Re: [allplanets-hollow] Ch.3 Cater-Tides-
Gravity
Frode...
Thanks for the HOLOSCIENCE URL in your Email
below (replying to Scott). Frode, that is a FIRST RATE website!
You've really contributed an excellent source of startling new
information. Thank you again.
Have read all on the Holoscience website (and
am printing off same - slowly, lot of images with the text - for
later re-reading). Suggest everyone also read, whether they agree or
not with the material presented.
Certainly the website presents probable
evidence (agreeing with my own view) that "Black Holes" are more
fiction that real. A celestial body generating and radiating outward
un-measurably enormous electromagnetic gravitational forces that are
so powerful they apparently reach and control the rotation and orbits
of countless millions of "distant" other stars, may well appear
'black," dark and "invisible" to vision. Specialized rays
carrying the Light Forces it generates to illuminate its own body and
atmosphere, may be incapable of escaping outward into space against
the overall gravitational "pull" of that gigantic body. Shrouded
by a "veil" of darkness, such a body (and others like it) may
forever remain invisible to our sight.
Many "scientists" have currently come to
agree with the idea that over 90% of the elements, rays and Forces in
the universe are "dark" and invisible to sight. Unseen and
undetectable by our cleverest instruments. So too with LOCATIONS in
space that emit magnetic "pull" but appear invisible. I enjoy
science fiction, but to presume such bodies are "black holes" are
magnetic-vortexes, centripetally sucking inward every piece of matter
around them and compressing all "sucked" into some dimensionless
"inside" point (or spit out into a different "universe" space
as in StarTrek?) lacks any so far presented "evidence." Just a
neat science fiction concept, in my opinion. Its seems the REVERSE of
the idiotic Big Bang theory; that everything in existence, including
"space" itself, originated from a "no-thing," a postulated
"point" when NOthing else existed!
Consider what the Big Bang believers have
presented us. A great many of such "scientists" think themselves
to be atheists and agnostics (possibly most)...
Yet with the Big Bang fiction, (ALL coming
from a no-thing point), they really suggest (even if they haven't
admitted it to their own minds) that a conscious, thinking CREATOR of
some sort, a "Supreme Beingness," has "pointed" to an
arbitrary point (in non-space) and commanded that from that point be
"exploded" and created outward a complete "physical"
universe, space and time, etc!
Incredible! Without admitting so to
themselves, they seem to me to be far more "believers" in the
existence of "God" or a Supreme Being, than many millions of
orthodox church-going people who consciously profess belief in a
Supreme Being.
The Holoscience website idea that there is (some)
INSTANTANEOUS "movement" across space (that is certainly faster
than Einstein's old "speed of light" theory!) also appeals to me.
Is it also possible that some of the "distant" events we perceive
happening countless distances away are happening real-time NOW, not
billions of light years in the "past?" That may or may not be so.
But space and "distances" may NOT be as as they seem... \
My own past experience as a Scientologist in the
1950s (I quit in the 60s), suggested that the physical universe
itself - matter, space and time - was a creative (and enjoyable) 3
dimensional, "solid" to our senses, ILLUSION (a "mockup} that
ALL individual beings in this universe collectively, in sub-conscious
agreement, with all others, were simultaneously creating and
re-creating, instant by instant.
Of course this implies that we countless individual
beings exist "within" an even "larger" or greater conscious
Beingness that invented both "us" and the universe we perceive.
Those of you like Dean, conversant with other similar concepts, know
Scientology (L. Ron Hubbard) was not alone or even original in
looking at the physical universe as an illusory "solid." But it
is obviously all we have to play with, so we have to use the
agreed-upon natural laws that make it function. The Holoscience
people, Cater, Lamprecht and others - partly in disagreement with
many current orthodox scientific notions - appear to have a
better grasp on some of the correct, natural laws controlling THIS
particular physical universe illusion, which is OURS to mutually
enjoy and experience.
Following is some support of website authors
Thornhill and Talbott's "So What?" website conclusion that:
"The visible universe is static and much smaller than we
thought"...
Decades back two University of Arizona
mathematicians proved that Einstein's mathematical conclusions were
wrong about the apparent SIZE of the universe. Using the same figures
as Einstein, they found the universe was actually about HALF the size
that Einstein calculated. Einstein was mistaken. For several
days,their astounding pronouncement and evidence was front-page,
headline news in newspapers across the world and on our early TV
network news.
Then came the barrage of Einstein fans in academia,
attacking the U of A mathematicians. No solid attacks on their WORK,
just personal, nasty, scathing belittling ridicule of the two men
personally. "How dare they question the great Einstein!"
was most of what I read and heard stated by the attackers. I followed
the entire story at that time. Within a few days later, the
entire story was dropped and forgotten by the media and academia. I
am not sure, but I think those two mathematicians are long gone from
the University of Arizona. I'd lay odds they never received tenure.
Not a word has since been publicly reported about them (so far as I
am aware) or any acknowledgement that Einstein had made a truly
COLLOSAL error (still accepted in academia?)
But whether Einstein, the mathematicians or
Thornhill and Talbott were or are correct about the SIZE of the
visible universe, seems questionable to me. The size extent of our
spacial universe may be ENDLESS and unlimited. What could possibly
limit it to a
"size?"
Frode, so far, along with the just preceding, only
a few personal disagreements with Thornhill and Talbott's concluding
"So What?" assertions on the Holoscience website (presumably
their own views)...
They are: * "Almost all planetary craters are
electric arc scars..."and * "Space has no extra
dimensions... where parallel universes may exist." I think those
assertions they've made, are subject to some correction. Many
(perhaps most) craters are volcanically caused. Possibly some are
also electrically caused.
Thornhill and Talbott's contention that the
universe is created and maintained by Electrical Forces is obviously
true. But they have left out "WHO" or "WHAT" created those
electrical forces...
Those forces clearly have been QUALIFIED with
specific, special MOTIVES.
They carry out specific but multitudinous tasks in
the functioning of our universe, from the tiniest atomic particle to
the largest sun. Aside from the science fiction excitement hopes of
some of our current "scientists," most (or all) stars and
their satellites do NOT crash into each other. Those electrical
forces controlling the uncountable visible bodies revolving in space
and revolving the tiniest particles within atoms, carry out their
assigned duties in nature, in delicate cooperation with each other
having different duties. Clearly there is no CHAOS. Even perceiving
this amazing wonder, some of our fellows continue to think the
universe only some mechanistic accident. Poor thinking.
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Frode's original Email follows...
Scott,
Before we go on with Cater and tides let
us take a look at black holes.
I have suggested earlier that black
holes does not exist in reality. They have not been observed
directly, only assumed to be observed indirectly. I have also claimed
that there are better explanations for this observations.
The text below is taken from:
http://www.holoscience.com
For more than 10 years plasma physicists
have had an electrical model of galaxies. It works with real-world
physics. The model is able to successfully account for the observed
shapes and dynamics of galaxies without recourse to invisible dark
matter and central black holes. It explains simply the powerful
electric jets seen issuing along the spin axis from the cores of
active galaxies. Recent results from mapping the magnetic field of a
spiral galaxy confirm the electric model.
On the other hand, cosmologists cannot
explain why spiral shapes are so common and they have only ad-hoc
explanations for galactic magnetic fields. More recently,
inter-galactic magnetic fields have been discovered which is the
final straw to break the camel's back.
Incredible gravitational models involving invisible "black
holes" have had to be invented in a desperate attempt to explain
how the attractive force of gravity can result in matter being
ejected in a narrow jet at relativistic speeds.
Why do we accept such science fiction as
fact when an Electric Universe predicts spiral shapes, magnetic
fields and jets? The cosmic magnetic fields simply delineate the
electric currents that create, move and light the
galaxies.
What do you think?
Can you give me some good reasons to why I should reconsider black
holes as real. I have more info on plasma interactions vs the
existence of black holes if you are interested. But I will not use
time on that if you are not genuinely interested in reconsidering
your view on black holes. I want a win/win exchange or no exchange at
all. I have a lot to learn, and as long as our exchange provide me
and you with a wider understanding of reality then it is of value for
us both.
Frode
