a mirage, and mirages can be seen over
long distances through thermal layers of air.
This behavior of mirages indicates that the visions seen by Cook Peary and
MacMillan could have had their origin as much as 300 or 350 miles away,
which would put it smack in the area which we have circled in our ring
around the opening. A few hundred miles would put the land mass clear on the
other side of the pole, on the Siberian side of the course followed by the
Amudsen dirgible. Mirage behavior would also explain the previous sightings
from the Northern rim of Alaska and Canada, that they were seen over a
distance, although no land was adjacent to the North American continent.
Nansen experienced a mirage of a sun from the Russian side, just up from the
New Siberian Islands. There are a few hints which suggest that it was a
mirage of the inner sun.
Click on the planets!
The cloud bands of Venus, the direction of the swirls, are definitely
indicative of a hollow planet.
We'll talk about it later.
Dean/Dharmapada
List Members,
The following is something that I snagged from here, just to give credit:
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/mirage.htm
It is that piece on Mirages.
" A mirage can also be the result of a temperature boundary between layers
of air in the sky. If the boundary is not flat, but curved, the mirage will
not only display a mirror image, but act as a lens, and magnify distant
images."
Now, The " mirage " which Nansen saw from the Fram, at about 80* North
latitude and around 138* West, was not expanded. It seemed like a tiny disk
on the horizon to them. The mirage, therefore, didn't seem like a mirage
caused by a temperature difference between boundry layers in the sky. And
this is the only type of mirage that one would expect up in the Arctic,
anyway, since we have recorded evidence of significant and usual temperature
swings.
Therefore, we can conclude that what Nansen saw was not even a mirage of the
inner sun, but rather, the inner sun directly on the horizon of the neck of
the opening, through the mists.
This tells us that the opening stretched over to near 80* above the New
Siberian Islands. Rod's map depicts this fairly well, it is the same one I
have on my site: http://skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index5.html
From NW of Ellesmere, the mirage of land which was seen by Peary, Cook and
Macmillan was further West, so the opening seems to be rather elongated,
stretching from near the pole to where Nansen was, and bounded on the
Canadian side by Amudsen's flight, along 170* East.
Dean/Dharmapada