[allplanets-hollow] Etidorhpa Sundry

please provide a link to the site of reference

thanks

dave

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From: Dean De Lucia

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:03 AM

To: [email protected]

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] Etidorhpa Sundry

List Members,

I mentioned previously that capters 16 - 19 from Etidorhpa were missing, and the chapte which I sent around last night was labeled 16, I believe.

Just to clear things up, 17 - 19 were omitted from the site, and the chapter which I passed around last night was 17. It is now incorporated into the book on the site.

Do download the book for safekeeping. It is a treasure for us hollow Earthers to have the book in digital form. I'll make chapters 18 and 19 available in a day or two, I have to proofread them, and then you can always paste them in the middle of your file.

And I'll work on the table of contents for the illustrations, too- The table of contents for the chapters is accurate.

Dharma/Dean

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dave,

The Book Etidorhpa is the second title down.

http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index13.html

Dharma/Dean

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CHAPTER XVIII.

THE FOOD OF MAN.

“ This leads me to remark,: answered the eyeless seer, “ that you speak without due consideration of previous experience. You are, or should be, aware of other and as marked differences in food products of upper Earth, induced by climate, soil, and cultivation. The potato which, next to wheat, rice or corn, you know supplies nations of men with stachy food, originated as a wild weed in South America and Mexico, where it yet exists as a small, watery, marble-like tuber, and its nearest kindred, botanically, is still poisonous. The luscious apple reached its present excellence by slow stages from knotty, wild astringent fruit, to which it again returns when excaped from cultivation. The cucumber is a near cousin of the griping, medicinal cathartic bitter-apple, or colocynth, and occasionally partakes yet of the properties that result from that unfortunate alliance, as too often exemplified to persons who do not peel it deep enough to remove the bitter, cathartic principle that exists near the surface. Oranges, in their wild condition, are bitter, and are used principally as medicinal agents. Asparagus was once a weed, native to the salty edges of the sea, and as this weed has become a food, so it is possible for other wild weeds yet to do so. Buckwheat is a weed proper, and not a cereal, and birds have learned that the seeds of many other weeds are even preferable to wheat. The wild parsnip is a poison, and the parsnip of cultivation relapses quickly into its natural condition if allowed to escape and roam again. The root of a tapioca plant contains a volatile poison, and is deadly; but when that same root is properly prepared, it becomes a wholesome food, tapioca. The nut of the African anacardium ( cashew nut ) contains a nourishing kernal that is eaten as food by the natives, and yet a drop of the juice of the oily shell upon the skin will blister and produce terrible inflammations; only those expert in the removal of the kernal dare partake of the food. The berry of the berberis vulgaris is a pleasant acid fruit; the bough that bears it is intensely bitter. Such examples might be multiplied indefinitely, but I have cited enough to illustrate the fact that neither the difference in size and structure of the species in the muchroom forest through which we are passing, nor the conditions of these bodies, as compared with those you formerly knew, need excite your astonishment. Cultivate a potato in your former home so that the growing tuber is exposed to sunshine, and it becomes green and acrid, and strongly virulent. Cultivate the spores of the intra-earth fungi about us, on the face of the Earth, and although now all parts of the plant are edible, the species will degenerate, and may even become poisonous. They lose their flavor under such unfavorable conditions, and although some species still retain vitality enough to resist poisonous degeneration, they dwindle in size, and adapt themselves to new and unnatural conditions. They have all degenerated. Here they live on water, pure nitrogen and its modifications, grasping with their roots the carbon of disintegrated limestone, affiliating these substances, and evolving from these substances rich and delicate flavors, far superior to the flavor of earth substance foods. On the surface of the earth, after they become abnormal, they live only on dead and devitalized organic matter, having lost the power of assimilating elementary matter. They then partake of the nature of animals, breathe oxygen and exhale carbonic acid, as animals do, being the reverse of other plant existences. Here they breathe oxygen, nitrogen and the vapor of water; but exhale some of the carbon in combination with hydrogen, thus evolving these delicate ethereal essences instead of the poisonous gas, carbonic acid. Their substance is here made up of all the elements necessary for the support of animal life; nitrogen to make up muscle, carbon and hydrogen for fat, lime and bone. The fungoid forest could feed a multitude. It is probable that in the time to come when man deserts the bleak earth surface, as he will someday be forced to do, as has been the case with frozen planets that are not now inhabited on the frozen crust; nations will march through these spaces on their way from the dreary outside earth to the delights of the salubrious inner sphere. Here then, when that day of necessity appears, as it surely will come under inflexible climatic changes that will control the destiny of outer earth life, these constantly increasing stores adapted to nourish humanity, will be found accumulated and ready for food. You have already eaten of them, for the variety of food which I supplied you has been selected from different portions of these nourishing products which, flavored and salted, ready for use as food, stand intermediate between animal and vegetable, supplying the place of both.”

My instructor placed both hands upon my shoulders, and in silence I stood gazing intently into his face. Then, in a smooth, captivating, entrancing manner, he continued:

“ Can you not see that food is not matter? The material part of bread is carbon, water, gas and earth; the material part of fat is charcoal and gas; the material part of flesh is water and gas, the material part of fruits is mostly water with a little charcoal and gas. The material constituents of all foods are plentiful, they abound everywhere, and yet amid the unlimited, unorganized materials that go to form foods man would starve.

Give a healthy man a diet of charcoal, water, lime salts, and air; say to him ‘ Bread contains no other substance, here is bread, the material food of man, live on this food,’ and yet the man, if he eat of these, will die with his stomach distended. So with all other foods; give man the unorganized material constituents of food in unlimited amounts, and starvation results. No! Matter is not food, but a carrier of food.”

“ What is food? “

“ Sunshine. The grain of wheat is a food by virtue of the sunshine fixed within it. The flesh of animals, the food of living creatures, are simply carriers of sunshine energy. Break out the sunshine and you destroy the food, although the material remains. The growing plant locks the sunshine in its cells, and the living animal takes it out again. Hence it is that after the sunshine of any food is leberated during the metamorphosis of the tissues of an animal although the material part of the food remains, it is no longer a food, but becomes a poison, and then, if it is not properly eliminated from the animal, it will destroy the life of the animal The material then becomes injurious, but it is still material.

“ The farmer plants a seed in the soil, the sunshine sprouts it, nourishes the growing plant, and during the season locks itself to and within its tissues, binding the otherwise dead materials of that tissue together into an organized structure. Animals eat these structures, break them from higher to lower compounds, and in doing so live on the stored up sunshine and then excrete the worthless material side of the food. The farmer spreads these excluded substances over the earth again to once more take up the sunshine in the growing plant organization, but not until it does once more lock in its cells the energy of sunshine can it be a food for that animal.”

“ Is manure a food?” he abruptly asked.

“No.”

“ Is not manure matter?”

“ Yes.”

“ May it not become food again, as a part of another plant, when another season passes?”

“ Yes.”

“ In what else than energy ( sunshine ) does it differ from food?”

“ Water is a necessity,” I said.

“ And locked in each molecule of sunshine there is a mine of sunshine. Liberate suddenly the sun energy from the gases of the ocean held in subjection thereby, and the earth would disappear in an explosion that would reverberate throught the universe. The water that you truly claim to be necessary to the life of man, is itself water by the grace of this same sun, for without its heat water would be ice, dry as dust. ‘Tis the sun that gives life and motion to creatures animate and substances inanimate; he who doubts distrusts his Creator. Food and drink are only carriers of bits of assimilable sunshine. When the fire worshippers kneeled to their god, the sun, they worshipped the great food reservoir of man. When they drew the quivering entrails from the body of a sacrificed victim they gave back to their God a spark of sunshine- it was due sooner or later. They builded well in recognizing the source of all life, and yet they acted badly, for their God asked no premature sacrifice, the inevitable must soon occur, and as all organic life comes to the Sun-God, so back to that the sun-spark must fly.”

“ But they are heathen; there is a God beyond their narrow conception of God.”

“ As there is also a God in the Beyond, past your idea of God. Perhaps to beings of higher mentalities, we may be heathen; but even if this is so, duty demands that we revere God within our intellectual sphere. Let us not digress further; the subject now is food, not the Supreme Creator, and I say to you the food of man and the organic life of man is sunshine.”

He ceased, and I reflected upon his words. All he had said seemed so consistent that I could not deny its plausability, and yet it still appeared altogether unlikely as viewed in the light of my previous earth knowledge. I did not quite comprehend all the semi-scientific expressions, but was at least certain that I could neither disprove nor verify his propositions. My thoughts wandered aimlessly, and I found myself questioning whether man could be prevailied upon to live contentedly in situations such as I was now passing through. In company with my learned and philosophical but fantastically created monitor, I moved on.

Ralph,

There is a ring of truth about that NAZI-UFO connection post, too.

One thing is for sure, the military has a lot more technology than it lets on, and somebody gave it to them.

If the military has underground bases, I wonder if it has contact with anyone or anything else down there.

We know so little. We get bits and pieces of information, and then we're just left to speculate.

Dharma/Dean

Dean: I met Mr. Terziski back in 1994 I think at a UFO conference. He wasn't one of the speakers, but he was there for his own seperate show on the ufos. I didn't see his show , but I did get one of his videos on German UFOs and other technology. He also has the video UFOs of the Third Reich. They make you wonder. Another German site I found very good on Germans and Antarctica is; http://www.mailbox.de/~linke/disks/base211/base02en.htm Some of it you can only download by a zip compressed file. I don't have everything to open those yet. This later site is pretty good. I have a German book on their polar expedition. I also have the German UFO book, but its in German so that didn't help me. Mr. Terziski also claims we nuked the Germans at the S. Pole, but I don't know what evidence he has for that. As far as the moon theory I am not sure. I thought the recent program had some good evidence supporting a hoax. One thing it mentioned was the radiation the astronauts would have faced. The Germans would have had to solve that too. Then there is the book Moongate where the author thinks we did go to the moon, but used and antigravity device to land. There is the book (Somebody Else is On the Moon.) I have the short booklet by Michael X (Danger on the Moon.) There are many photos showing small orbs in the sky that are said to be UFOs. Are they or is this another reflection of multiple lights used for the pictures? One of these is in National Geographic. I still wonder if the moon was ejected somehow from the earth. This could also have happeded in a collision with another planet. Then there is the late Fred Stecklings video showing that there is some atmosphere on the moon and that the gravity may not be one sixth of the earth. From; Ralph

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From:
Dean De Lucia

To: [email protected]

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 4:52 PM

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] NAZI-UFO

Ralph,

There is a ring of truth about that NAZI-UFO connection post, too.

One thing is for sure, the military has a lot more technology than it lets on, and somebody gave it to them.

If the military has underground bases, I wonder if it has contact with anyone or anything else down there.

We know so little. We get bits and pieces of information, and then we're just left to speculate.

Dharma/Dean

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Ralph Wrote:

Dean: I met Mr. Terziski back in 1994 I think at a UFO conference. He wasn't one of the speakers, but he was there for his own seperate show on the ufos. I didn't see his show , but I did get one of his videos on German UFOs and other technology. He also has the video UFOs of the Third Reich. They make you wonder. Another German site I found very good on Germans and Antarctica is; http://www.mailbox.de/~linke/disks/base211/base02en.htm Some of it you can only download by a zip compressed file. I don't have everything to open those yet. This later site is pretty good.

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Dean Writes:

Ralph-

I've looked over the site. I do think that there is more to the NAZI " Aryan " connection that meets the eye. They were certainly interested in Antartica, too, but I just can't agree with some points that the above site makes.

For one thing, if the Germans had bben exposed to that kind of technology by 1936, they might have waited a bit more in order to start WWII. Even if they couldn't maneuever the UFO propulsion system very well, large UFO transports in the role of straght flight would have helped them tremendously. Anyway, that they never significantly introduced the technology between 1936 and 1945 is strange, and that they started the war without incorporating the technology is strange, too.

And submarine transports? Those subs were little more than boats, with cramped quarters. I've toured a couple, they had no room for any type of cargo. They were not the subs of nowadays. They didn't even have enough range to hit the southern US ports without wasting the time of a " milk cow " sub which went along to refuel, and then return home in the middle of the Atlantic, what to speak of leaving German pots for the southern hemisphere. The whole scheme is impossible.

And Neuschawbenland was on the opposite side of Antartica from the Austrailian side- Jim Bowen accompanied Admiral Byrd after the time that Byrd went down there with the aircraft carriers and supposedly had trouble. Jim reported to Mr. Cater that the opening was down from Austrailia, so I am a bit skeptical about the Krauts accessing the opening from the farther side with materials for a base and such.

Ralph wrote:

I have a German book on their polar expedition. I also have the German UFO book, but its in German so that didn't help me. Mr. Terziski also claims we nuked the Germans at the S. Pole, but I don't know what evidence he has for that.

Dean writes:

Like I say, I doubt that the NAZIs could have moved enough down there to neccesitate using a nuclear bomb on them, especially after being without supplies for a couple of years. And saying that it was the NAZIs might just take away attention from what really happened- maybe they ran into the real hollow earthers in UFOs who gave them a pasting. It is more acceptable to have people believe that it was the Germans rather than have to explain that the Earth is hollow with a civilization with superior technology inside.

Ralph wrote:

As far as the moon theory I am not sure. I thought the recent program had some good evidence supporting a hoax. One thing it mentioned was the radiation the astronauts would have faced. The Germans would have had to solve that too.

Dean writes:

There is evidence to support a Moon with quite an atmosphere. That would protect from radiation. Also, most of the radiations from the sun are soft particle radiations. The soft particles camouflage the other type of more harmful particle within.

The Van Allen radiation belt seems to be a back-up above the Earth's surface, the distribution of its particles doesn not allow us to think that they have been captured by the Earth's magnetic pole. If this were the case, then the fat part of the distribution would be at the poles because " particles captured by a magnet have their greatest concentration around the poles." ( Cater )

Anyway, when additional soft particles from the sun hit the belt, these soft particles cough up their hard particles within and astronomers say " Aha! harmful radiation! " But that doesn't mean that the solar system is full of that particular radiation, the sun's radiation is mostly of soft particles. The type of sunshine/radiation which we experience on Earth contains much hard variety, ( the only type we perceve and recognize ), because the soft particles release hard particles when they strike our atmosphere. Then the hard particles start THEIR resdistribution of frequency downwards, at least from violet to blue by the time that they arrive to the surface.

The Moon's atmosphere exhibits a lot of yellow, so that suggests a thicker atmosphere for the particles to undergo such a frequency redistribution until they reach the yellow band, because yellow is lower than blue. So I doubt that the Lunar surface is full of such harmful radiation, the lunar atmosphere screens better than ours!

Our wind patterns are generated by the magnetosphere which snakes along the surface of the planet from node to node, such as a long magnet has- the magnetosphere is not just a broad canopy. The soft particles coming out of our inner sun follow them due to attraction. Sodt particles are negatively charged, air molecules have a slight positive charge, they are not neutral. So the air gets dragged along by the soft particles which follow the magnetic field, hence wind! Keep in mind that their are magnetic fields generated by soft particles which are not perceived by the magnetometers used. The Moon hasn't much of a magnetic field due to its slow rotation, so there isn't much in the way of wind currents.

Even though no astronauts would be much bothered by radiation on the Moon, I doubt that the NAZIs went there. If they could have put a base on the Moon, they could have whipped Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin all together, with one hand tied behind their backs, standing on one foot only, and with a bad case of measles!

Ralph wrote:

Then there is the book Moongate where the author thinks we did go to the moon, but used and antigravity device to land. There is the book (Somebody Else is On the Moon.) I have the short booklet by Michael X (Danger on the Moon.) There are many photos showing small orbs in the sky that are said to be UFOs. Are they or is this another reflection of multiple lights used for the pictures? One of these is in National Geographic. I still wonder if the moon was ejected somehow from the earth. This could also have happeded in a collision with another planet. Then there is the late Fred Stecklings video showing that there is some atmosphere on the moon and that the gravity may not be one sixth of the earth. From; Ralph

Dean writes:

I don't doubt the existence of UFOs on the Moon. Whaddaya think the hollow Mooners walk around eating dust? Even arab camel jockeys don't walk!

Cater asserts not only a lunar atmosphere, but Earth-like gravity, and even cites Stackling. Remember that gravity is generated by an electromagnetic radiation, AND that it is only going to typically penetrate a planet down to a certain strata. So any orb ( say, over 150 miles in diameter ) is going to have the same thickness of gravity strata along its surface. Even asteroids have exhibited Earth-like gravity, what to speak of the Moon.

It is because the gravity of the Moon is generated by the electromagnetic charge beneath its surface that there isn't much of a magnetosphere, by the way. The spinning of the charged crust and atmosphere is what generates the Earth's magnetic field, as in the case of a solenoid, because the Earth is a solenoid, it is a charged, hollow ball. But the Moon has a slow rate of rotation, hence no magnetosphere is generated.

I urge you all to read Cater's book and learn about soft particles and their role in the cosmos. Specifically, learn about the processes of camouflaging hard particles, the redistribution of frequency, and the generation of the gravity-inducing radiation. Then you will be able to pick anything apart and offer a dovetailed, comprehensive view of the cosmos and all astronomical and planetary processes. You'll even be able to argue a case for Etidorhpa! And very well. And Fred Steckling, too! Otherwise, you'll get bogged down and won't be able to sift through things.

I just rapped out all the above without even looking at the book, and I didn't even study science. I studied business administration. If you have any questions while reading the book, the list is right here- Frode can help you all better than I can, and is available except when conversing with his plant from the Amazon.

Cater: http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/Authors/joseph_cater.htm

Dharma/Dean

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Members,

We've been writing a bit on the subject matter of the Nazis in Antartica. It might be interesting for us to consider where the location of the Southern opening might be. Consider the following:

" The Southen Cross expedition wintered at Cape Adare ( 72* South ). During 1899 - 1900 they found that a violent storm would often follow from the Southeast whenever a brillant and active aurora had been seen to the North. This happened too often to be mere coincidence."

Let's examine this statement. Forst of all, I think that we might want to orient ourselves with regards to the location of Cape Adare. Here is an unofficial-type map page which I put together a while ago, just for quick refrence: http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index19.html Look at the forth map down. Cape Adare is located just above where it says Balleny, right at the point where it says " Germany " in tiny type.

If they saw the auroral display to the North, this means that the solar winds were blowing the display in that direction such that the ring emcompassed them and surrounded them from behind, i.e., towards the North.

Then they say that wind, i.e., a violent storm, followed from the Southeast. It is logical that the same place which was the origin of the display was the origin of winds, as auroral displays are a matter of soft particles following the magnetosphere out of the opening and air currents get dragged along by the soft particle flow. This is because soft particles are negatively charged while air molecules have a slight positive charge according to Mr. Cater.

Southeast from Cape Adare corresponds well to the area suggested by Radarsat mapping, an area which gave back weak resonances. This info was culled out by Rod M Cluff and, a Radarsat map was given a red circle by him to indicate the area. I have his image/map posted on the same page above. It is the fifth image down. I'll try to label it real quick.

The location of the red circle, the weak Radarsat resonces, is Southeast from Cape Adare, so the observation from Cape Adare corresponds well to the loacation suggested by Radasat.

Dharma/Dean

Members,

Here is something from the book The Hollow Earth about the curvature changes which occur in relation to the polar opening: http://members.tripod.com/XianRex/hollow/part2.htm

The drawing connected to this piece is at this address and is called " Compacted as if linear ":

http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index6.html

Starting at 70 to 75 degrees north and south latitude the Earth starts to curve IN. The Pole is simply the outer rim of a magnetic circle around the polar opening. The North Magnetic Pole, once thought to be a point in the Arctic Archipelago, has been lately shown by Soviet Arctic explorers to be a line approximately 1000 miles long. However, as we stated above, instead of being a straight line it is really a circular line constituting the rim of the polar opening. When an explorer reaches this rim, he has reached the North Magnetic Pole; and though the compass will always point to it after one passes it, it is really not the North Pole even if one is deluded into thinking it is, or that he discovered the Pole due to having been misled by his compass. When one reaches this magnetic circle (the rim of the polar opening), the magnetic needle of the compass points straight down. This has been observed by many Arctic explorers who, after reaching high latitudes, near to 90 degrees, were dumbfounded by the inexplicable action of the compass and its tendency to point vertically upward. (They were then inside the polar opening and the compass pointed to the Earth's North Magnetic Pole which was along the rim of this opening.
...

A very interesting article on the above subject appeared in the March 1962 issue of "Flying Saucers" magazine, written by its editor, Ray Palmer, who believes that flying saucers come from the hollow interior of the Earth through its polar openings. The article is entitled, "THE NORTH POLE - RUSSIAN STYLE. " It describes remarkable discoveries made by Russian Arctic explorers, which confirm the theory of a hollow earth and polar openings, as do the observations of Arctic explorers to which we shall refer below. The article bears the following subtitle:

" More Evidence of Mystery Lands at the Poles - Two Hundred Years of Exploration Have Given the Russians a New Concept of the Pole and Render all Previous Geographies Obsolete - Here are Indisputable Geophysical Facts!"

We shall now quote from this article:

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"Many readers will remember the articles we have published giving our theories that there is something mysterious about each polar area of the Earth. We have suggested that there is much more "area" at both poles than it is possible to show on a globe map. We have pointed out Admiral Byrd's strange flights `beyond' the poles. We have mentioned the case of missing mountains and different branches of the military discounting the mapping ability of the other. We have even suggested that the Earth is hollow, and that giant 2,100 mile openings exist at the poles, and there is much evidence of the existence of these openings. We have pointed out that there is a great deal of secrecy and double-talk about the Arctic and Antarctic areas. We have even suggested that the flying saucers might come from this mystery area, or from inside the Earth.

Dharma/Dean

<< Dean, why don't you share with us some of the info about
the Daitya? >>

Mike Mott,

Ok, I will.

I second the motion!

Was this character meant to be real or a plot flowing device. If
the latter,
what was that "no eyes" business a metaphor for?

Laura,

Since you second the motion, I definitely will!

Keep in mind that I have been reading the Bhagavat Purana, which is an original book of Vedic/Hindu lore, since the early 70s. When I read Etidorhpa, certain strong correspondences jumped out at me.

Two factions of beings stand out in the Puranic presentation of life in the cosmos- The Adityas, descendents of Aditi, a demigoddess empowered by the cretor Brahma to gender pious prgeny, and the Daityas, the descendents of Diti, her sister, who created impious races and species of life. This faction is known as the Daityas.

The spiritual Master of the Daityas is Venus, but not the one which we know of. The Hindu Venus is known as Shukra, the demigod of pleasure- he is a brahmin by caste, and has daughters, one of whom is named Devayani. Shukra himself is not really evil. One of the freat Vedic sages, Parashara, the father of Hindu astrology, writes in his astrological treatise Parashara Hora " Daitya Guru Shubha ": That the guru of the Daityas is benefic. Shukra is therefore also known as the Daitya Guru. The Daitya Guru is considered merciful because he always carries a scroll and pen in hand for originating religious systems and reformatory rituals and such to the materialists and demons. They are not known for following him very well.

In other words, the followers of Venus are the demons in Puranic lore.

And the demons are said to live in the lower planetary systems, lokas, or worlds. But it is difficult to tell whether these lower worlds are supposed to be planets below ours or worlds below our feet, or both.

So Imagine how I felt when this underground devil type of character shows up and leads the man to experience various underground hells, this demon being some kind of follower of venus! As Mike Mott has pointed out, Etidorhpa is Aphrodite spelled backwards.

In the book, hell is depicted as existing within some type of time dilation because is seemed to last an eternity, but only took seconds, and took place on some type of subtle, ethereal existence. That is exactly how hell is depicted in the vedic literature.

And Etidorhpa depicts these hells as places where " conditioning " goes on, in thie subtle body, it seems. The Vedic literature describes this also, that the conditioning by torment prepares one for his or her future life according to deeds and karma generated in this life. It is described in Etidorhpa that one's subtle body takes on the form which the individual has generated according to his conditioning, starting in this life, and that one's material body can become like a shell around a subtle body which no longer corresponds to it, just as a shoe can hide a trampled and mangled foot with its exterior form, and hide the true nature of the foot. This is pure, unadulterated Puranic philosophy. I heard this same analogy in India from my Indian guru while he was lecturing on the Bhagavat Purana.

So how did all this get written down in the mid 1800s in the book Etidorhpa? Is wasn't actually printed until 1895, but suposedly it sat for 30 years.

That's why I wrote that article " You could Learn a Lot from a Daitya." http://www.skyboom.com/hollowearthpuranas/index13.html It is the first one at the top.

And that is why I tried to show the correspondences not only betwen the natural phenomena described, but between certain Vedic concepts and concepts inherent in the book. These correspondences are unreal, and it just makes me think that there is more to Etidorhpa than meets the eye.

While he does resemble various underworld forms from folklore,
and ufo entities in many regards, the "guide" from Etidorpha is
supposedly possessed of an unknown sense or heightened
awareness which is a result of his origin or transformation into
the form that he has....He 'sees' the particles with his very being,
and all is illuminated for him (symbolic of the Illuminati?).

That he sees though he is eyeless just means that his very brain or even his very body can perceive on the ethereal or prana/soft particle platform and therefore, doesn't need eyes like we have with a retina which just perceives sunlight in a certain band.

I don't think that an exteroir material body is important to him. I got the impression from the book that The-Man-That-Did-It laid his body aside to exist and experience on the ethereal platform ( It's a Brave New World ). In fact, that is what the book says. The Man just animated and re-occuppied his body to come to the surface in order to carry out his mission. The Guide's exterior body must be something like that. It is very funcional and suitable for underground environments, but I don't imagine that he is constantly limited by it, nor that he constantly occupies it: The Guide was quite a mystic.

You Could Learn a Lot from a Daitya.

Dharma/Dean

Dean De Lucia wrote:

CHAPTER XVIII.

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? This leads me to remark,: answered the eyeless seer, ? that you
speak without due consideration of previous experience. You are, or
should be, aware of other and as marked differences in food products
of upper Earth, induced by climate, soil, and cultivation. The potato
which, next to wheat, rice or corn, you know supplies nations of men
with stachy food, originated as a wild weed in South America and
Mexico, where it yet exists as a small, watery, marble-like tuber, and
its nearest kindred, botanically, is still poisonous. The luscious
apple reached its present excellence by slow stages from knotty, wild
astringent fruit, to which it again returns when excaped from
cultivation. The cucumber is a near cousin of the griping, medicinal
cathartic bitter-apple, or colocynth, and occasionally partakes yet of
the properties that result from that unfortunate alliance, as too
often exemplified to persons who do not peel it deep enough to remove
the bitter, cathartic principle that exists near the surface. Oranges,
in their wild condition, are bitter, and are used principally as
medicinal agents. Asparagus was once a weed, native to the salty edges
of the sea, and as this weed has become a food, so it is possible for
other wild weeds yet to do so. Buckwheat is a weed proper, and not a
cereal, and birds have learned that the seeds of many other weeds are
even preferable to wheat. The wild parsnip is a poison, and the
parsnip of cultivation relapses quickly into its natural condition if
allowed to escape and roam again. The root of a tapioca plant contains
a volatile poison, and is deadly; but when that same root is properly
prepared, it becomes a wholesome food, tapioca. The nut of the African
anacardium ( cashew nut ) contains a nourishing kernal that is eaten
as food by the natives, and yet a drop of the juice of the oily shell
upon the skin will blister and produce terrible inflammations; only
those expert in the removal of the kernal dare partake of the food.
The berry of the berberis vulgaris is a pleasant acid fruit; the bough
that bears it is intensely bitter. Such examples might be multiplied
indefinitely, but I have cited enough to illustrate the fact that
neither the difference in size and structure of the species in the
muchroom forest through which we are passing, nor the conditions of
these bodies, as compared with those you formerly knew, need excite
your astonishment. Cultivate a potato in your former home so that the
growing tuber is exposed to sunshine, and it becomes green and acrid,
and strongly virulent. Cultivate the spores of the intra-earth fungi
about us, on the face of the Earth, and although now all parts of the
plant are edible, the species will degenerate, and may even become
poisonous. They lose their flavor under such unfavorable conditions,
and although some species still retain vitality enough to resist
poisonous degeneration, they dwindle in size, and adapt themselves to
new and unnatural conditions. They have all degenerated. Here they
live on water, pure nitrogen and its modifications, grasping with
their roots the carbon of disintegrated limestone, affiliating these
substances, and evolving from these substances rich and delicate
flavors, far superior to the flavor of earth substance foods. On the
surface of the earth, after they become abnormal, they live only on
dead and devitalized organic matter, having lost the power of
assimilating elementary matter. They then partake of the nature of
animals, breathe oxygen and exhale carbonic acid, as animals do, being
the reverse of other plant existences. Here they breathe oxygen,
nitrogen and the vapor of water; but exhale some of the carbon in
combination with hydrogen, thus evolving these delicate ethereal
essences instead of the poisonous gas, carbonic acid. Their substance
is here made up of all the elements necessary for the support of
animal life; nitrogen to make up muscle, carbon and hydrogen for fat,
lime and bone. The fungoid forest could feed a multitude. It is
probable that in the time to come when man deserts the bleak earth
surface, as he will someday be forced to do, as has been the case with
frozen planets that are not now inhabited on the frozen crust; nations
will march through these spaces on their way from the dreary outside
earth to the delights of the salubrious inner sphere. Here then, when
that day of necessity appears, as it surely will come under inflexible
climatic changes that will control the destiny of outer earth life,
these constantly increasing stores adapted to nourish humanity, will
be found accumulated and ready for food. You have already eaten of
them, for the variety of food which I supplied you has been selected
from different portions of these nourishing products which, flavored
and salted, ready for use as food, stand intermediate between animal
and vegetable, supplying the place of both.?

My instructor placed both hands upon my shoulders, and in silence I
stood gazing intently into his face. Then, in a smooth, captivating,
entrancing manner, he continued:

? Can you not see that food is not matter? The material part of bread
is carbon, water, gas and earth; the material part of fat is charcoal
and gas; the material part of flesh is water and gas, the material
part of fruits is mostly water with a little charcoal and gas. The
material constituents of all foods are plentiful, they abound
everywhere, and yet amid the unlimited, unorganized materials that go
to form foods man would starve.

Give a healthy man a diet of charcoal, water, lime salts, and air; say
to him ? Bread contains no other substance, here is bread, the
material food of man, live on this food,? and yet the man, if he eat
of these, will die with his stomach distended. So with all other
foods; give man the unorganized material constituents of food in
unlimited amounts, and starvation results. No! Matter is not food, but
a carrier of food.?

? What is food? ?

? Sunshine. The grain of wheat is a food by virtue of the sunshine
fixed within it. The flesh of animals, the food of living creatures,
are simply carriers of sunshine energy. Break out the sunshine and you
destroy the food, although the material remains. The growing plant
locks the sunshine in its cells, and the living animal takes it out
again. Hence it is that after the sunshine of any food is leberated
during the metamorphosis of the tissues of an animal although the
material part of the food remains, it is no longer a food, but becomes
a poison, and then, if it is not properly eliminated from the animal,
it will destroy the life of the animal The material then becomes
injurious, but it is still material.

? The farmer plants a seed in the soil, the sunshine sprouts it,
nourishes the growing plant, and during the season locks itself to and
within its tissues, binding the otherwise dead materials of that
tissue together into an organized structure. Animals eat these
structures, break them from higher to lower compounds, and in doing so
live on the stored up sunshine and then excrete the worthless material
side of the food. The farmer spreads these excluded substances over
the earth again to once more take up the sunshine in the growing plant
organization, but not until it does once more lock in its cells the
energy of sunshine can it be a food for that animal.?

? Is manure a food?? he abruptly asked.

?No.?

? Is not manure matter??

? Yes.?

? May it not become food again, as a part of another plant, when
another season passes??

? Yes.?

? In what else than energy ( sunshine ) does it differ from food??

? Water is a necessity,? I said.

? And locked in each molecule of sunshine there is a mine of sunshine.
Liberate suddenly the sun energy from the gases of the ocean held in
subjection thereby, and the earth would disappear in an explosion that
would reverberate throught the universe. The water that you truly
claim to be necessary to the life of man, is itself water by the grace
of this same sun, for without its heat water would be ice, dry as
dust. ?Tis the sun that gives life and motion to creatures animate and
substances inanimate; he who doubts distrusts his Creator. Food and
drink are only carriers of bits of assimilable sunshine. When the fire
worshippers kneeled to their god, the sun, they worshipped the great
food reservoir of man. When they drew the quivering entrails from the
body of a sacrificed victim they gave back to their God a spark of
sunshine- it was due sooner or later. They builded well in recognizing
the source of all life, and yet they acted badly, for their God asked
no premature sacrifice, the inevitable must soon occur, and as all
organic life comes to the Sun-God, so back to that the sun-spark must
fly.?

? But they are heathen; there is a God beyond their narrow conception
of God.?

? As there is also a God in the Beyond, past your idea of God. Perhaps
to beings of higher mentalities, we may be heathen; but even if this
is so, duty demands that we revere God within our intellectual sphere.
Let us not digress further; the subject now is food, not the Supreme
Creator, and I say to you the food of man and the organic life of man
is sunshine.?

He ceased, and I reflected upon his words. All he had said seemed so
consistent that I could not deny its plausability, and yet it still
appeared altogether unlikely as viewed in the light of my previous
earth knowledge. I did not quite comprehend all the semi-scientific
expressions, but was at least certain that I could neither disprove
nor verify his propositions. My thoughts wandered aimlessly, and I
found myself questioning whether man could be prevailied upon to live
contentedly in situations such as I was now passing through. In
company with my learned and philosophical but fantastically created
monitor, I moved on.

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Hi Dean,

try www.cyberspaceorbit.com/antmag

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