[allplanets-hollow] Deepest Holesa

Dean,

The information shared by UFOMAN on the description of the geological model
of the earth's cosmogony was an interesting review. I have discussed the
assumptions of the adherants of this concept at many levels for several
years. I have confronted the establishment of academia, as in the dean of
the Physics Department at M.I.T., as well as enthusiastic recent graduates in
the field of geology, and many in between, both in and out of the field.

They proponents of this model have always left these discussions in a mental
state of semi-frustration to that of extreme frustration.

When these individuals are confronted with the contradictory aspects of their
model, both in physical evidence and in mathematical calculation, they have
no concrete or justifiable answers to these conflicting observations. They
know that the model isn't perfect or absolute, but they claim that,
considering the facts they have at hand, it is the best model we have.

By the way, the model is not primarily determined by seismographic readings,
but more so by the mathematical calculations of the Newtonian Theorists which
require the seismographic readings to be thusly interpreted. Remember, by
Newtonian Law, in the equations which calculate the mass or weight of the
earth, it is required that the earth has to weigh a great deal more than what
the average 5.5 grams per cubic centameter of the outer crust material would
weigh if that average weight were applied to the entire volume of the earth.

This, remember, is the faulty Newtonian equation which misrepresents the
required mass of the earth in order to satify the incorrect equation. Thus,
to both satisfy the Newtonian Theory and its equations, along with keeping
true to the seismographic readings, the interpretation of these readings are
extremely biased in favor of explaining the Newtonian weight of the Earth.

With the Newtonian blunder out of the way, the seismographic readings could
even more readily be interpreted as fitting the Hollow Earth model! It is
the Newtonian requirement of weight that dictates the geological three -layer
model of an Outer Crust, made up of dirt and rocks as we know them, an Inner
Layer of molten lead, which satisfies both its liquid nature and the weight
requirement, and the Central Core of a more solid nature, which has been
theorized to be that of a Titanium or a nickel-iron mixture composition,
which satisfies the solid nature along with the even more additional weight
requirement factor in addition to the impervious-to-heat nature of this solid
mass which would be necessary to remain solid in the midst of the 4000 degree
molten lead. Fanciful, isn't it?

This model explanation satisfies all the major obstacles that Newtonian
Seismographers encounter, much to their own peace of mind and self-assurance,
therefore, ignoring the rediculous and fanciful nature of this extreme model.

Unfortunately, this rediculous explanation has been touted and presented as
truth for so long, that the majority of intellectuals in the world just
accept it as unchallenged fact.

However, with the Newtonian demands factored out of the puzzle, then these
extreme weight interpretations would not be required, and more sensable
explanations could be entertained.

The Hollow Earth model fits the same three-layer observation of the
seismographic readings, and it does so with a much more plausable
explanation. When considering the corrected Newtonian equation, the Hollow
Earth Model is the only explanation that makes any sense! The Outer Core, on
which we reside, remains intact, and it basically provides all the weight
necessary to satisfy the corrected Newtonian equation. The Inner Core still
exists with the properties of liquid as suggested by the seismographic
readings. Since gas, or atmosphere, has the same properties of liquid, only
lighter than water, or indeed, molten lead, then it would read as a liquid in
the seismographic readings. The Central Core would be the central sun, solid
enough in nature to read differently on the seismographic picture, but not
nearly as dense or heavy as the required Titanium or Nickel-Iron composite of
Newtonian Lore.

We have to keep in mind that all the scientific theories of the cosmogony of
the earth have been biased in their need to satisfy Newtonian requirements.

The domino effect has biased the interpretation of most every other
observation that comes along. If a satisfactory explanation can't be
formulated, then the observation just goes ignored. Whether in physics, or
geology, or any of the other pertinent sciences, this Newtonian bias has
blocked the progress of true discovery, as far as the nature of the earth is
concerned. This includes the Hollow Earth Theory as well as soft-particle
physics.

Newton was a brilliant individual. But, he make one slight, yet, tragic
error. That error has detoured the focus of the scientific world for
centuries now.

There may be a divine purpose for this misdirection. It's possible that
Newton was directed in making this mistake intentionally. Perhaps it has
allowed for a Utopian Culture to exist in conjuction with that of a much more
aggressive exterior culture. In this Utopian society, perhaps greater
discoveries and talents were allowed to be developed without the interferance
of greedy, conspiring men, who would have monoplized these discoveries at all
costs, and would have distorted the use of these powers and discoveries for
the purpose of greed, power, and control, which typifies the nature of man on
the surface of the earth.

However, with this Utopian Society being well-established, and with the
intellect of mankind on the surface of the earth reaching the crossroads
between truth and tradition, perhaps it's time that these two cultures
combine. It's appears that the Utopian Society is aware of us here on the
surface of the earth, so, perhaps, it's up to us Hollow Earthers to introduce
the rest of the world to the possibility of the existance of this Utopian
Society, with all their wonders and advancements, and this might help to
prepare surface mankind for the adjustments in our society that will be
necessary to co-mingle with the nature of their society.

Something to think about.

Norlan

--- In allplanets-hollow@y..., Norlan2000@a... wrote:

Dean,
The information shared by UFOMAN on the description of the

geological model

of the earth's cosmogony was an interesting review. I have

discussed the

assumptions of the adherants of this concept at many levels for

several

years. I have confronted the establishment of academia, as in the

dean of

the Physics Department at M.I.T., as well as enthusiastic recent

graduates in

the field of geology, and many in between, both in and out of the

field.

Norlan,

You are a brave soul. I personally feel that people at this level are
not exactly sincere, that they are part of the infiltration that has
taken place, and that they hold back the truth and channel research
in their own way.

I´ll give them credit though- given the way that people are now and
the way things are right now, the surface population is hardly ready
to assimilate the truth about gravity and antigravity, nor about the
hollow earth, nor about the civilization living there.

They proponents of this model have always left these discussions in

a mental

state of semi-frustration to that of extreme frustration.

When these individuals are confronted with the contradictory

aspects of their

model, both in physical evidence and in mathematical calculation,

they have

no concrete or justifiable answers to these conflicting

observations. They

know that the model isn't perfect or absolute, but they claim that,
considering the facts they have at hand, it is the best model we

have.

Yes- They stand by some grossly absurd models and brush off attempts
to point out exactly how off track their model is by saying that "
more research is necessary." Then they ask you to be " reasonable "
and say that you are being fanatic.

By the way, the model is not primarily determined by seismographic

readings,

but more so by the mathematical calculations of the Newtonian

Theorists which

require the seismographic readings to be thusly interpreted.

Remember, by

Newtonian Law, in the equations which calculate the mass or weight

of the

earth, it is required that the earth has to weigh a great deal more

than what

the average 5.5 grams per cubic centameter of the outer crust

material would

weigh if that average weight were applied to the entire volume of

the earth.

Norlan,

I thought that it was the Cavendish experiments which determined the
mass of our planet and which determined the way in which
seismographic readings have to be interpreted.

This is important for us to know. Could we clear this up, could you
comment on this? Maybe Scott has a comment or two is he isn´t
completely frustrated with me by now. # ; ^ )

The orthodox, solid planet model is not that hard to disprove. Jan
Lamprecht does it very well in his book Hollow Planets. the difficult
part has to do with establishing a viable, hollow earth model. I feel
that Cater does this by employing his Redistribution of Frequency
concept, such that soft particles are formed,then penetrate and
release heat and light within the shell to drive geological
processes.

I put up an article outling Cater´s model called A Comprehensive,
Hollow Earth, Geological Model.

http://skywebsite.com/hollow/hollowearthscience/

Anyway, be careful about dealing sincerely with snakes. The dean of
physics at MIT is there for a reason. I think that you should get
some counselling from Dennis.

Later,

Dharma/Dean

This, remember, is the faulty Newtonian equation which

misrepresents the

required mass of the earth in order to satify the incorrect

equation. Thus,

to both satisfy the Newtonian Theory and its equations, along with

keeping

true to the seismographic readings, the interpretation of these

readings are

extremely biased in favor of explaining the Newtonian weight of the

Earth.

With the Newtonian blunder out of the way, the seismographic

readings could

even more readily be interpreted as fitting the Hollow Earth

model! It is

the Newtonian requirement of weight that dictates the geological

three -layer

model of an Outer Crust, made up of dirt and rocks as we know them,

an Inner

Layer of molten lead, which satisfies both its liquid nature and

the weight

requirement, and the Central Core of a more solid nature, which has

been

theorized to be that of a Titanium or a nickel-iron mixture

composition,

which satisfies the solid nature along with the even more

additional weight

requirement factor in addition to the impervious-to-heat nature of

this solid

mass which would be necessary to remain solid in the midst of the

4000 degree

molten lead. Fanciful, isn't it?

This model explanation satisfies all the major obstacles that

Newtonian

Seismographers encounter, much to their own peace of mind and self-

assurance,

therefore, ignoring the rediculous and fanciful nature of this

extreme model.

Unfortunately, this rediculous explanation has been touted and

presented as

truth for so long, that the majority of intellectuals in the world

just

accept it as unchallenged fact.

However, with the Newtonian demands factored out of the puzzle,

then these

extreme weight interpretations would not be required, and more

sensable

explanations could be entertained.

The Hollow Earth model fits the same three-layer observation of the
seismographic readings, and it does so with a much more plausable
explanation. When considering the corrected Newtonian equation,

the Hollow

Earth Model is the only explanation that makes any sense! The

Outer Core, on

which we reside, remains intact, and it basically provides all the

weight

necessary to satisfy the corrected Newtonian equation. The Inner

Core still

exists with the properties of liquid as suggested by the

seismographic

readings. Since gas, or atmosphere, has the same properties of

liquid, only

lighter than water, or indeed, molten lead, then it would read as a

liquid in

the seismographic readings. The Central Core would be the central

sun, solid

enough in nature to read differently on the seismographic picture,

but not

nearly as dense or heavy as the required Titanium or Nickel-Iron

composite of

Newtonian Lore.

We have to keep in mind that all the scientific theories of the

cosmogony of

the earth have been biased in their need to satisfy Newtonian

requirements.

The domino effect has biased the interpretation of most every other
observation that comes along. If a satisfactory explanation can't

be

formulated, then the observation just goes ignored. Whether in

physics, or

geology, or any of the other pertinent sciences, this Newtonian

bias has

blocked the progress of true discovery, as far as the nature of the

earth is

concerned. This includes the Hollow Earth Theory as well as soft-

particle

physics.

Newton was a brilliant individual. But, he make one slight, yet,

tragic

error. That error has detoured the focus of the scientific world

for

centuries now.

There may be a divine purpose for this misdirection. It's possible

that

Newton was directed in making this mistake intentionally. Perhaps

it has

allowed for a Utopian Culture to exist in conjuction with that of a

much more

aggressive exterior culture. In this Utopian society, perhaps

greater

discoveries and talents were allowed to be developed without the

interferance

of greedy, conspiring men, who would have monoplized these

discoveries at all

costs, and would have distorted the use of these powers and

discoveries for

the purpose of greed, power, and control, which typifies the nature

of man on

the surface of the earth.

However, with this Utopian Society being well-established, and with

the

intellect of mankind on the surface of the earth reaching the

crossroads

between truth and tradition, perhaps it's time that these two

cultures

combine. It's appears that the Utopian Society is aware of us here

on the

surface of the earth, so, perhaps, it's up to us Hollow Earthers to

introduce

the rest of the world to the possibility of the existance of this

Utopian

Society, with all their wonders and advancements, and this might

help to

prepare surface mankind for the adjustments in our society that

will be

···

necessary to co-mingle with the nature of their society.

Something to think about.

Norlan

OIL/GAS primordial. -Thomas
Gold
Dean, Ralph, Norlan, Scott, Frode, Forster
and everyone else...

   Some

of you may already be aware of the following. But for me it was an
eye opener about Thomas Gold's assertion that Earth's OIL and Gas are
PRIMORDIAL. Didn't even know the famous Colonel Prouty had a website
and was supporting ALTERNATE views on science. Prouty's website
was among those in that huge collection recently posted by Ralph from
Barkayren's site.
Whether this data also supports Cater,
Etidorhpa and the HE, I am not certain. It doesn't conflict. But
it certainly lends credence to Churchward's notion that the enormous
volumes of gases within the crust are PRIMORDIAL
. Yet Churchward
apparently was not aware that OIL too was primordial and undoubtedly
formed by various gases chemically combining deep in the earth to
form the liquid hydrocarbons we call OIL. (See my added comments
below following all the text on the Prouty website). Awaiting
comments by the rest of you. - Dick

···
 The

following is from the website of Col. Fletcher Prouty (The "man
on the bench" in Stone's JFK movie), discussing Dr. Thomas
Gold's theory that OIL and GAS deposits are nearly INEXHAUSTIBLE
"PRIMORDIAL" deposits (that "came with the earth"
at its beginning), and unlike coal, are NOT derived from ancient
fossil life... "The oil wells in Pennsylvania that were
pumped out dry at the turn of the century and capped are now filled
with oil again."

L. Fletcher Prouty: "... (1978) the Common Market Energy
boss, M. Montibrial of France, told us that while petroleum was being
marketed then for $20.00 per barrel or more, it cost no more than 25
cents per barrel at the well-head. There is our petroleum problem! We
were paying more than $1.50-$1.60 per gallon, one 42nd of a barrel,
at that time. Interested folks need to learn more about the Chartered
Institute of Transport, and not waste their time with OPEC, the
"Cover" story."

   -

From Dick Fojut, [email protected]



(On Prouty's website) Letter of
the Month - July 1999


The Origins of Oil and
Petroleum

http://www.astridmm.com/prouty/index.

(Above opens Col
Prouty's main web page. Click on
"Letters" bottom of left side banner, for the same text
included below)


Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:54:57 PDT

From: "Daniel E. Reynolds"

Subject: Oil - A REWEWABLE and ABIOTIC FUEL?

On June 20th, 1996 Col. Prouty stated...

"Oil is often called a 'fossil' fuel;
the idea being that it comes from formerly living organisms. This may
have been plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil
layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of oil are
found in deeper wells that are found below the level of any fossils.
How could then oil have come from fossils, or decomposed former
living matter, if it exists in rock formations far below layers of
fossils - the evidence of formerly living organisms? It must not come
from living matter at all!"

Two days after I read his statement I encountered the following
statement in a newspaper I deeply respect:

"Any geologist will tell you, well,
most geologists will tell you that OIL IS CREATED BY THE MAGMA OF THE
EARTH. The oil wells in Pennsylvania that were pumped out dry at the
turn of the century and capped are now filled with oil
again."

Say what?


I would be honored if Col Prouty could provide me with just a few
additional leads to MORE DOCUMENTATION BACKING UP HIS ASSERTION. A
search of the US libraries (via computer) has turned up the name of
Professor Thomas Gold who wrote a book entitled:

"Power from the Earth".

I tried to contact Marc J. Defant, a
Volcanologist who teaches at the University of Southern Florida, but
he is in Russia -- probably drilling for OIL PRODUCED BY
MAGMA!!!

Professor Gold's book has been requested
via interlibrary loan.

I certainly believe Col Prouty is telling the truth -- as he knows it
-- personally! Well, I seek the TRUTH -- and when I find it -- I
teach it to all who desire to hear it -- as best I can.
Thank you for taking time to read my request. If, Col Prouty can find
the time to read it too -- and he chooses to share additional
information with me -- I shall be most grateful.
Sincerely,
Daniel E. Reynolds July 29, 1996


Here is Col. Prouty's
response
.


Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:16:04 -0400 From: Col. L. Fletcher Prouty
To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Reynolds letter

This response is for Daniel E. Reynolds, 29 July 1996 on the subject
of "Oil - A renewable and abiotic Fuel?"

Dan, your use of the word "abiotic" is good. As a
non-fossil fuel, petroleum has no living antecedent. It contains
chemical elements found in living matter; but it is not
"formerly living matter." There has not been enough true
"formerly living matter"through all of creation to account
for the volume of petroleum that has been consumed to
date.

My background in this subject goes back to
1943. I was the pilot who flew a U.S. Geological Survey Team from
Casablanca to Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. We met the Cal. Standard Oil
team holding down that lease. Then we went back to Cairo to meet
President Roosevelt during the Nov. 1943 "Cairo Conference"
with Churchill and Chiang Kai Shek. FDR ordered the immediate
construction of an oil refinery there for WW II use. This led to
ARAMCO.

During the "Energy Crisis" of
the 1970's I was detailed to represent the U.S. Railroad industry as
a member of the "Federal Staff Energy Seminar" program
started by the Center for Strategic and International Studies,
sponsored by Georgetown University. That began in Jan 1974 and
continued for four years. It was designed to discuss "the
working of the United States national energy system, and new horizons
of energy research." Among the regular attendees were such men
as Henry Kissinger and James Schlesinger...most valuable meetings.

During one meeting we took a "Buffet Break" and I was
seated with Arthur Kantrowitz of the AVCO Company..."Kantrowitz
Labs" near Boston. At the table with us were four young
geologists busily talking about Petroleum. At one point one of them
made reference to "Petroleum as organic matter, and a fossil
fuel." Right out of the Rockefeller bible.

Kantrowitz turned to the geologist beside him and asked, "Do you
really believe that petroleum is a fossil fuel?" The man
said,"Certainly" and all four of them joined in. Kantrowitz
listened quietly and then said, "The deepest fossil ever found
has been at about 16,000 feet below sea level; yet we are getting oil
from wells drilled to 30,000 and more. How could fossil fuel get down
there? If it was once living matter, it had to be on the surface. If
it did turn into petroleum, at or near the surface,how could it ever
get to such depths? What is heavier Oil or Water?" Water: so it
would go down, not oil. Oil would be on top, if it were
"organic" and "lighter."

"Oil is neither."

They all agreed water was heavier, and therefore if there was some
crack or other open area for this "Organic matter" to go
deep into the magma of Earth, water would have to go first and oil
would be left nearer the surface. This is reasonable. Even if we do
agree that "magma" is a "crude mixture of minerals or
organic matters, in a thin pasty state" this does not make it
petroleum, and if it were petroleum it would have stayed near the
surface as heavier items, i.e. water seeped below.

My D. Van Nostrand "Scientific Encyclopedia" says
"Magma is the term for molten material. A natural, complex,
liquid, high temperature, silicate solution ancestral to all igneous
rocks,both intrusive and effusive. The origin of Magma is not
known." My "Oxford English Dictionary" does not even
have the word "Magma."

Some years ago I wrote two or three pages that appeared in the McGraw
Hill Yearbook of Science and Technology, i.e. "Railroad
Engineering." Even that source is a bit uncertain about
the"origin of petroleum" to wit:

"Less than 1% of the organic matter that originates in or is
transported to the marine environment is eventually incorporated into
ocean sediment," and

"Most petroleum is formed during catagenesis (undefined
anywhere). If sufficient organic matter is present oceanic sediments
that undergo this process are potential petroleum sources. Deeply
buried marine organic matter yields mainly oil, whereas land plant
material yields mainly gas." (Their idea of "deeply
buried" is the "out.")

All this leaves us no where. I still go
with Kantrowitz. Since oil is lighter than water, everywhere on
Earth, there is no way that petroleum could be an organic, fossil
fuel that is created on or near the surface, and penetrate Earth
ahead of water. Oil must originate far below and gradually work its
way up into well-depth areas accessible to surface drilling. It comes
from far below. Therefore, petroleum is not a "Fossil" fuel
with a surface or near surface origin.

It was made to be thought a "Fossil" fuel by the Nineteenth
oil producers to create the concept that it was of limited supply and
therefore extremely valuable. This fits with the
"Depletion"allowance philosophical scam.

During one of our C.S.I.S.
"International Nights" (1978) the Common Market Energy
boss, M. Montibrial of France, told us that while petroleum was being
marketed then for $20.00 per barrel or more, it cost no more than 25
cents per barrel at the well-head. There is our petroleum problem! We
were paying more than $1.50-$1.60 per gallon, one 42nd of a barrel,
at that time. Interested folks need to learn more about the Chartered
Institute of Transport, and not waste their time with OPEC, the
"Cover" story.

Those who pumped the Pennsylvania wells "dry" during the
late eighteen hundreds saved what they had for those better
days.

L. Fletcher Prouty
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FOLLOW-UP-LETTER-- -- -- --

Subject: FACTS, FACTS, and MORE FACTS! To: Col Prouty Priority:
Normal

Dear Len (and Col Prouty)

Stimulated by Col Prouty's assertion that OIL IS A NON-FOSSIL FUEL --
I put my roadster in high gear -- and went prospecting for some SOLID
support! Well, I'm hear to tell you both, I DO BELIEVE I've FOUND IT

  • in spades!

Item #1: A MAGNIFICENT BOOK!!!!

TITLE: Power from the Earth Deep Earth Gas -- Energy for the Future
by Thomas Gold [J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd, London, 1987] ISBN
0-460-04462-1

May I quote a few lines from from the front cover of the book ... a
few words ... on

JUST WHO THIS GUY THOMAS GOLD AND WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ON THIS
SUBJECT!

"Professor Thomas Gold is one of the great scientific thinkers
of our time and in Power from the Earth he puts forward a highly
revolutionary and controversial theory.

According to Gold, there are within the Earth virtually limitless
stores of energy in the form of gas and oil as yet untapped. This
energy is of non-biological origin and there is far more of it in the
Earth than geologists have ever imagined -- and IT IS ACCESSIBLE!

--- Score 1 for Col Prouty!

At a time when the future supply of traditional fossil fuels is said
to be seriously limited and nuclear energy is becoming ever more
suspect, Gold's theory has vast implications for the future of the
Earth's energy supplies and is crucial to our understanding of the
deep processes that cause earthquakes and volcanoes. His view also
clearly has far reaching consequences for the economic and political
shape of the world.

--- Score 2 for Col Prouty!

In the past Professor Gold has explained the nature of pulsars and
solar flares, proved that the Earth's poles change position over
time, made new discoveries about the workings of the human inner ear,
and was the only scientist to predict that Moon's surface consists of
dust. His new theory has already been grabbing the attention of the
international press and a drilling operation has been started in
Sweden on the basis of his idea.

In Power from the Earth Professor Gold puts forward one of the most
important scientific ideas of our age."

--- Well, having read the book, I can say I certainly concur with
THAT OPINION. And guess what -- Dr. Gold is a friend of Arthur K. of
AVCO LABS, etc....! BULLSEYE!

--- Score 3 for Col Prouty!

WHO IS THIS MAN....well listen up...

"Professor Thomas Gold, FRS, was born in Austria and educated in
Switzerland and England, where he became famous as an astronomer at
Cambridge in the post-war years. In 1956 he moved to the United
States to become a professor at Harvard. He later became Professor of
Astronomy at Cornell University, where he founded and directed the
world-famous Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He is a
Fellow of the Royal Society and of the United States National Academy
of Sciences, and in 1985 was awarded the Gold Medal by the Royal
Astronomical Scoiety. He now lives in Cambridge, England and is an
Honorary Fellow of Trinity College."

Not bad. Not bad at all.

In fact, I'm honored to have made his acquaintance.

---- Score 4 for Col Prouty

& a Hearty THANK YOU TO DR. GOLD.

They say -- he coined the term magnetosphere in '59! I wonder what HE
THINKS is causing those black outs out West??? Falling tree limbs?
Now THAT's an interesting hypothesis! Maybe a bird took out the TWA?
Hey, it's just a theory, just a theory...


Ok ... now ... I hear some one murmuring

... "Well, if his Ideas are so good, so right, so profound --
SURELY THEY'VE MADE THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE ...REFEREED JOURNAL
ARTICLES ... you know ... and all that. I mean ... if it's REEEEEEAL
SCIENCE surely it's been recognized around the world!"

As a matter of fact, it has!

My I introduce you both (if you have not been so introduced prior to
this letter) to the work and writings of P.N. Kropotkin...

Ref: Kropotkin, P. N. (1985) Degassing of the Earth and the Origin of
Hydrocarbons, published in the International Geology Review, 27,
1261-1275

P.N. Kroptkin -- who is with the Geological Institute of the USSR
Academy of Sciences, Moscow, it says in the header "has long
been a leading proponent of the INORGANIC ORIGIN OF PETROLEUM, a
THEORY which has had a continuous tradition of support in Russia and
the Soviet Union and a recent revival in the United States and
Western Europe."

Oh, well, better late than never!


THIS PAPER IS LOADED WITH FACTS! Anyone who thinks that Col Prouty or
Dr. Gold are spinning some kind of yarn ... HAD BEST READ IT -- ASAP.
WE ARE BEING OFFERED AN IMMORTAL SYMPHONY BY THESE MEN -- and I for
one LOVE the Sound of THIS MUSIC!

May I share just one quote from the work of P.N. Kroptkin... from
page 1265 ... just one of many many AWESOME FACTS IN THIS SCIENTIFIC
DOCUMENT...

"Commerical oil pools in the basement rocks have been recorded
in 267 oil and gas deposits on different continents. In some, oil is
present at a depth of several hundred meters from its surface; in the
USSR, such pools are known in a number of areas. A detailed analysis
of the geological environment suggests that in some of these
deposits, OIL COULD NOT HAVE ENTERED THE POOLS FROM THE OIL-BEARING
STRATA OF THE SEDIMENTARY COVER AND, CONSEQUENTLY, PENETRATED FROM
BELOW ALONG FAULTS.

---Score a HOME RUN for Col Prouty and Dr. Gold!!!!

Such is the Borolla deposit with pools in
the Precambrian granites of the Shillong plateau (eastern India), the
Peace River deposit in Western Canada associated with faults in the
basin of the Athabasca River which border the zone of the
pericratonic tough of the Canadian Shied, and the gigantic deposits
of the Hugoton-Panhandle region of the USA and the
Augila-Nafoora-Amal deposit in Libya. In the Hugoton-Panhandle
deposit, the upper Paleozoic sediments and the basement rocks
contain, in addition to oil, 2000 billion m^3 of fuel gases and 10
billion m^3 of helium and its concentration in such vast amounts over
a small area may be explained, as earlier noted by V. I. Vernadskiy,
solely by the migration of gas from a great depth, where faults drain
huge volumes of rocks of the lithosphere."


May I make a simple REQUEST TO COL PROUTY...

Sir. Please continue to provide YOUR PROVOCATIVE MATERIAL...and OFFER
US THE FACTS, as YOU KNOW THEM. Those of us out in this media-blitzed
wilderness LOVE TO DO RESEARCH. WE WILL EFFORT to track down the
details and WE WILL DO OUR PART but KNOW WE NEED GUIDANCE and we beg
you to continue to shine YOUR VERY BRIGHT AND WISDOM FILLED LIGHT on
the ROAD A AHEAD FOR US, OFFERING JUST A LITTLE DIRECTION, NOW AND
THEN! We are OVER-UNITY 'MACHINES' ... and WE SHALL NOT FAIL
YOU!

THANK YOU.
My very BEST to you both of you & Len!
SALU.
Daniel Reynolds Joyously Walking the grounds on which the Wright
Brothers grew to fame, and VERY HAPPLY to be able to say so -- this
day!

**Petroleum Disscussion Update for March 1997

FOSSIL-FUEL THEORY DEBUNKED: OIL, GAS DEPOSITS CALLED PRIMORDIAL**
by Toldedo Blade

SEATTLE - The public's most widely known piece of geological
knowledge--how petroleum and natural-gas deposits formed on
Earth---is false, a noted scientist says. Surprisingly, his campaign
to rewrite school textbooks and encyclopedias is getting grudging
support from some geologists, who acknowledge that petroleum's
origins may be dramatically different than what people
believe.

Millions of Americans learned in grade school that oil deposits
originated in the age of dinosaurs, when vegetation in lush forests
was buried and subjected to high heat and pressure. Those extreme
conditions supposedly transformed the hydrocarbons in vegetation into
the hydrocarbons of petroleum.

"That's nonsense," snapped Thomas Gold, a scientist at
Cornell University. "There's not a shred of evidence from
chemistry, geology, or any other science to support it. It has no
place in textbooks and school classrooms."

In appearances at the annual meeting of The American Association for
the Advancement of Science in Seattle here that ended Thursday, Gold
repeatedly challenged geologists to reconsider and reject the
conventional theory.

Gold also presented evidence that oil and gas deposits on Earth are
primordial. That means they came with the planet. They were part of
the original raw material that formed the sun and planets, and
deposited deep below Earth's surface when the planet formed 4.5
billion years ago.

Some of the oil gradually oozes upward from these original deposits
100 to 200 miles below the surface and collects where oil drillers
can reach it.

In one presentation, Gold described shafts that he and associates
drilled in an ancient meteorite impact crater in Sweden. They drilled
into a kind of rock that was not sedimentary, not associated with the
sediments believed to produce oil deposits. At a depth of about 4
miles, they encluntered a hydrocarbon oil similar to light petroleum
that Gold believes was primordial oil. He noted a variety of evidence
to support the belief. Gold estimated that this single site contained
"more petroleum than all of Saudi Arabia." With current
technology, however, pumping it out would be impossible, he added.
Gold contended that many other planets and planetary bodies in the
solar system have similar deep deposits of hydrocarbons, which are
the stuff of oil and natural gas. Gold argues that a primordial
origin for petroleum is the only way to explain its chemical
composition.

Petroleum originating from plant matter decayed by bacteria, similar
to bacteria that decay backyard garden-compost piles, would resemble
a microbial product. Instead, petroleum is chemically similar to a
pure hydrocarbon that has been contaminated with microbial material.
That contamination, he argues, occurred as petroleum seeped upward
through rock now known to contain enormous amounts of bacterial life.
In moving upward, petroleum also collected helium, explaining why oil
wells are such a rich source of helium.

"This is the only possible explanation," Gold said.
"The association of helium with petroleum has not been accounted
for in any other way."

How do geologists respond?

They're beginning to listen, according to
Michael Carr, who appeared on a panel where Gold presented his
theory. Carr is a scientist with the U.S. Geological Survey in
Reston, Va. "Dr. Gold has some very, very good evidence,
especially that involving helium," Carr said. "He certainly
is challenging the geological community. There is a debate within the
geological community." Carr said geologists plan to reconsider
the conventional theory about petroleum formation at a major meting
later in the year.


Once again, Prouty's assertions are backed
by solid, credible people, and the next time Warren Commission
apologists pooh-pooh Prouty, citing Prouty's "obviously
ridiculous" views on petrol, just refer them to the above
article. End of the Prouty website letters.



  **P.S.

from Dick Fojut... Col. James Churchward (who died in 1936), author
of the 2 volume set "COSMIC FORCES OF MU," would
undoubtedly support Thomas Gold's assertion that GAS (and OIL)
deposits are primordial, not fossil derived.**

  Especially

see the related paragraph further below: COAL BEDS FORMED
FROM INDIRECT EMPTYING OF GASES.**

  I'm

repeating myself again, but Churchward, described the "birth of
the earth" from a beginning nebula of hot elementary gases,
gathered from space, being worked to a center by a centripetal
force
. A vortex. From the center the gases rebounded outward to
impact against incoming gases about the middle of the nebula.
At that impact point, some of the "heavier" gases
chemically and mechanically combined through fusion and cooled to
form the first line of crystals. Earth's first crust. Against
that initial line of crystals, "heavier" rock-forming gases
began to join and fuse, from BOTH sides simultaneously. The inside
gases fused and accumulated to form the unstratified primary
foundation granite. The fusing outside gases gradually formed the
secondary Gneiss rocks, being laid down in layers because the crust
was rolling.

  Churchward

contended that when the primary granite rock crust formed by fusion,
the "Archaen" foundation granite was composed of "rock
forming" chemical unions and mechanical compounds of 6 elements
only (Oxygen, Aluminum, Silicon, Magnesium, Calcium, and
Potasslum).
Yet also "trapped" inside the solidifying
outside crust were volumes of other (lighter) non-solidifying gases,
including Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Carbon, etc. These gases did not
go into the makeup of the primary foundation granite rock. But room
space in the molten and semi-molten granite had to be provided for
these gases. According to Churchward, the granite rock solidified
AROUND bubbles of these "free" gases, encasing them..From
geological evidence, Churchward estimated that these gas bubbles of
all conceivable sizes (comparable in appearance to a Swiss cheese
before compacting), occupied more than HALF the volume of the
forming crust
. Many of these gases combined to form bubbles of
explosive volcanic gases. (Like Gold, extrapolating his primordial
gas and oil theory to include all other planets, Churchward suggested
that the crusts of all other planets in the universe were probably
formed similarly to the way he described for earth, which seems in
general agreement with Gold.)


(Note that some of those gases listed above that did NOT go into the
makeup of the primary granite rocks, but combined to form explosive
compounds in pockets, are the same that could chemically combine to
form liquid OIL hydrocarbons. Churchward's "etc." included
HELIUM, that Gold pointed out is so often found with Oil
deposits.)

  **VERTICAL

CRACKS OPENED EVERYWHERE**.

  Later, with

the overall cooling of Earth's crust, weak places between the planes
of crystals gave way and long vertical cracks and fissures opened up
EVERYWHERE in Earth's crust, forming passageways connecting the gas
filled bubbles. By that time, due to the earth's rolling and
increasing centrifugal force, the bubbles flattened in extent,
with reduced height
. Some gas filled chambers could be measured
with a foot rule. Most were less than 400 feet from roof to floor,
but some were undoubtedly miles in height. And in some cases the
horizontal extent of some also measured thousands of
miles.

  From the

beginning to the present, Earth's great centrifugal force has been
"working out," (upward), emptying the deep molten
"center" layer and the hard crust, of these volumes of
gases through the vertical cracks and fissures.

  This

"working out" of the gases began prior to the cooling and
combining of the "lighter" outside gases that eventually
formed Earth's atmosphere and waters. (At first not a rock was
elevated above the boiling waters covering the entire Earth,
according to Churchward.)

  **RAISING

THE ROCKS ABOVE WATER LEVEL**.

  Earth's

centrifugal force drove the gases still in the molten matter and in
lower bubbles of the still soft crust, upward through the fissures,
into the upper chambers that were formed under the rocky surface, and
just under the Gneiss layers, OVERcompressing those upper gas
chambers. The still soft rocks in the "roofs" of the
chambers would be forced up higher and higher (above water level) by
the added volumes of gases being driven in, until the thinning rock
and Gneiss in the roofs gave way, rupturing through as a temporary
volcanic cone. "Temporary" because at this early time in
Earth's development, the pliable rocks in the upraised volcanic cones
were not compacted and hard enough yet, to fall back on themselves to
form supporting triangles and stay elevated.

  **THE

FORMING OF SEDIMENTARY ROCKS**.

  Once the

supporting gases had escaped, the roof rocks would come crashing to
the chamber floor and water would fill the hole. In time the weight
of the water on the fallen roof would create a new SEDIMENTARY rock.
And that, according to Churchward, is precisely how almost all of
Earth's sedimentary rock layers came to be formed.

  Repeated

succeeding uplifts of the roofs of live gas filled chambers just
below the collapsed chambers, raised the lower roofs (along with each
of the flattened collapsed chamber rocks on top) again above water
level, temporarily. For periods of time the exposed cracked and
sliced up rocks forced above above water level would erode to form
sand and soil, preparing the surface to be capable of supporting
future life forms. But before long, through direct volcanic eruption
or indirect emptying, the emerged roof would collapse and be
submerged again.

  Over

countless millions of years this continual uplifting, blowing out and
submerging of the roofs of miles deep of the upper rows of gas
chambers, resulted in "pancaked" upper crustal rock layers
becoming more and more COMPACT, free of sizeable chambers. The
thickened upper crust rock layers resisted the gases easily punching
through vertically as before.
"Nature" and the centrifugal
force began to drive the gases HORIZONTALLY, opening connecting
cracks and passageways laterally between chambers, some 10 to 15
miles below the surface, forming giant, irregular GAS BELT tunnels,
while searching for a weak spot in the rocks
above.


MOUNTAIN RANGES WERE UPLIFTED ABOVE GAS BELT
TUNNELS.

Churchward claimed these GAS BELT tunnels did not begin forming until
about 20,000 years back, and then only in a preliminary manner. Until
that very recent time, Earth's upper rock layers were not
sufficiently compacted and hard enough to resist being forced up and
punctured.

With the "pancaked" rocks above resisting, the gases were driven
along laterally under enormous pressure, forcing the rocks of the
tunnel roofs upward and with the roofs, MILES THICK of the all
the compacted rock layers above, to form "MOUNTAIN RANGES"
protruding above the surface.
As from a burrowing mole, the
layers of compacted rocks above were uplifted, some thousands of
feet, but not high enough to rupture through. The now hard,
compacted rock layers, after being uplifted at angles, as gases
passed on through the belt beneath relieving upward pressure,
eventually fell back upon each other forming retaining angles and
stayed uplifted
. In prior millions of years, the still pliable
rocks then collapsed into holes opened below. (Some of the upthrust
rock strata found at the tops of mountains were from the original
deep granite, which has been misread by orthodox geology to assume
that mountains were formed millions of years past. This is different
than the granite boulders found atop mountains that had been carried
there by the waves of the last south moving magnetic cataclysm
depositing them on the mountainless plains of the United States,
before the mountains were uplifted, according to Churchward. Another
story to be retold later about the "mythical ice
age.")

  The

laterally driven gases continued burrowing on laterally, raised the
rocks above into mountain ranges, until a weak spot above was found
and the gases could move upward, forcing up a cone to empty into the
atmosphere. Once a crater was opened and the belt's gases emptied,
the mountain range uplifting ended above that belt. The volcano
became the belt's SAFTEY VALVE for the emptying of future
overcompressed gases being driven along in the deep
belt.

Churchward claimed MOST of earth's mountains and mountain ranges were
uplifted between only between 15,000 and 12,000 years ago. One of his
many proofs that there were NO mountains anywhere on earth prior to
20,000 years past, is that geological evidence indicates NO
mountain vegetation or mountain animal life earlier.
The
geological record shows only Super tropical and tropical SWAMP growth
and SWAMP animal life reaching back toward the Cambrian time. Earth's
cooling was slow and methodical, with never a back step or
speedup.

EARTHQUAKES.

Most Earthquakes, according to Churchward, occur after a gas belt is
emptied. Pressure gone, rocks may fall in from the roofs and sides of
the belts, especially in narrow connecting passages between the belt
chambers, blocking future movements of gases through the belt. When
succeeding volumes of driven gases enter the belt and confront the
block, they either FORCE the block ahead, melting the rocks (one
source of lava), or forge AROUND the block, opening a new lateral
tunnel through nearby chambers. Either way, the great violence
VIBRATES the surrounding rocks in every direction, but especially
directly above. On the surface we experience an EARTHQUAKE. The
gases are clearing a block
. Any residual debris in the belt or a
new small block may also need clearing. On the surface we call these
AFTERSHOCKS.

  __**COAL

BEDS FORMED__ FROM INDIRECT EMPTYING OF GASES.

  Shallow,

but extended chambers under the "endless swamps" that
covered early earth, especially during the carbonic era, had roofs
just above the surface of the waters, They were covered with dense
lush vegetation with fern like trees towering above. When a nearby
(or distant) chamber erupted and blew out, many of them had their
gases INDIRECTLY emptied through fissures connecting them with the
blown out chamber. Their roofs would fall too, but the soil and
vegetation on the roof would be largely undisturbed, settling to the
chamber floor.

  From all

surrounding areas, great waves of water, gathering up all vegetation
(and soil) in their paths, would converge on the INDIRECTLY emptied
hole to fill it. The waves would form a vortex carrying some soil and
clay to the bottom in the center, followed by the mass of carried
vegetation settling on top (already mashed up by the carrying waves).
Most of the pulverized soil carried by the waves temporarily remained
in suspension in the waters. Then it too settled on top of the
vegetable matter to form the SEAL or UPPER CLAY. The weight of
the water above compressed the seal and encased vegetable matter. The
original floor, the lower clay, of the chamber was still connected to
volcanic heat (reaching as much as 3,000 degrees in
temperature).rising with gases through the connecting fissures below.
Through the underclay, volumes of the heat force entered the
compressed vegetable mass. Through SMOTHERED COMBUSTION, the
gases in the vegetable matter were driven out into surrounding rocks
with the heat and the mass left became a coal bed. Succeeding future
uplifts from overcompressed chambers below later raised the entire
area (along with the above first coal bed and rock layers) above
water again for a time forming a new surface and lush vegetable
covering on top, until later, it too crashed below water to form a
second submerged coal bed in the same manner as the first coal bed.
These multiples of coal beds, formed thousands of years apart and one
above the other are most obvious where several of them were upraised
on an angle to form the side of a mountain raised much
later.

From the preceding it is clear that Churchward understood HOW
fossil vegetation became converted to form our coal beds
. But
he never mentioned how OIL came to be
. I've always found this
puzzling and an error of omission on his part NOT to describe the
formation of Oil (from water entering a coal bed, I assumed). Earth's
supplies of gases are INEXHAUSTIBLE. As he described, Earth's
centrifugal force continues to empty the volumes of gases still
remaining stored deep within the crust. Obviously Churchward was
unsure HOW Oil was formed so chose to not write about it
. Had he
known in 1934 when he published his final 2 science books (as we now
know), that Oil deposits have been found BELOW the fossil areas and
even below the Cambrian rocks, he would have realized that SOME of
the gases being worked upward through fissures by Earth's centrifugal
force, combined to form hydrocarbon deposits of Oil
, as well as
combining to form volcanic gases. It seems to me that some of this
forming Oil would collect in deep fissures, or substitute for gases
to "pool" in the many large chambers whose former gases had
been earlier driven out and higher upward by earth's centrifugal
force.

   I do

not know what Gold describes about HOW the pools of Oil are moved
upward to drillable levels, but he seems to think oil somehow
"seeps" upward through fissures to higher levels
. I
take exception to "seeping" as I'm sure Churchward would. I
hope Gold is not like Astronomer Jastrow who thinks CENTRIFUGAL FORCE
is of NO importance in the Cosmos (and on earth) and is probably not
a real force! Earth's very REAL and UNmeasurable inside
centrifugal force is quite capable of driving all liquids in the
crust toward the surface, just as it has with gases.

 **It

seems to me that Dr. Gold's theory that Earth's GASES and OIL are
primordial and "came with" the Earth at its beginning is
supported by James Churchward's description higher up about how earth
was formed.**

And
Churchward's tale in turn is supported by Gold's findings and theory
that gases are primordial - (and that some of those gases also
combined to form huge Oil deposits.)

****It
may not be healthy for us to keep using Oil and Gas but evidently
such deposits in the crust are NOT scarce, but nearly inexhaustible
and the International Oil giants probably are also well aware of it!
No wonder Gold's theory was not given the news it
deserves.

  -

Dick

OIL/GAS primordial. -Thomas Gold
Dick,

Incredible info, incredible.

DD

···

Subject: [allplanets-hollow] OIL/GAS primordial. -Thomas Gold

Dean, Ralph, Norlan, Scott, Frode, Forster and everyone else...

     Some of you may already be aware of the following. But for me it was an eye opener about Thomas Gold's assertion that Earth's OIL and Gas are PRIMORDIAL. Didn't even know the famous Colonel Prouty had a website and was supporting ALTERNATE views on science. **  Prouty's website was among those in that huge collection recently posted by Ralph from Barkayren's site.** Whether this data also supports Cater, Etidorhpa and the HE, I am not certain. It doesn't conflict. **  But it certainly lends credence to Churchward's notion that the enormous volumes of gases within the crust are PRIMORDIAL**  . Yet Churchward apparently was not aware that OIL too was primordial and undoubtedly formed by various gases chemically combining deep in the earth to form the liquid hydrocarbons we call OIL. (See my added comments below following all the text  on the Prouty website). Awaiting comments by the rest of you. - Dick

Norlan and Dino: I thought you both had very good replies to that article. I also found an article saying the Chinese are planning on drilling a couple deep holes. One will be like a telescope in the ground. It is the basic assumption by most people that the farther you go down into the earth the hotter it gets and therefore it would be impossible for people to live there. Thats why they can't fathom the idea of a Hollow Earth. My own brother-in -Law is a Science teacher and we have squabbles about this all the time. I think he is very narrow minded. I present him with evidence and books of the hollow earth and all I get is arguments. He won't even take time to buy a book in let alone read one. We have really only scratched the surface of the earth and we have all these experts out there wanting to shoot down the hollow earth theory. The Bright Spot story of a water reservoir 9 miles deep under Georgia may change some ideas on this theory. This is deeper than any hole drilled by man and they say there may be water where it should be impossible to exist. From: Ralph

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
[email protected]

To: [email protected]

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:05 AM

Subject: Re: [allplanets-hollow] Deepest Holesa

Dean,
The information shared by UFOMAN on the description of the geological model
of the earth's cosmogony was an interesting review. I have discussed the
assumptions of the adherants of this concept at many levels for several
years. I have confronted the establishment of academia, as in the dean of
the Physics Department at M.I.T., as well as enthusiastic recent graduates in
the field of geology, and many in between, both in and out of the field.
They proponents of this model have always left these discussions in a mental
state of semi-frustration to that of extreme frustration.

When these individuals are confronted with the contradictory aspects of their
model, both in physical evidence and in mathematical calculation, they have
no concrete or justifiable answers to these conflicting observations. They
know that the model isn't perfect or absolute, but they claim that,
considering the facts they have at hand, it is the best model we have.

By the way, the model is not primarily determined by seismographic readings,
but more so by the mathematical calculations of the Newtonian Theorists which
require the seismographic readings to be thusly interpreted. Remember, by
Newtonian Law, in the equations which calculate the mass or weight of the
earth, it is required that the earth has to weigh a great deal more than what
the average 5.5 grams per cubic centameter of the outer crust material would
weigh if that average weight were applied to the entire volume of the earth.

This, remember, is the faulty Newtonian equation which misrepresents the
required mass of the earth in order to satify the incorrect equation. Thus,
to both satisfy the Newtonian Theory and its equations, along with keeping
true to the seismographic readings, the interpretation of these readings are
extremely biased in favor of explaining the Newtonian weight of the Earth.

With the Newtonian blunder out of the way, the seismographic readings could
even more readily be interpreted as fitting the Hollow Earth model! It is
the Newtonian requirement of weight that dictates the geological three -layer
model of an Outer Crust, made up of dirt and rocks as we know them, an Inner
Layer of molten lead, which satisfies both its liquid nature and the weight
requirement, and the Central Core of a more solid nature, which has been
theorized to be that of a Titanium or a nickel-iron mixture composition,
which satisfies the solid nature along with the even more additional weight
requirement factor in addition to the impervious-to-heat nature of this solid
mass which would be necessary to remain solid in the midst of the 4000 degree
molten lead. Fanciful, isn't it?

This model explanation satisfies all the major obstacles that Newtonian
Seismographers encounter, much to their own peace of mind and self-assurance,
therefore, ignoring the rediculous and fanciful nature of this extreme model.

Unfortunately, this rediculous explanation has been touted and presented as
truth for so long, that the majority of intellectuals in the world just
accept it as unchallenged fact.

However, with the Newtonian demands factored out of the puzzle, then these
extreme weight interpretations would not be required, and more sensable
explanations could be entertained.

The Hollow Earth model fits the same three-layer observation of the
seismographic readings, and it does so with a much more plausable
explanation. When considering the corrected Newtonian equation, the Hollow
Earth Model is the only explanation that makes any sense! The Outer Core, on
which we reside, remains intact, and it basically provides all the weight
necessary to satisfy the corrected Newtonian equation. The Inner Core still
exists with the properties of liquid as suggested by the seismographic
readings. Since gas, or atmosphere, has the same properties of liquid, only
lighter than water, or indeed, molten lead, then it would read as a liquid in
the seismographic readings. The Central Core would be the central sun, solid
enough in nature to read differently on the seismographic picture, but not
nearly as dense or heavy as the required Titanium or Nickel-Iron composite of
Newtonian Lore.

We have to keep in mind that all the scientific theories of the cosmogony of
the earth have been biased in their need to satisfy Newtonian requirements.
The domino effect has biased the interpretation of most every other
observation that comes along. If a satisfactory explanation can't be
formulated, then the observation just goes ignored. Whether in physics, or
geology, or any of the other pertinent sciences, this Newtonian bias has
blocked the progress of true discovery, as far as the nature of the earth is
concerned. This includes the Hollow Earth Theory as well as soft-particle
physics.

Newton was a brilliant individual. But, he make one slight, yet, tragic
error. That error has detoured the focus of the scientific world for
centuries now.

There may be a divine purpose for this misdirection. It's possible that
Newton was directed in making this mistake intentionally. Perhaps it has
allowed for a Utopian Culture to exist in conjuction with that of a much more
aggressive exterior culture. In this Utopian society, perhaps greater
discoveries and talents were allowed to be developed without the interferance
of greedy, conspiring men, who would have monoplized these discoveries at all
costs, and would have distorted the use of these powers and discoveries for
the purpose of greed, power, and control, which typifies the nature of man on
the surface of the earth.

However, with this Utopian Society being well-established, and with the
intellect of mankind on the surface of the earth reaching the crossroads
between truth and tradition, perhaps it's time that these two cultures
combine. It's appears that the Utopian Society is aware of us here on the
surface of the earth, so, perhaps, it's up to us Hollow Earthers to introduce
the rest of the world to the possibility of the existance of this Utopian
Society, with all their wonders and advancements, and this might help to
prepare surface mankind for the adjustments in our society that will be
necessary to co-mingle with the nature of their society.

Something to think about.

Norlan
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